So....what *is* the Low Carber Daily Forum?
Dragonwolf
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I've been wondering this for a while, now. The group description mentions a thread, but doesn't mention where (I assume MFP? I've never seen said thread, though), and Google doesn't really turn up any sort of site under such a name.
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
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DW;Dragonwolf wrote: »I've been wondering this for a while, now. The group description mentions a thread, but doesn't mention where (I assume MFP? I've never seen said thread, though), and Google doesn't really turn up any sort of site under such a name.
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
I've been wondering the same thing for quite a while now.
I'm guessing (WAG) the "thread" reference was to a thread that took place sometime back in the dark ages in the litterbox (aka swamp) that fell prey to the "typical", knuckledragger, level of intellect.
No "fact" upon which to base it - truly just a WAG.
Back when I first began attending the two (I assume) "originators" of the Group were still active but hinting that they would no longer be able to continue (for personal reasons).
They solicited, and subsequently handed over the "reins" to a group regular and made a few, brief, final, "appearances" but then withdrew completely.
The individual who took over kept a pretty low profile for a while and then just seemed to vanish into the ether.
Like you, (I'm guessing), I was put off by the lack of leadership and (especially) by the failure to keep that long list of "stickies" that are the first thing "newbies" to the Group see - up to date and relevant.
Not being sure if I was going to stick around (after bad experiences at a couple other similar tracking sites/forums), I kept my mouth shut and basically ignored it.
In the meantime though, I attempted to contact the last "moderator" (or whatever it's called) and ask if she (I think) would either do the updates or grant access to someone that would.
Emailed three times - no responses.
Last I looked the account was closed.
Considered contacting the MFP "higher ups" to see if there is a procedure to transfer access to an active member but had second thoughts about doing so.
One side of me says, we've been doing just fine with no "grand poobah"/moderator/groupcop so just leave well enough alone.
OTOH, those outdated (and in some instances, questionable) "stickies" are an embarrassment when inviting "newbies" to come on over.
A third possibility would be to start a completely new group and refer folks to that but after witnessing the problems with the forum update recently (and the complete LACK of support from MFP for the "groups" in general) that seemed a task not worth the effort.
And NO! - I am NOT running for the position of moderator (and WILL NOT accept if drafted <VBG>)
It would be interesting however to hear others thoughts (especially "newbies") on the matter and THANK YOU for bringing it to light.
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Dragonwolf wrote: »I've been wondering this for a while, now. The group description mentions a thread, but doesn't mention where (I assume MFP? I've never seen said thread, though), and Google doesn't really turn up any sort of site under such a name.
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
It may be the inverse of High Carber or something in between.
"Carber" is often used by those without a real need and/or capacity to understand how some need to eat lower levels of carbs to have better health as may be the case below.
humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you/
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »I've been wondering this for a while, now. The group description mentions a thread, but doesn't mention where (I assume MFP? I've never seen said thread, though), and Google doesn't really turn up any sort of site under such a name.
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
It may be the inverse of High Carber or something in between.
"Carber" is often used by those without a real need and/or capacity to understand how some need to eat lower levels of carbs to have better health as may be the case below.
humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you/
Oh, I know what "carber" means, but the name "Low Carber Daily Forum...the group!" alludes to the presences of some "Low Carber Daily Forum" or even perhaps something by the name of "Low Carber Daily" and this is an MFP group for the forum for that site/newsgroup etc (not unlike the Reddit Keto and StrongLifts groups that exist on here). That's what I'm curious about.deansdad101 wrote: »
DW;Dragonwolf wrote: »I've been wondering this for a while, now. The group description mentions a thread, but doesn't mention where (I assume MFP? I've never seen said thread, though), and Google doesn't really turn up any sort of site under such a name.
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
I've been wondering the same thing for quite a while now.
I'm guessing (WAG) the "thread" reference was to a thread that took place sometime back in the dark ages in the litterbox (aka swamp) that fell prey to the "typical", knuckledragger, level of intellect.
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And NO! - I am NOT running for the position of moderator (and WILL NOT accept if drafted <VBG>)
It would be interesting however to hear others thoughts (especially "newbies") on the matter and THANK YOU for bringing it to light.
