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You may be right, but I'm not aware that I have backtracked. My experience of the simply cico crowd in threads on myfitnesspal has been to just blast people who are not losing weight as kidding themselves about how many calories they are eating or how much exercise they are actually doing. I think that's too simplistic,…

I guess the difference with us then is that I was just as active before with my personal trainer than I was after.

I was hoping the flippant nature of my comment was apparent, as I was responding as seriously as I took the posters comments. Responding in kind. I'm sure there are very intelligent, thoughtful people here.

Why do you want to try and catch me out instead of assuming the best first? Really sad. The book is encyclopaedic. I have dipped into and scanned all sections very lightly, but I'm reading in detail from the beginning. I can't comment intelligibly on things I've quickly scanned to get a rough idea of what's in each…

Thanks, yes I agree with that. Posters have wanted to polarise the discussion between cico and non-cico. I don't subscribe to that. I have said that it's not 'just' cico in the sense that if your not losing weight it's not always because you are eating more than you think, or burning less than you think (not working out as…

The best idea I've read so far in this thread

I choose to take that as a complement, so I guess you mean the type of person who thinks instead of hiding behind false certainty, lol

I don't think I've back tracked at all. Can you point it out to me?

You have read it?

The book is massive and I'm a slow reader. Im not cherry picking, it will just take me a while to finish it. Thanks for the encouragement.

Whether it is a human construct, and whether your pitting science against a straw man of toxicity, are valid depends on your epistemology and the nature of reality. I presume you can't prove that we are not right now living in the Matrix. And that being the case, your basing your opinions on unprovable assumptions. And…

I also can't answer many questions on astro physics, though I could have a good Stab at the meaning of life. However, Astrophysics and toxins were not issues that u raised.

I'm in danger of oft repeating myself. I haven't finished the book, and haven't paid huge attention to the toxin issues that I have read as it wasn't a major point of interest for me. I shared about the information regarding depression. I didn't even bring up the toxin issue.

You could ask the OP lol! As I said in my original post I am reading it now, I haven't finished it. I repeated this in another recent post.

I understand where you are coming from. It's not my intention to be 100% certain about this book, I'm definitely not. I shared my personal experience and what I found helpful. I am doubtful that weight loss is purely tracking calories consumed and burned, with a deficit. Of course it's the bedrock, but I'm not convinced…

Please read my original post to see what I personally found helpful. In terms of the toxin thing, the only thing I recall reading (I haven't finished it) is that toxins are / can be held up in fat cells and when we lose weight too quickly we can overload our liver with dealing with the toxins that are released. My recall…

Nice quote, who said it?

I know the pope is not held as omniscient I was exaggerating - but only just! He can speak infallibly, so he can create his own absolute truth for his followers. I guess that's the next best thing to being omniscient.

I'm not sure I want to do the work to try and give those answers as the toxin issue is not something I raised or am overly interested in. Perhaps it's something you could research more?

Correct. The reason being that I never set out to prove such things. I've recommended the book, gave a personal example of how it has helped me. I baulk at ignorant certainty and so challenge it. I applaud openness and wanting to discover more, and having some level of self doubt. That's how progress, discovery, and…

Now these are intelligent, sensible, and reasonable questions. Much better than the iron clad certainty otherwise demonstrated here, without asking such questions. Bravo.

That doesn't seem to stop all the non-scientists here being absolutely certain about their understanding of nutritional science - with no room for self doubt. lol

Be straight with people. Tell them it's not helpful.

I had this problem. What worked for me was not eating late at night, drinking water with alkalising salts in, and avoiding flour.

If I was being self righteously judgmental I would not have said that I do it too. It was an observation about human nature.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell

Yo so you are so familiar with all the evidence that you can say off the cough there isn't any. Impressive. When the pope dies, you could be a candidate to take his place. (I would look at the evidence Phil Richards presents first though, just in case your not omniscient.)

Silly misrepresentation. Find out what he is saying and then give evidence to the contrary if you can.

That would put me in casualty!

I'm not sure who your trying to convince. I'm sure everyone agrees with you. But that's different to saying it's simply a matter of tracking the calories you eat and the ones you burn and making sure your in a deficit. That is contestable.