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The TWIV folks said on a recent episode that they do believe at some point everyone will have gotten covid, and just like with the flu, an unfortunate number of high risk people will die from it every year. The key is to get a much larger percentage of the population vaxxed, so that even the people spreading it will be…

This is one of the major points media reports of studies and papers are missing. No one is running around with antibodies to all the vaccines and viruses they've ever been exposed to. It is perfectly normal for antibody presence to wain.the key is that your body now knows how to quickly produce more the next time the virus…

When I lived in NY, I had never eaten okra or even seen fresh okra in the supermarket. One day I saw a bag of frozen sliced okra and decided to give it a try. Not knowing what to do with it, I just put some in a bowl and microwaved it. :disappointed: What came out was a bowl of rubber green slices in a puddle of snot. I…

Aaaah, thanks for the clarification.

From what ive been reading on the CDC website, many childhood vaccine viruses first were endemic, but vaccinated people did not get sick, and so they were eventually eliminated once there were simply not enough hosts without a strong enough immune response to harbor and shed the virus enough for the virus to survive.…

Interestingly, it seems at least in my limited exposure to the field, that many of the specialists currently all in on covid-19 were previously focused on HIV. Not sure if their is something the two viruses have in common or just the sudden global need for rapid answers. Now that I think about it, I may have heard that the…

I "think" the issue is that the declining efficacy is anecdotal. Public health officials have to run with anecdotal because they don't have the luxury of waiting for verified data. But the declining efficacy has to be caused by something, and the point of a vaccine is antibodies, and I guess the press at least has linked…

So in the latest TWIV they interviewed Paul Bieniasz and Theodora Hatziiouannou, virologists who are renowned for working on HIV but obviously right now are focused on covid. This one was really fascinating and I'll probably listen to it again because it was more conversational and I def missed some stuff. Anyway... They…

Yep, not putting restrictions on businesses doesn't really help the economy, between people choosing on their own to minimize their risk and employees getting sick, leading to work stoppages, and at least some of them ending up dead or with chronic health conditions that cause more permanent employee shortages. I'm pretty…

Agreed. I think it's really easy to forget in this situation that all anyone is getting right now (including the CDC) is unreviewed data reports and pre-print papers. But public health officials can't wait on the science to be reviewed and confirmed, they have to look at what they have and do their best, and probably err…

That's a good point. Maybe it's the way it's asked, or just that uninsured people are already jumpy about getting stuck with a bill and even an innocent question scares them away and starts the rumor mill up!

Remember that each report that comes out is not yet peer reviewed like we normally expect them to be. While the numbers coming out of Israel suggest a drop off, data coming from other countries is very different. The difficulty for public health officials is they know the data can be misleading but they can't wait til it's…

Yep. No matter how careful I am picking topics when I visit my parents, there is nothing that can't be tied into the conspiracy. And they will ask me questions about something they heard about the virus, and they seem to be listening and agreeing with me. And then one of them will go, "it's hard for people to trust what…

This is a good point, I'd guess lots of modern children live much more sanitized lives than even 20 or 30 yrs ago. Maybe they're already starting at a deficit.

That's interesting. The TWIV virologists said that we don't realize how many bugs we come in contact with, even just in our homes, and unless you've been in a hermetically sealed bubble, the typical pandemic stay-at-home would not make an appreciable difference to your immune system. But perhaps they were talking about…

To get that 25%, are you assuming the 459 people who tested positive were the only people at the event? If 5000 people were there, and let's say 90% of them were vaccinated, that's 4500 vaccinated people. I'm gonna round numbers, so say 350 (rounding up 75% of 450 total infected) of those vaxxed people were infected.…

The media focused on the case because it was dramatic and easy to make it sound scary. The CDC focused on it because it was an outlier and they wanted to understand it. The report says that 69% of the folks who tested positive were vaxxed. It says nothing about how many vaxxed (or unvaxxed) people tested negative. There…

But you're using the whole state's percentage and assuming it's the rate for this one town's event and drawing a very specific conclusion. That's not how percentages or statistics work. Which is probably why no public health officials or researchers (including the CDC report) came to the conclusion you did. They found it…

I know, that's why I said it wasn't directed at you. Personally, I would not take ivermectin, but I'm sure you've done due diligence on the risk/reward. And I hope your plan works :smile:

Again, the 69% is for the entire state, not for the attendees of these events in this one town. The 69% and 74% have nothing to do with each other and comparing them statistically means absolutely nothing. It never meant vaccination increases your risk tif infection, regardless of how data was collected. I believe the…

@lokihen thanks for the link! My response is not directed at you, just what pops into my head as I read that report. I'm fascinated by the fact that the same people who won't take a vaccine that's been fully trialed because "they don't know what's in it" and "there isn't enough data yet", would instead take a…

They also discussed this report on the Barnstable outbreak: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm They said there is a lot of info that simply wasn't collected that limits the conclusions you can draw. But what jumped out to them was that only 1% of known vaxxed attendees required hospitalization with 0 deaths. Also…

I was listening to TWIV and they feel confident that the FDA will give Pfizer full approval soon, hopefully by Labor Day. At that point, they expect military mandates as well as others which will jack up the vaxxed percentage. They also think an extension of the approved age range down to 6 yrs old will come shortly after…

Some of you are trying hard to get this thread closed :grimace: :tongue: I'm relying on bourbon, but that's probably not good advice.

It's not that your statistics are wrong, it's that they are incomplete and you're misinterpreting them. It's that you're drawing conclusions at all in fact - you don't have anywhere near enough variables defined to draw a conclusion. You can't use the percentage vaccinated in the entire state to compare to how many of the…

Interesting, thanks. I know the TWIV folks are skeptical of vaccinated people being just as infectious as unvaxxed but don't seem really clear yet on why if they are carrying as much virus in the nose, so obviously there's still a lot they have to learn about this thing!