Bahahah! Your last statements are awesome. I don't blame you, though. I'm half-tempted to see about it, now that I know the mods have vanished, but mainly to keep the stickies relevant. The group seems to be doing fine without the need for someone to actually "run" the place (which is actually really cool, given the number of members and general lack of oversight).
As for your WAG, that's pretty much my guess, too, though I was hoping that someone might still be around from its founding time and could shed some light on the matter.
Edit - and because I'm a glutton for punishment, I just sent a message to MFP about the process for a user to take over a group. We'll see what they say.0 -
DW;Dragonwolf wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »I've been wondering this for a while, now. The group description mentions a thread, but doesn't mention where (I assume MFP? I've never seen said thread, though), and Google doesn't really turn up any sort of site under such a name.
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
It may be the inverse of High Carber or something in between.
"Carber" is often used by those without a real need and/or capacity to understand how some need to eat lower levels of carbs to have better health as may be the case below.
humanfoodproject.com/sorry-low-carbers-your-microbiome-is-just-not-that-into-you/
Oh, I know what "carber" means, but the name "Low Carber Daily Forum...the group!" alludes to the presences of some "Low Carber Daily Forum" or even perhaps something by the name of "Low Carber Daily" and this is an MFP group for the forum for that site/newsgroup etc (not unlike the Reddit Keto and StrongLifts groups that exist on here). That's what I'm curious about.deansdad101 wrote: »
DW;Dragonwolf wrote: »I've been wondering this for a while, now. The group description mentions a thread, but doesn't mention where (I assume MFP? I've never seen said thread, though), and Google doesn't really turn up any sort of site under such a name.
For the sake of curiosity, what is (or perhaps was) the Low Carber Daily Forum?
I've been wondering the same thing for quite a while now.
I'm guessing (WAG) the "thread" reference was to a thread that took place sometime back in the dark ages in the litterbox (aka swamp) that fell prey to the "typical", knuckledragger, level of intellect.
<snip>
And NO! - I am NOT running for the position of moderator (and WILL NOT accept if drafted <VBG>)
It would be interesting however to hear others thoughts (especially "newbies") on the matter and THANK YOU for bringing it to light.
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Edit - and because I'm a glutton for punishment, I just sent a message to MFP about the process for a user to take over a group. We'll see what they say.
First, I (and I assume "most" others) would wholeheartedly support your ascension to the "throne". <G>
I would caution you however to be wary (based on my previous "history" with the whole "mods" role).
Granted, my experiences were NOT on MFP, but rather LoseIT and/or Spark (don't recall exactly which one anymore because I was active on both and the "climate" was pretty similar on each).
Long story short, the mods were "required" to comply with a strict set of "rules" - not just on the typical, general, "behavior" issues, but more importantly on what I can only define as "free speech" and issues which ran contrary to the "company line".
Not to get into the "right" of the sponsor to make whatever rules they want since they "own" the venue and provide access, basically for free (which is a valid point IMO) - but when it is extended to the point where members (posters) are censured and threatened with expulsion for merely posting references (or links) to documentation that challenges the dogma endorsed by the majority and/or espoused by their "house dietitian experts", it's simply unacceptable IMO.
After "pushing the envelope" (I'm sure that surprises you), I was "counseled" by the mod that "questioning" the "wisdom" (read CICO/SAD) of the "expert" was not to be tolerated and in violation of the TOS and while she (mod) "agreed in principal" (sic) that open discussion regarding alternative points of view (backed by trial results) was a "good thing" - she was REQUIRED by the terms of her coronation to "warn" me to cease and desist and should it happen again she would have to report it to her "superiors" for further action. (or risk losing her "appointment")
It did, she did, and they did (gotta give them credit at least for following through on their threats <G>).
The rest of the details don't really matter much and I want to repeat that it did NOT happen here on MFP but rather on one of the other tracking/forum sites.
I have no idea if MFP employs a similar policy or not and it's NOT my intention to suggest or imply that they do.
I'm "guessing" (based on the nearly complete lack of interest in the Groups as a whole) that "they" (MFP higher ups) have a mostly "laissez- faire" attitude.
All I'm suggesting is that you go into it (if you decide to) with eyes wide open - we'd HATE to lose you over something stupid - like principle {/snark}
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Dragonwolf after I replied to you then read some of your post I realized your question could not have meant what was my first take.
