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Well for one thing you completely omitted the context for those statements, and I was talking to two different people about two different things. But regardless, these statements do not contradict each other. "Bigger deficit = faster weight loss." This is a factual statement, not an opinion, not a value judgement. It is…

It is not my problem that you failed to read the earlier posts before jumping into the thread. If you are a competitive athlete, then feel free to ignore my suggestions, since they were not directed toward you in the first place. There, you are off the hook, you can quit arguing now.

You are correct, a higher deficit is not always good. That is a fair point, which I just addressed in the previous post, but the short version is, we are not talking about a larger deficit so much as the approach to reaching the same deficit. As you get closer to your goal, you should adjust your goals and setting, if you…

Let me try it from another angle, pull everything together in one spot and (hopefully) clarify, but this is going to be the last shot, as I am tired of repeating myself. I am talking about an average person trying to lose weight, not body builders, high performance athletes, people with a very low body fat, people training…

The problem here is, I am here to discuss, and you are here to argue. These quotes are from two separate examples, so let's address them in turn. a) If you exercise in a fasted state, you will run a higher calorie deficit. If you disagree with this statement, which part do you disagree with? b) <taken from earlier in the…

You are correct, but it was not intended as a blanket statement, it was intended as an example to illustrate a point. I am simply noting the fact that it can be done, is not necessarily a recommendation that everyone to do it that way. Apparently that distinction needs to be spelled out with this crowd. You guys love to…

I added some more info to clarify, but you had already jumped ahead into argument mode. For all I know, you could be a midget who is already at ideal weight and 10% body fat, and 500 calories is absolutely perfect for you. There is no way to reach the conclusion you jumped to on my behalf based on the information presented.

It would depend on a lot of factors (I have no idea what your BMR and dietary deficit is), but assuming your goal is to lose weight and you are not already at a very low body fat you could, strictly speaking, do all that exercise completely fasted if you so desired. I would not recommend it, but you could, it is not like…

Yes, clearly. You only half-sabotaged yourself and still hit your goal. Congrats.

If you run a marathon on day #2 with no prep, then whatever they feed you in the hospital should be just fine.

Yes, once again I understand how MFP works, but just because MFP uses it does not make it the best way. You are obviously locked into your dogma and do not care about learning a better method. That is fine, by all means you do you! If you want to sabatoge your own weight loss by eating back your exercise calories, that is…

Keep reading and come back when you are caught up on the rest of the thread.

My argument was already in favor of a reasonable deficit, you read more into it and then promptly started arguing with yourself based on what you thought I said. The point of that example was to show that there is more than one way to end up at the same calorie deficit and it will not necessarily result in some kind of…

<Sigh> I originally had this in the previous post, but took it out because it was getting too lengthy, turns out I should have left it in after all. Let's compare both approaches with the same deficit goal in mind: If you set an aggressive dietary deficit of 500 calories, and exercise for an additional 250 calories, then…

No, that is not my standpoint at all. Try to follow along with what I am actually saying, instead of putting words in my mouth. I am saying that unless you already have a very low body fat you do not need eat your exercise calories to "fuel" your workout. Since I apparently need to state the obvious, if you are overweight,…

There is nothing here that supports the notion that you have to "eat back your exercise calories". Does your body need protein for muscle repair and growth? Sure, but again even if you are fasting it is not like your muscles are going to suddenly waste away unless you are already extremely low on body fat because muscle…

Sorry you two, but that is just plain wrong. Even if you are fasting and eating nothing at all while training, muscle tissue is highly conserved. Meaning that muscle mass is the just about the last thing to go and one of the first things repaired. Your body simply does not burn muscles for fuel unless you are starving...…

Thank you, but I already fully understand "how it works". What I am saying is that "how it works" is somewhat counterproductive if your goal is to lose weight as quickly as possible. Bigger deficit = faster weight loss. Thus, it is better to let your exercise calories create a slightly bigger calorie deficit (in addition…

Most people suck at estimating portion sizes. We also suck at remembering all the things we eat. So if you are not measuring your portions and logging your food, then you pretty much have no real idea how many calories you are eating on a given day. You cannot exercise your way past a bad diet. If you are a high…

Or you could, you know, eat the Standard American Diet (SAD); be obese and bloated until either the diabetes or the heart disease kills you. Your choice, but I personally would rather take the minor inconvenience of having to manage my electrolytes over the well documented negative health effects of SAD any day. The keto…

No, that is not what I said at all. I am not sure how you managed to get off track, so let me try again. I was making two points: First, I was stating the rather obvious fact that if you eat a calorie dense food, your meal is going to be noticeably smaller in volume for a given amount of calories... because that is what…

Fat has a high calorie density, so if you are used to grazing all day and eating bulky meals to "get full" then you will definitely notice that the portion sizes are smaller. You need to learn how to differentiate between your body telling you that it is no longer hungry (i.e.,satiation) and the sensation of having a "full…

The main thing that causes people to feel bad on keto is electrolytes, especially in the beginning when you are peeing out a lot of water weight. Most of the time you can do this through diet, but iIf you do heavy exercise with a lot of sweating, then you need to supplement electrolytes or you will feel like crap. General…

First and foremost you should understand that Dr. Oz is a f-ing quack who makes money hawking questionable products to gullible people. Numerous studies have shown keto is safe and effective in long term.

The article is highly relevant to the guy asking about experiences losing weight with this specific diet. I am just pointing out that he is not alone in feeling that keto helps him with satiety. Your personal mileage may vary. The serving size on nuts is really small if you want to avoid over-eating, even if they are…

Actually, satiety is widely regarded to be one of the primary benefits of keto. https://ketogenic.com/nutrition/will-hungry-ketogenic-diet/ https://itsthesatiety.com/tag/ketogenic-diet/ It certainly has been my experience, and it has been clinically shown as well. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18175736

I have been doing keto off and on since before everyone called it "keto". I will generally go strict keto (<25g carbs per day most of the month) for a couple of months and then loosen up a little bit (~50g carbs per day with an occasional cheat day with +100 carbs) until I start to gain weight and then restrict carbs again…

Low carb all the way. While a deficit is important like most everyone has been parroting, it is more difficult to burn fat if your blood sugar, and thus insulin is elevated. Thus restricting carbs is very important to any kind of diet plan. Your body is always going to burn dietary carbs and muscle glycogen first. So even…