Mis-informed people really get to me
sljohnson1207
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I went to an educational seminar with my mother last night at a dialysis place. The person there is supposedly an expert on kidney disease.
At one point, she mentioned how high protein "fad" diets like Atkins and South Beach Diet can be hard on kidneys. While I agree that high protein diets can be hard on kidneys, esp. diseased ones, I wanted to scream at her that Atkins is not a fad, and is NOT HIGH PROTEIN, but High Fat.
Since I was there for my mother, I didn't feel it was the right place or time to say anything, but I'm debating adding blood to my diary from yesterday from biting my lip.
At one point, she mentioned how high protein "fad" diets like Atkins and South Beach Diet can be hard on kidneys. While I agree that high protein diets can be hard on kidneys, esp. diseased ones, I wanted to scream at her that Atkins is not a fad, and is NOT HIGH PROTEIN, but High Fat.
Since I was there for my mother, I didn't feel it was the right place or time to say anything, but I'm debating adding blood to my diary from yesterday from biting my lip.
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I feel you. It is sooooo frustrating. You would never catch me mouthing off about something I have no idea about, and yet so many do. And then there is what you experienced, when experts are misinformed. They spread the miseducation to so many.
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I find a lot of our "medical community" are sadly misinformed and/or ignorant about weight loss and nutrition 0
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That's right. I didn't know anything about dialysis until last night, and I learned a lot, but based on that one statement from her, I will be checking all that seminar taught to make sure it's fact, not her version of fact.0
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South Beach?? The only fad thing about South Beach is the name. lol Did you punch the expert in the kidney?0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »South Beach?? The only fad thing about South Beach is the name. lol Did you punch the expert in the kidney?
Believe me, I wanted to. Considering everyone in the room has diabetic kidney disease except my mom, they all probably should have been on a South Beach type diet or Atkins type diet, IMHO. I think there's enough science now to prove that it can be beneficial for blood sugar control AND weight loss, which is so much harder for diabetics.
I mean, really, I know the woman was not a dietitian, but she shouldn't have said anything if she really doesn't know. Stick to what she does know...dialysis.
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sljohnson1207 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »South Beach?? The only fad thing about South Beach is the name. lol Did you punch the expert in the kidney?
Believe me, I wanted to. Considering everyone in the room has diabetic kidney disease except my mom, they all probably should have been on a South Beach type diet or Atkins type diet, IMHO. I think there's enough science now to prove that it can be beneficial for blood sugar control AND weight loss, which is so much harder for diabetics.
I mean, really, I know the woman was not a dietitian, but she shouldn't have said anything if she really doesn't know. Stick to what she does know...dialysis.
Yes! SB is practically a roadmap for eating healthy and keeping blood sugars normalized. And ISN'T high protein.0 -
When reading about the misinformation about saturated fats today, I came across this article and it made me mad that no one in the medical community ever suggested to me that I should try a change to my son's diet when he was little.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1046-margarine-linked-to-dramatic-asthma-rise.html#.VD8SVPldVCN
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Alt;alterone1982 wrote: »When reading about the misinformation about saturated fats today, I came across this article and it made me mad that no one in the medical community ever suggested to me that I should try a change to my son's diet when he was little.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1046-margarine-linked-to-dramatic-asthma-rise.html#.VD8SVPldVCN
The more you read (and the more you learn) the madder (is that a word?) you get.
Saturated fats,
Cholesterol and heart disease,
Hypertension,
Carbs in general, and of course,
the whole "low fat / high carbs" USDA food pyramid debacle,
30 years later, after incontrovertible evidence in the form of the massive increases in type II diabetes, overweight and obesity (among many others) - and still the majority of doctors and (especially) dietitians ignore the obvious and prefer to parrot the "company line".
Reason enough (in my mind) to question those who continually fall back on the "check with your doc or 'titian" (medical "professionals"), advice.
Dogma and blind faith brought us to where we are - educating oneself is the solution to the problem those very same "medical professionals" have created by their refusal to question in spite of the growing mountain of evidence.
There are indications that at least "some" of the "professionals" are beginning to see the light. While encouraging, it's too little, too late.
Time to take matters into our own hands.