At first I did not know how to take the rest of forum as a whole. New people would join and get the living daylights knocked out of them by a few bullies. There was one woman who joined from Australia in within hours they had made so much fun of her she was gone and has not been back. I do understand there is science behind dieting but know people use different approaches yet get personal results. If the bullies could see they drew blood they would become rabid.
What deansdad101 just posted helps me understand some things that can happen here if the 'wrong' science is discussed. It was a google search on how to use a cheap breath analyzer for a quick and bloodless test to know how one was doing at getting into and staying in a state of ketosis that led me to MFP.
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If we do manage to get someone to take control of the group, I would recommend electing 2-3 additional people to also have access, in case the person who takes control vanishes. And, if someone has been inactive for a while, replace them with someone else who is active. That way, we don't end up in this situation again.
As for the owners of this site potentially dictating behavior/content, it's possible but I haven't seen any indication of it. I am in charge of another group (the low carb challenge), and I have never been contacted in any way about anything. There was no agreement for additional rules that I had to click through or anything. Granted, it's not like the group is some terrorist entity bent on pushing the rules, so there might be a line that they demand moderators/owners tend and insure doesn't get crossed that I am unaware of. Still, I think there is every indication that MFP just doesn't care all that much to allow people to have dissenting opinions as long as they don't violate the normal terms (no pro-anorexia groups, for example).0 -
if we cant get control of this group- i say we have 1 of 2 options
1- stay here
or just start a new one & divert all traffic from here to there
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If we do manage to get someone to take control of the group, I would recommend electing 2-3 additional people to also have access, in case the person who takes control vanishes. And, if someone has been inactive for a while, replace them with someone else who is active. That way, we don't end up in this situation again.
As for the owners of this site potentially dictating behavior/content, it's possible but I haven't seen any indication of it. I am in charge of another group (the low carb challenge), and I have never been contacted in any way about anything. There was no agreement for additional rules that I had to click through or anything. Granted, it's not like the group is some terrorist entity bent on pushing the rules, so there might be a line that they demand moderators/owners tend and insure doesn't get crossed that I am unaware of. Still, I think there is every indication that MFP just doesn't care all that much to allow people to have dissenting opinions as long as they don't violate the normal terms (no pro-anorexia groups, for example).
Yeah, from what I've seen from the MFP staff, they actively encourage groups for the more "fringe" stuff in general (provided it's not something like pro-ana), so I doubt they much care what goes on in the groups. If they did, I doubt we'd be here discussing this matter in the first place (thanks for your concern, though, DD).
I heard back from MFP staff, and they said they could help with our situation. They should be making me a group leader soon. Once that happens, I should be able to add other people. I want to confirm, first, that I'll be able to add others to the "group leaders" thing (if they make me "leader" and not "owner," since some setups don't let you promote to your level; seems dumb that this would be one such setup, but you never know), but I'm all for having a couple other backup people to provide a little more protection against all leadership abandoning the group (and a few more hands for curating the stickies).GaleHawkins wrote: »Dragonwolf after I replied to you then read some of your post I realized your question could not have meant what was my first take.
At first I did not know how to take the rest of forum as a whole. New people would join and get the living daylights knocked out of them by a few bullies. There was one woman who joined from Australia in within hours they had made so much fun of her she was gone and has not been back. I do understand there is science behind dieting but know people use different approaches yet get personal results. If the bullies could see they drew blood they would become rabid.
What deansdad101 just posted helps me understand some things that can happen here if the 'wrong' science is discussed. It was a google search on how to use a cheap breath analyzer for a quick and bloodless test to know how one was doing at getting into and staying in a state of ketosis that led me to MFP.
Yep, I've seen it more than a few times. There are about half a dozen ones that are consistent to the point that I flag pretty much everything they say. They have a tendency to stalk people, it's insane. Unfortunately, the way the rules are written and the moderation works for the main forums, our hands are tied as users, because the MFP staff just says "well, there is moderation in place, just flag the offending post and we'll look at it," but the problem is not with an individual post -- and worse, most of the posts, taken in isolation, seem innocuous -- the problem is with the overarching culture it creates and the loss of a sense of safety (and feeling that you can't even participate in the forums without getting ganged up on if you don't exactly toe the line). What I usually do is if the user hasn't deactivated yet, send them a PM, directing them to the groups (usually a specific group), and letting them know that a couple of the people are basically "career bullies" and that it's best to not engage them at all.
