SteveJWatson Member

I used to play in the forwards, but since I cut down I have been being put on the wing/inside centre which is flattering. :laugh: Rugby training is all match play/set piece/skill type training, so is not always that intense. Training will stop in April - there will be some fitness based work in the summer..

Just for "balance" - I started losing way before MFP - went from 17st 8 to 11st 10, drinking every Friday and sometimes Saturday too. It can be done, just allow for you drink calories. That said, 2000Cals/day is a pretty drastic cut for me.

Thankyou, Americans for another valuable insight into your culture.

That is not what a 'clean' bulk is - a 'clean' bulk is eating 500-700 or so cals above maintenance, which maximises the ratio of muscle to fat gain in a bulk. A 'dirty' bulk is just shoving everything in your face and accepting that you will gain more quickly, but gain more fat. Neither has anything to do with supposed…

Or just eat some cake. Cake is tastier.

TDEE is what you need to eat (approximately - it is an estimate) to maintain your weight. To bulk you need to eat at least 500 calories more than that per day.

Er....the OP wants to gain, you won't do that on a 20% cut......

I'd agree, except the protein bit - keep your intake at 1-1.5g/lb lean bogy mass and carb up.

We ate a lot of seafood... Does paleo contain a significant proportion of shellfish?

Of course my wife makes more money than me - how do you think I manage to keep farming? :tongue:

I hadn't realised you were supposed to submit photos of your *kitten* with the calculations..... :bigsmile:

Ah, ok. I had no mental problems whatsoever with going up to 2400 after a 1900 cut - possibly because 1900 was too heavy a cut for me and I'd started to feel washed out (I hadn't actually attributed it to my cut, more to it being January). A day after moving up to 2400 I felt fuller and had more energy - I instantly gained…

I did a couple - as high as 16% which I am blatantly not and as low as 12%. I suppose if I had taken the average.....

Whats the reasoning behind this? I have just finished a cut and jumped up to where I suppose maintenance should be (and it seems I'm more or less right...)

Thanks! Thats about what I thought. Damn online calculators are misleading....

No hurry - I have already decided to move to maintenance pre-bulk because I'm too light for a Rugby player, whatever my BF% is - this is just for 'academic' purposes. I have set myself 2400 to maintain, but 'end of cut fever' has meant I am eating more like 2700 and the scale hasn't gone anywhere (other than an initial 2lb…

Ah, they tried to reverse mine (some 10 years after my initial op) but couldn't - the 'hole' is where my stoma used to be, they swapped sides cos of my hernia. I can literally tuck the loose skin into my belt. I'm hoping it will tighten over time, even when I'm bulking it wont be pushed out...

1-1.5g protein per lb of LBM (use an online calculator to find this out), 0.5g per lb LBM fat - the rest carbs. Some people like a bit more protein than that, find what works for you. You want to try and eat 500 cals over your TDEE to begin with. This is known as a 'clean' bulk, because people think it optimises the muscle…

Was I supposed to PM too? I just stuck em up and assumed someone would notice sooner or later.....

No, its made from durum wheat- unless the 'gluten free' one is made differently....

Cous-cous is semolina (ie grains of durum wheat), which is the stuff that they grind into flour to make pasta. It is not 'pasta' in the same way that wheat is not bread. Edited to add: Just googled it and it seems it can be made of other stuff too.... Still, no reason not to eat it.

Odd - now that I'm at the end of my cut I notice my 'power' dropping off...like I can catch someoene but its a real effort to then tackle them... Hopefully bulking will get my speed and power back to where they were.

Ok.....deeply unflattering photos ahoy. I reckon your guess on here will be as good as anyones - I have had two major surgeries on my stomach, both times involving a laperotomy. Where the 'hole' now is, my stoma used to be and it had a hernia behind it for some time, hence all the loose skin. You can literally pull at the…

Tom Croft and James Haskell, however are massive (compared to most people). They seem to have low bf%ages (although it is possible they cut for promotional photos) for Rugby players though. I had thought about 14-16% (depending what position you play) was optimal because...tacking.

Mate, he's 6'4" and 240lbs....

Tom Croft is from the same village as me (that I grew up in, not where I live now) - saw him over christmas. He manages to get through a lot of cardio too and is smaller than Haskell, but compred to most, normal people he is a giant.

Beer. Beer. Cheese and bread/crackers then Beer.

We are clearly different! I load a couple trailer loads of bales (I use small bales, so would be by hand). I hungry I gather (well, the dog does mostly) and dose a couple of hundred sheep. I hungry. I shift a few miles of electric fencing. I hungry. I mow the lawn - I reckon I deserve a pint in the sunshine.... :drinker:

Eat a tin of tuna?

Good topic! This is interesting to be because my life is essentially steady state cardio (am a livestock farmer) and as well as my lifting I also play rugby (1 or 2 80min training sessions/week and a match (another 80) on Saturday) and will be looking to bulk soon. Looks like I should be eating a load when I do.