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deansdad101 wrote: »
Alt;alterone1982 wrote: »When reading about the misinformation about saturated fats today, I came across this article and it made me mad that no one in the medical community ever suggested to me that I should try a change to my son's diet when he was little.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1046-margarine-linked-to-dramatic-asthma-rise.html#.VD8SVPldVCN
The more you read (and the more you learn) the madder (is that a word?) you get.
Saturated fats,
Cholesterol and heart disease,
Hypertension,
Carbs in general, and of course,
the whole "low fat / high carbs" USDA food pyramid debacle,
30 years later, after incontrovertible evidence in the form of the massive increases in type II diabetes, overweight and obesity (among many others) - and still the majority of doctors and (especially) dietitians ignore the obvious and prefer to parrot the "company line".
Reason enough (in my mind) to question those who continually fall back on the "check with your doc or 'titian" (medical "professionals"), advice.
Dogma and blind faith brought us to where we are - educating oneself is the solution to the problem those very same "medical professionals" have created by their refusal to question in spite of the growing mountain of evidence.
There are indications that at least "some" of the "professionals" are beginning to see the light. While encouraging, it's too little, too late.
Time to take matters into our own hands.
Sadly, I find I have to put some kind of "of course, talk with your doctor" line on just about everything, otherwise I get the stupid "this advice is bad for people who [insert edge case here]!"/"you shouldn't blindly follow some random shmoe on the internet's advice!" It's like...seriously? Shouldn't "use your brain, don't be stupid" go without saying at this point? (Evidently not...)
One of my favorite resources on the whole "fat and heart disease" thing is Dr. Peter Attia's The limits of scientific evidence and the ethics of dietary guidelines -- 60 years of ambiguity video. It's kind of long, but well worth it. It walks through the events that happened that resulted in the great fiasco that is the USDA food pyramid.0 -
DW;Dragonwolf wrote: »deansdad101 wrote: »
Alt;alterone1982 wrote: »When reading about the misinformation about saturated fats today, I came across this article and it made me mad that no one in the medical community ever suggested to me that I should try a change to my son's diet when he was little.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1046-margarine-linked-to-dramatic-asthma-rise.html#.VD8SVPldVCN
The more you read (and the more you learn) the madder (is that a word?) you get.
Saturated fats,
Cholesterol and heart disease,
Hypertension,
Carbs in general, and of course,
the whole "low fat / high carbs" USDA food pyramid debacle,
30 years later, after incontrovertible evidence in the form of the massive increases in type II diabetes, overweight and obesity (among many others) - and still the majority of doctors and (especially) dietitians ignore the obvious and prefer to parrot the "company line".
Reason enough (in my mind) to question those who continually fall back on the "check with your doc or 'titian" (medical "professionals"), advice.
Dogma and blind faith brought us to where we are - educating oneself is the solution to the problem those very same "medical professionals" have created by their refusal to question in spite of the growing mountain of evidence.
There are indications that at least "some" of the "professionals" are beginning to see the light. While encouraging, it's too little, too late.
Time to take matters into our own hands.
Sadly, I find I have to put some kind of "of course, talk with your doctor" line on just about everything, otherwise I get the stupid "this advice is bad for people who [insert edge case here]!"/"you shouldn't blindly follow some random shmoe on the internet's advice!" It's like...seriously? Shouldn't "use your brain, don't be stupid" go without saying at this point? (Evidently not...)
One of my favorite resources on the whole "fat and heart disease" thing is Dr. Peter Attia's The limits of scientific evidence and the ethics of dietary guidelines -- 60 years of ambiguity video. It's kind of long, but well worth it. It walks through the events that happened that resulted in the great fiasco that is the USDA food pyramid.
Clearly, your approach (including the disclaimer) is the more reasoned, PC, and less confrontational and would have been mine as well (in a prior life).
With age comes a lessening of the ability to tolerate stupidity along with a reduction in one's willingness to continue beating their head against brick walls. As a side benefit, the "aged" are (for the most part) granted somewhat more leeway when they cut through the BS and tell it like it is without the sugar coating.
Most of the baloney you hear about the "golden years" is just that - hogwash. So I'll take what I can get <s> and just keep telling myself:
There is NO cure for STUPID!
Your link to Dr Attia is one of my favs as well - and there are countless others but all of them actually require a modicum of effort on the part of the ill-informed, first to read and more importantly, to comprehend.
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