And no worries about the misunderstanding. It's all good. 0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »I heard back from MFP staff, and they said they could help with our situation. They should be making me a group leader soon. Once that happens, I should be able to add other people. I want to confirm, first, that I'll be able to add others to the "group leaders" thing (if they make me "leader" and not "owner," since some setups don't let you promote to your level; seems dumb that this would be one such setup, but you never know), but I'm all for having a couple other backup people to provide a little more protection against all leadership abandoning the group (and a few more hands for curating the stickies).
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And no worries about the misunderstanding. It's all good.
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Totally agree with the "backup" suggestion/plan - it makes perfect sense.
I could care less about any "title" (although I understand the "status" determines ability to make changes "in real time") so I'd just say do what you think will work best once the coup d'etat is "official".
I'd be happy to assist in "fixing" the "stickies" in any way I can just don't think it would be fair commit to "daily duties" I would be unlikely to fulfill.
The First Lady and I (and Mom) are heading to MX after the holidays for 5 weeks and there's no telling if either "time" or "interweb access" will allow for participation. Our "plan" for retirement (while we still can) is at least two such "excursions" a year so my (possibly extended) absence will be a fairly "regular" thing.
I'm not sure about the "election" option. From what I've seen in the past, it's usually difficult enough to just get "volunteers" - it may very well be "different" here, given the number of truly committed individuals (and their ability to just "get along") but looking back on when the two "owners" tried to solicit volunteers - it wasn't a "pretty" sight <g>.
I would ask again that more "newbies" add their thoughts (and especially their personal "experiences and/or impressions" when first deciding to attend) - that info would help immensely in determining how to proceed and in all likelihood, as time goes on the group will naturally "morph" to be THEIRS and they should have a "say" in how we proceed.
You've done the legwork, I suggest you do whatever you feel the most comfortable doing - I'm fine with whatever you decide.
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Dragonwolf wrote: »If we do manage to get someone to take control of the group, I would recommend electing 2-3 additional people to also have access, in case the person who takes control vanishes. And, if someone has been inactive for a while, replace them with someone else who is active. That way, we don't end up in this situation again.
As for the owners of this site potentially dictating behavior/content, it's possible but I haven't seen any indication of it. I am in charge of another group (the low carb challenge), and I have never been contacted in any way about anything. There was no agreement for additional rules that I had to click through or anything. Granted, it's not like the group is some terrorist entity bent on pushing the rules, so there might be a line that they demand moderators/owners tend and insure doesn't get crossed that I am unaware of. Still, I think there is every indication that MFP just doesn't care all that much to allow people to have dissenting opinions as long as they don't violate the normal terms (no pro-anorexia groups, for example).
Yeah, from what I've seen from the MFP staff, they actively encourage groups for the more "fringe" stuff in general (provided it's not something like pro-ana), so I doubt they much care what goes on in the groups. If they did, I doubt we'd be here discussing this matter in the first place (thanks for your concern, though, DD).
I heard back from MFP staff, and they said they could help with our situation. They should be making me a group leader soon. Once that happens, I should be able to add other people. I want to confirm, first, that I'll be able to add others to the "group leaders" thing (if they make me "leader" and not "owner," since some setups don't let you promote to your level; seems dumb that this would be one such setup, but you never know), but I'm all for having a couple other backup people to provide a little more protection against all leadership abandoning the group (and a few more hands for curating the stickies).GaleHawkins wrote: »Dragonwolf after I replied to you then read some of your post I realized your question could not have meant what was my first take.
At first I did not know how to take the rest of forum as a whole. New people would join and get the living daylights knocked out of them by a few bullies. There was one woman who joined from Australia in within hours they had made so much fun of her she was gone and has not been back. I do understand there is science behind dieting but know people use different approaches yet get personal results. If the bullies could see they drew blood they would become rabid.
What deansdad101 just posted helps me understand some things that can happen here if the 'wrong' science is discussed. It was a google search on how to use a cheap breath analyzer for a quick and bloodless test to know how one was doing at getting into and staying in a state of ketosis that led me to MFP.
