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Used to be way lower, but lately I'm never under 3k. Depending on the goal usually 3-4,000kcal
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Get in a small surplus and focus on progressing #'s in the gym to "clean bulk". When all goes correctly you don't gain fat that others will notice, and then it's easy to lean down again. The trick is to go slow. Once you have it down, you always have "abs" - it's just a varying degree of how visible and deep they are.
