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I'm honestly not *worried*. I'm confused. Not just with weight. There are many health issues I have trouble wading through. For instance I have a chronic health issue that's fairly mild but annoying. Regular doctors have shrugged it off as nothing they can do. Naturopathic doctors have suggested eliminating gluten and…

I'm not talking about health reasons here, I thought we were talking about low carb being better for *weight loss* in insulin resistant patients. If peanut butter made it harder for allergic people to lose weight, I would question the process by which it happens too. (actually there's a slew of people online swearing up…

Goodness. How many times do I need to repeat that I am NOT arguing that CICO as "a basic theory of science" is not correct. Yes, it is always correct just like gravity is always correct. Let's just leave it there. But the conversation here really isn't about debating this. It's about the application of this theory to the…

Again, why are we making this personal? I did not create a thread in the Getting Started forum asking for help or advice. I'm participating in a DEBATE on the DEBATE forum. I'm not personally 'fixated' on any idea; I just have trouble simply dismissing certain theories that seem feasible to me, even though I don't have…

LOL I don't know who Blambo is. But why are you making this personal?? Did I ever say anything about myself? This is a debate forum - not the 'Help Me' forum. I am *debating* the existence of medical issues that could affect weight loss because I'm genuinely curious how they work. If someone could point me to some valid…

See, to me, that's a prime example of why people get discouraged with the concept of losing weight through deficit (notice I'm purposefully not saying 'CICO'). Because personally, I would feel sad for this poor woman, and would want to know WHY - why, at a significant weight, did she have to eat this few calories to lose…

Quite honestly, after having myself experienced and knowing others that experienced a number of health concerns that were completely dismissed and brushed off by doctors simply because they weren't 'horses', I despise this statement. It's all fine to START with the common and work to the uncommon, if you actually do that.…

Not trying to stir the pot! I'm genuinely curious about the role that things like PCOS and insulin resistance play in the weight loss process, because I'm having trouble finding credible information online. If insulin resistant people do better on low carb, why is that? Just because it cuts calories more, or is it…

But I never said that the underlying instructions are flawed. It's just that adhering to them will not always be enough to produce the results they're expected to produce - because of other things that may interfere. Considering the possibility that a part can, in fact, be damaged, is much more helpful than just insisting…

So why would a low carb diet be a good idea for PCOS, and why would having PCOS even matter if it's ALL down to CICO (and low carb only works due to cutting out calories)??

In this analogy, if you just happen to get a box where one of the parts is missing or a board is cracked, you can follow instructions to a T and the shelf still won't hold together properly when you put it up. This is not a problem with the instructions or your execution of them but it's still a problem. And likely you'll…

Yes, but just as gravity does not prevent birds from flying, CICO may not prevent someone in a slight caloric deficit or surplus from losing or gaining weight, because other mechanisms are at work that alter the equation

It doesn't matter what percentage it is. We're debating simply the physiological possibility that these outliers may in fact exist. If even one person like that exists in the world, it means that there is some mechanism by which the calorie burning/ weight loss process does not work as expected. It's not about debating the…

Lol. Thank you for your concern, but I'm really not on the brink of anorexia in any way (and at almost 35 and a mother myself, not quite that young of a woman haha). This is a debate forum on weight loss and fitness, it makes sense that this is what I write about here. I'm a researcher and I read about many, many different…

That's not what I was saying. I didn't even touch the fact that people will have different BMRs, because that can be explained by many factors such as muscle mass, NEAT, etc. I'm suggesting the possibility (suggesting, not stating for a fact), that even for two people of the SAME, say lab-measured RMR, their metabolic…

I'm one of those people who said 'CICO MAY not be the complete picture'. What I was trying to say is not the CICO doesn't work at a base level - it does. But that the weight-loss method of eating at a nutritionally reasonable deficit may not work the same for different people - even if you take, say, two people with the…

It's funny how it's so common to see people like this, yet this forum seems convinced they are unicorns and don't exist :|

Maybe I'm overly gullible. But for some reason I tend to believe it when I read posts like these (this is from a different forum), and I live in terror of something like this happening to me. Is that person just completely lying, on an anonymous forum? Why? I’m one of the unfortunate ones who ate well and was active, and…

Yet when I tried suggesting just that in the CICO thread - not that it 'doesn't work', but that some people's bodies simply rev up or slow down metabolic processes dramatically in response to changes in intake - I was shot down and accused of 'woo'. This paragraph in particular struck me - while it's possible of course…

I'm confused on whether I should try recomp or just try losing another few lbs. I'm 5'4,115 lbs, don't know bf% but visually it's kind of high. I've been trying to lift but incosistently due to childcare issues and constant winter illnesses, and eat around 1200-1500 cal a day though not tracking closely right now. I've…

I was reading an interview with Lyle MacDonald who wrote "The Stubborn Fat Solution" where he was saying that thigh fat in women is particularly stubborn due to the receptors in the fat cells that make them extremely resistant to being mobilized for energy. He said that even female bodybuilders at very low body fat…

Hmm. Perhaps the reason I've always felt my metabolism was on the low side is because you've literally just described me, pretty much all day every day. Not just when I'm cutting calories but since I remember myself, since childhood (my parents always joked that even as a baby I was too lazy to crawl, never got into…

Also I just stumbled on this post in the 'refeeds and diet breaks' thread, which everyone conveniently ignored. While I become absolutely terrified reading things like that, because the body screwing up in this way is one of my worst fears. Where does this fit in with the forum's "you're not a special unicorn" mantra?

So this is fascinating, I just stumbled onto another thread on the other board, "BMR and TDEE explained", where for 30+ pages people are talking about suppressed TDEE's due to undereating and eating more to lose. While I understand this again does not invalidate CICO as a principle, doesn't this go against the cry on these…

Okay. Clearly no one is interested in having a rational discussion. I have given examples and studies backing up my arguments, yet no one here has shown any research that would invalidate what I'm saying. It's clearly easier for people to just roll their eyes and refuse to even consider anything that may not fit their…

My point is, what if some people are not able to create a deficit large enough to lose weight, because when they restrict their intake, their metabolism adapts to meet that intake level. Now, I'm sure that at SOME point, you can eat little enough to create a deficit, but what if for some, that level is, I don't know, 500…

This is why I was linking all these studies, which apparently you don't care about reading, that show how the metabolism can change in response to various hormonal and other factors. I don't believe there is "very little variation" to metabolism. Think about it - there is a LOT of variation to pretty much every other…

No, my point, that everyone seems to keep missing, is in reply to the original question: Why do people deny CICO? Because for some people, their metabolic response, and hence their CO, may, for a variety of reasons, make it nearly impossible for them to create a deficit or surplus with a reasonably healthy food intake.…

Another really interesting study about breastfeeding and how it mobilizes fat stores after pregnancy - it is thought that the fat is mobilized from the hip and thigh region particularly because it contains fatty acids that support brain development. Fascinating stuff - the body really is so much smarter and more complex…

Well not in my case, because my appetite disappeared with both pregnancies, even though I wasn't throwing up, I simply had no appetite and became completely indifferent and even averse to all my favorite foods including bread and chocolate. I was trying to force myself to eat *something* because I was concerned about…