Yep, I've seen it more than a few times. There are about half a dozen ones that are consistent to the point that I flag pretty much everything they say. They have a tendency to stalk people, it's insane. Unfortunately, the way the rules are written and the moderation works for the main forums, our hands are tied as users, because the MFP staff just says "well, there is moderation in place, just flag the offending post and we'll look at it," but the problem is not with an individual post -- and worse, most of the posts, taken in isolation, seem innocuous -- the problem is with the overarching culture it creates and the loss of a sense of safety (and feeling that you can't even participate in the forums without getting ganged up on if you don't exactly toe the line). What I usually do is if the user hasn't deactivated yet, send them a PM, directing them to the groups (usually a specific group), and letting them know that a couple of the people are basically "career bullies" and that it's best to not engage them at all.
And no worries about the misunderstanding. It's all good.
I really do feel, and don't think I'm being all that paranoid, that I have a couple of the Shirtless Mafia who look for me and end up on threads I comment on. And I think I have a flag-stalker too. Oh well... Darn Litterbox. Or is it ViperPit? Sometimes I feel like Indian Jones when he's dropped in a snake pit.
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Lol, a "snake" pit filled with shirtless ab guys.
I'm thinking about a sort of hybrid approach -- get volunteers and open the floor for endorsements. Ideally, that way, the people that want the position are eligible for it, and the people that want to have some say in the matter, but don't want the full duties, can have a say, too.
If that falls flat, then I'll enlist a couple of the more prominent/active members, whether they like it or not (I'm looking at you, frob).
For the most part, I don't foresee the leadership needing to do much on a day-to-day basis. After all, we've been running for some time without any leadership at all. The only two tasks I see needing done at all are a) keeping the spammers/trolls out (which seems to be rarely necessary), b) helping keep the stickies relevant and up to date (which shouldn't need to be a frequent thing, especially if everyone pitches in and each spearheads one or two).0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »If that falls flat, then I'll enlist a couple of the more prominent/active members, whether they like it or not (I'm looking at you, frob).
LOL, I would be one of the backup people if that's what people want or it is needed. Based on the amount of moderation and work required to keep this group running fairly smoothly (almost none), I think I could manage to do it. If there are other people, who want it more than I do, they are welcome to the spot.
The biggest thing I would like to see is the pinned threads reduced down to a reasonable number of active ones, with maybe one pinned thread with links to the inactive but very informational old threads--which would be most of the current pinned threads--that members may want to peruse from time to time.0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »If that falls flat, then I'll enlist a couple of the more prominent/active members, whether they like it or not (I'm looking at you, frob).
LOL, I would be one of the backup people if that's what people want or it is needed. Based on the amount of moderation and work required to keep this group running fairly smoothly (almost none), I think I could manage to do it. If there are other people, who want it more than I do, they are welcome to the spot.
The biggest thing I would like to see is the pinned threads reduced down to a reasonable number of active ones, with maybe one pinned thread with links to the inactive but very informational old threads--which would be most of the current pinned threads--that members may want to peruse from time to time.
Responses like this make me sometimes wish the forums had a "like" or "thumbs up" button. I really like that idea for the stickies, and it gives me an idea to go a little further -- the new format for stickies shows the first couple of lines of the post, which we can take advantage of to provide meaningful information before people even click into the links (it won't be a lot, of course, but it'll be some).0 -
Any progress on this? I was successfully able to "take over" a group. But only because I was able to track down the old mod, who made me a mod. FWIW I was also able to change the name, the description and the stickies. But it would seem admin could easily make one of 5 of y'all mods. Good luck, if you need folks to petition admin, let me know.0
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SS;Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Any progress on this? I was successfully able to "take over" a group. But only because I was able to track down the old mod, who made me a mod. FWIW I was also able to change the name, the description and the stickies. But it would seem admin could easily make one of 5 of y'all mods. Good luck, if you need folks to petition admin, let me know.
Now THERE'S something to "consider"!!!
Description and Stickies = FOR SURE
Name = ????
First impression is YES (at least the "forum....the group!!!", part)
"Daily" never made any sense to me
Which leaves "Low Carber" (needs something or drop "carber"
Which pretty much puts us back to square one and a whole new moniker.
