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I forgot to address life expectancy Alyssa, sorry. Paleolithic life expectancy is quoted as 33 years, however a lot of that is due to infant mortality rate being disgustingly high. And for adults, death was not postulated to be due to chronic disease (there really isn't room for a long slow death), but rather a violent…

Correct, I don't have evidence in the form of a big RCT, and that's why I share rather than preach. And I'm perfectly open to the possibility of being totally wrong. However, I do have scattered collection of all sorts of small trials (and some big trials) and anecdotes and journal articles that add up to a big picture FOR…

I look at it a bit differently. Again, my beliefs and my beliefs only: The hominid lineage has been around for 2.5 million years. Over that time, we grew to dominating that food chain. The two main selection pressures (starvation and predator danger) dictated that we had to be at our absolute best, not just in peak…

I cannot tell you what exactly it is that happened, and truthfully, the means doesn't interest me that much. But the end does! Either way, I'm just sharing what I've done b/c I like results, but I like achieving them with the least amount of suffering and the most amount of enjoyment. For me, that's what happened.

Sorry, I probably just posted right as you were posting. see above (ie, I can't draw a hard line between what is junk and what isn't).

On the other thread I explained that for me, I don't have a definition of junk food and health food, but I look at food as a spectrum. I'll just give a quick run down of where I come from in case anyone is curious I do like to try to eat MORE ALONG THE LINES OF what our bodies "expect" according to a long evolutionary…

I'm not saying that CICO doesn't matter. Just getting that out of the way. However, I don't pay any attention to calories. I don't count them. I don't weigh my food. I just changed the types of food that I eat. But I've gone from 200 to 150 lbs with a really big increase in strength (which has nothing to do with the eating…

Lemurcat wanted to talk about our disagreement regarding junk food and its effect on health.

You're joking, but you also make a good point. Debating ANYTHING is horrible for our health if it stresses us out and we take things personally. It just takes one or two toxic relationships to figure that one out.

Well then what the hell are we still doing here? Let's go!

Sure. Where is Debate?

Lemurcat: Sure, what do you want to discuss about it? P.S. Can someone please show me how I quote a previous post but not include all the posts (ie just include the sentence that I want to)? I can't seem to get that right.

That last paragraph I think is a very fair point. Regarding the 100 calories of lard... I may have been guilty of eating that straight at one point... it was borderline oversatiating. Last week, I had kale fried in a good amount of bacon fat and then added the bacon in pieces. It was ludicrously delicious, but I felt so…

It just occurred to me that maybe you may have been referring to the creamer topic of OPs post. re: actual topic of disagreement. (ie, you want me to stop taking this thread for a ride).

Sure. I'm bouncing back and forth between work stuff and posts are long. Just to clarify, this is the disagreement you want to address?: "and I agree that if you are claiming that eating any junk food (which I define as high cal and low nutrient) is bad for us, even within a calorie-appropriate and good overall diet with…

Forget the creamer. We're off that topic and lets just stay that way. Point one: I addressed this in a previous post, we will all have definitions of junk food. I have my own criteria which consist of details that would derail the convo a bit. For me, "interfered with by man" and "junk food" are a rough approximate to…

Ok, I'll try to reclarify: My "background" of perceived difference refers to my viewing junk food as "actively negative" in addition to the excess calories and dearth of nutrition. That's it. I absolutely did not mean to imply that any, and I mean any, of the posters I was interacting with were not concerned about health.…

Absolutely agree. I just posted on the subject of results and adherence, but you beat me to it. I'll cheer anybody on who is pumped about how their changes have worked for them. I just think that along the way to that place, opinions may vary (sometimes strongly), and that's probably because of our own individual learning…

Stevencloser and J72FIT, the other point I want to bring up is that I used the phrase "living on junk food" with a negative connotation in my original post, and and I think that is far different from the idea expressed by J72FIT and lemurcat's phrase of "fitting in junk food/including junk food" in a diet. On other words,…

Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying. Short answer - I honestly can't know for sure what happens or doesn't happen in regards to this. Longer answer - I tend to think that man isn't very good at outsmarting nature. So I tend to prefer foods that have been "less interfered with" by man. As a general (but not absolute) rule, I think…

I'm not sure I understand your question, can you please elaborate?

I agree with this sentence except for the words "it does not matter".

Correct observation. So I guess this case is closed unless there is someone who agrees that: "I too know guys who are absolutely shredded that pretty much live on junk food. Not my kind of thing mind you... I'd rather have my insides be in as good as or better condition than my outsides." = "you claimed those of us saying…

You wrote: "What I found annoying, as I said, was that you claimed those of us saying calories are equal don't care about our insides" Did I say this? Or did you interpret it that way? Since this is annoying you, I'd suggest you rewind the tape and verify what it is exactly that I wrote.

I admit, I don't weigh anything (but I also don't count or pay attention to calories). However, a friend of mine literally weighs everything and keeps track of his calories and it works wonders for him. He swears by it. We've both pretty much started and ended in the same place body composition wise.

Cook any (preferrably naturally raised) meat and (preferrably) wild fish in ghee. Butter is fine too. Shellfish take well to coconut oil. Pretty much all veggies taste good covered in ghee, salt and pepper. Wild berries have a great antioxidant:glycemic ratio. For cooking, certain spice combinations are your friend. I find…

If someone's opinion is different than yours, you find that annoying? Your opinion is different than mine, and I don't find myself annoyed by that. I always thought that if one is comfortable in their knowledge, hearing a difference of opinion should open the mind and peak curiosity, not elicit negative emotions.

Ok, fair enough. I wasn't just talking about muscle tissue as crucial tissue (internal organs are more important to me), but you made your point that he's not physically incapacitated that's for sure. I too know guys who are absolutely shredded that pretty much live on junk food. Not my kind of thing mind you... I'd rather…

Yes, agreed. There are many ways to weight loss. Including genetics. I think we all know a string bean that pigs out day and night and just gets leaner. Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to the whole health picture when I asked about results. That includes weight, but I also include management of…

I think that's one explanation yes. It's one that addresses the issue of quantity (re: food and movement). But I think quality also plays a role. Maybe a big role. I'm referring to foods that are more in line with what our body expect - whole foods vs "created" foods. That profile has changed over time. I'm also referring…