Not sure where I stand but you gotta admit it would be a HOOT to try to come to a consensus on this one <VBG>
SS - do you know IF changing the name (at all) would;- Kill the history?
- Reset the member base count?
- Break the previously posted links?
Not that I'm advocating for a name change but if it were to come to pass I think it would matter how some would feel depending on those questions.
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From a strictly "strategic" point of view, #2 might be the most important issue.
It appears to me that the listing of "Popular Groups" that appears on the "Groups" home page (and in the right sidebar) is organized by total members count.
It "might" be tied to a cookie that tracks the individual users history (unless others are seeing the same that I see) - but I don't think so.
We are currently listed 6th (not a competitive bone in my body <G>) - but it does "matter" since at least currently there is NO real method for folks to search for groups that might be of interest and since we show on the first page that certainly can't hurt.
If the "member count" were to be reset by a name change (even if only a "minor" change) we'd go to the bottom of the list.
Since the "only" way for folks to locate a group (at least as of now) is to manually scroll through the entire list I have to believe being #6 has its benefits.
Hate to give that up - especially if we changed the name and didn't expect the reset.0 -
deansdad101 wrote: »From a strictly "strategic" point of view, #2 might be the most important issue.
It appears to me that the listing of "Popular Groups" that appears on the "Groups" home page (and in the right sidebar) is organized by total members count.
It "might" be tied to a cookie that tracks the individual users history (unless others are seeing the same that I see) - but I don't think so.
We are currently listed 6th (not a competitive bone in my body <G>) - but it does "matter" since at least currently there is NO real method for folks to search for groups that might be of interest and since we show on the first page that certainly can't hurt.
If the "member count" were to be reset by a name change (even if only a "minor" change) we'd go to the bottom of the list.
Since the "only" way for folks to locate a group (at least as of now) is to manually scroll through the entire list I have to believe being #6 has its benefits.
Hate to give that up - especially if we changed the name and didn't expect the reset.
Now I understand why some groups have that (stupid - IMO) "ADD ME" thread
One more question...
Down at the bottom right corner, next to the "Post Reply" button, there is a link to "Social Groups".
Doesn't anyone else get "Permission Problem" "Access Denied" when they click it?
Anyone know why?
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FROB;If we do manage <snip>
As for the owners of this site potentially dictating behavior/content, it's possible but I haven't seen any indication of it. I am in charge of another group (the low carb challenge), and I have never been contacted in any way about anything. There was no agreement for additional rules that I had to click through or anything. Granted, it's not like the group is some terrorist entity bent on pushing the rules, so there might be a line that they demand moderators/owners tend and insure doesn't get crossed that I am unaware of. Still, I think there is every indication that MFP just doesn't care all that much to allow people to have dissenting opinions as long as they don't violate the normal terms (no pro-anorexia groups, for example).
Never forget to check their "back pockets" <g>
myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines
Don't feel too bad about it though - I never saw it either until I went looking.
I do agree that it's "unlikely" but one never knows.
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In fairness, I said there were no additional rules that I had to click through (or agree to) when I created a group and became the person in charge. Those rules you link to apply to any person who participates in the forums. I had seem them referenced before; it was when someone accused me of breaking #18 (use English on the main forums) because my profile page has French on it.
Reading them through again is even more encouraging because the specifics relating to groups makes it pretty clear that the site permits the groups to run themselves as long as the way they're being run doesn't violate the guidelines (#1-#13 that are site-wide). Those are pretty standard.
The specific rules relating to groups (#20-24) all seem to either clarify the limits (no trolling other groups or spamming) or give more permission (we can have our own guidelines and our content can be mature--well, it could it our group was marked as a mature group).
20. Groups Can Establish Additional Group-Specific Guidelines
21. Group Moderators Must Uphold Site-wide Guidelines [These are the #1-#13 ones I mentioned above]
22. Do Not Troll or Harass Groups
23. No Mass Invites or Invite Spamming
24. Groups That Allow Mature Content Must Be Marked Mature
Anyway, my point was that there's no new additional rules that someone who is in charge of a group must obey (aside from #21, #23, and #24 which are published in the same location as the old rules). There's no contract they make you sign promising to not speak out against CICO or to not bash the stupid sponsors they have (the ads on MFP can be ridiculous when you consider the goal of most people here).0 -
FROB;In fairness, I said there were no additional rules that I had to click through (or agree to) when I created a group and became the person in charge. Those rules you link to apply to any person who participates in the forums. I had seem them referenced before; it was when someone accused me of breaking #18 (use English on the main forums) because my profile page has French on it.
Reading them through again is even more encouraging because the specifics relating to groups makes it pretty clear that the site permits the groups to run themselves as long as the way they're being run doesn't violate the guidelines (#1-#13 that are site-wide). Those are pretty standard.
The specific rules relating to groups (#20-24) all seem to either clarify the limits (no trolling other groups or spamming) or give more permission (we can have our own guidelines and our content can be mature--well, it could it our group was marked as a mature group).
20. Groups Can Establish Additional Group-Specific Guidelines
21. Group Moderators Must Uphold Site-wide Guidelines [These are the #1-#13 ones I mentioned above]
22. Do Not Troll or Harass Groups
23. No Mass Invites or Invite Spamming
24. Groups That Allow Mature Content Must Be Marked Mature
Anyway, my point was that there's no new additional rules that someone who is in charge of a group must obey (aside from #21, #23, and #24 which are published in the same location as the old rules). There's no contract they make you sign promising to not speak out against CICO or to not bash the stupid sponsors they have (the ads on MFP can be ridiculous when you consider the goal of most people here).
Agreed.
My comment was meant in jest <g>
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deansdad101 wrote: »FROB;
Agreed.
My comment was meant in jest <g>
Ah, I didn't pick up on that. I have some experience knowing that those guidelines aren't really made obvious when people join. I was active on here for quite a while before I first read them. So, I figured you were pointing them out for me because they are "hidden" for most people.
In any case, it's not like the people who become mods here will deal with too much pressure from MFP. We're a pretty tame, if controversial, group. We don't send terrorist teams of anti-carb agents to other groups or the main forums to stir up trouble... yet. ;-)0 -
In my experience with the older boards, no. It didn't "break" anything.deansdad101 wrote: »
SS;Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Any progress on this? I was successfully able to "take over" a group. But only because I was able to track down the old mod, who made me a mod. FWIW I was also able to change the name, the description and the stickies. But it would seem admin could easily make one of 5 of y'all mods. Good luck, if you need folks to petition admin, let me know.
Now THERE'S something to "consider"!!!
Description and Stickies = FOR SURE
Name = ????
First impression is YES (at least the "forum....the group!!!", part)
"Daily" never made any sense to me
Which leaves "Low Carber" (needs something or drop "carber"
Which pretty much puts us back to square one and a whole new moniker.
Not sure where I stand but you gotta admit it would be a HOOT to try to come to a consensus on this one <VBG>
SS - do you know IF changing the name (at all) would;- Kill the history?
- Reset the member base count?
- Break the previously posted links?
Not that I'm advocating for a name change but if it were to come to pass I think it would matter how some would feel depending on those questions.
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SS;Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
In my experience with the older boards, no. It didn't "break" anything.deansdad101 wrote: »
SS;Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Any progress on this? I was successfully able to "take over" a group. But only because I was able to track down the old mod, who made me a mod. FWIW I was also able to change the name, the description and the stickies. But it would seem admin could easily make one of 5 of y'all mods. Good luck, if you need folks to petition admin, let me know.
Now THERE'S something to "consider"!!!
Description and Stickies = FOR SURE
Name = ????
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SS - do you know IF changing the name (at all) would;- Kill the history?
- Reset the member base count?
- Break the previously posted links?
Thanks - but I think the operative word is "older boards", forgot about that.
With the change, what happened "then" might or might not happen "now" (protocols of the software might very well be different).
I do think that #2 matters and would suggest that IF we were to consider a name change we'd want to "know" for sure, going in, that the member base count wouldn't be affected.
The MFP "technowizards" SHOULD be able to confirm one way or the other, but.......
.....how long has it been since they said the old posts would be restored to the groups or that the group "search" function would be implemented?
I'm leaning toward just leaving "well enough alone" as far as the name goes.
Just my $0.02 FWIW
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deansdad101 wrote: »
I'm leaning toward just leaving "well enough alone" as far as the name goes.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
In my experience with the older boards, no. It didn't "break" anything.deansdad101 wrote: »
SS;Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Any progress on this? I was successfully able to "take over" a group. But only because I was able to track down the old mod, who made me a mod. FWIW I was also able to change the name, the description and the stickies. But it would seem admin could easily make one of 5 of y'all mods. Good luck, if you need folks to petition admin, let me know.
Now THERE'S something to "consider"!!!
Description and Stickies = FOR SURE
Name = ????
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SS - do you know IF changing the name (at all) would;- Kill the history?
- Reset the member base count?
- Break the previously posted links?
Just my $0.02 FWIW
Id agree with this, at least until they put back the group search feature. Then at least people who would like to learn or try Low Carb could find us thru search, then the name change wouldnt matter as much IMO.
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I think there may be fewer than 12 persons wrecking the site's ability to be open minded about dieting. As new info comes out we all must keep rethinking our positions from time to time but a few on the site will never do that. People that use Never, Always and the like are a red flag based on my experience and background. I do think some will move to other playgrounds if they do not have a free hand to bully on this site over time. Most all diets work at some level and have at least parts that are valid. Encouraging people to get started at some level then learn their way forward is critical based on my continuing journey. Just six months ago I had not interest in cutting carbs because I did not know it was a viable option in my case.0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Any progress on this? I was successfully able to "take over" a group. But only because I was able to track down the old mod, who made me a mod. FWIW I was also able to change the name, the description and the stickies. But it would seem admin could easily make one of 5 of y'all mods. Good luck, if you need folks to petition admin, let me know.
They've made me group leader and have confirmed that I can add/remove other group leaders.
DD, regarding your questions -- I maintain a far, far less active group. I'll toy around with it to address your questions. I doubt it will reset the member count as long as all the members are still associated with the group. The only one that really concerns me is the link breakage. I think that's the most likely issue.
Generally speaking, everything in a system like this is a record in a database (our accounts, groups, a forum section, a thread, each post in a thread, etc). Each of those records has separate values for ID, name, and URL. In the case of MFP, the URLs are generally derived from the name, so if the name can be changed, whether links break will depend on how the URLs are generated and whether the system is set up to redirect from defunct URLs. However, the underlying relationships (in this case, the members and the threads/posts to the group) are nearly always done using the IDs, which don't change (any developer who doesn't do it this way should be shot... you have to actively try to do it just about any other way). So odds are, your other two concerns won't be an issue.
The reason for the issues that the forums have been experiencing is because they changed the underlying system entirely. It's basically like putting a new chassis and engine under an existing car body -- it might look the same, but everything underneath is different. That's a much harder change to handle than simply changing a label.
(Ahhh....the joys of being a software developer and knowing this kind of stuff....)0 -
DW;Dragonwolf wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Any progress on this? I was successfully able to "take over" a group. But only because I was able to track down the old mod, who made me a mod. FWIW I was also able to change the name, the description and the stickies. But it would seem admin could easily make one of 5 of y'all mods. Good luck, if you need folks to petition admin, let me know.
They've made me group leader and have confirmed that I can add/remove other group leaders.
DD, regarding your questions -- I maintain a far, far less active group. I'll toy around with it to address your questions. I doubt it will reset the member count as long as all the members are still associated with the group. The only one that really concerns me is the link breakage. I think that's the most likely issue.
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(Ahhh....the joys of being a software developer and knowing this kind of stuff....)
Second only to the "joys" of having a knowledgeable individual to turn to - Thanks!
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As a newbie, I didn't find these discussions for a while because of the sheer number of stickies. After a couple of screens of stickies dated a few years ago I assumed the group was dead in the water. On a whim I had another look a few weeks later and found the actual discussions at the bottom.0
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Saj;As a newbie, I didn't find these discussions for a while because of the sheer number of stickies. After a couple of screens of stickies dated a few years ago I assumed the group was dead in the water. On a whim I had another look a few weeks later and found the actual discussions at the bottom.
Thanks for your input.
I doubt that you are alone and expect that many others (myself included) had the same initial reaction.
The good news is that DW is "on the case" and it should be rectified soon.
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I got here due to a post on the regular side.0
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