Anyone doing to Keto diet?? losing weight steady and quick??
Nicole_M4
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This is a dangerous diet especially for us with pcos and one with diabetes or insulin resistance. I have done it years ago and it is the diet that pushed me into a dangerous state for diabetics. blood sugar is suppose to be 5... will it was 56. luckily for me my body was too stubborn to let me fall into a coma. so I urge everyone that is doing this Keto diet to consult your dr!!! I did my research before I posted this just so you know.
thank you for taking the time to read this.
thank you for taking the time to read this.
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I actually did it. I have severe pcos, high blood pressure, and was a type 2 Diabetic. I started a low carb diet and lost 20lbs (my dr was monitoring me the whole time) began Keto and lost 10 more lbs then was surprised to find out I was pregnant (I had been told I would never conceive) I now have a very active almost 14 month old so I'm doing Keto again to hopefully get to goal and also I was able to get off all diabetic medications it's in remission
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Just keep an eye on your sugars congrats on the baby. I was also told i would never conceive but now i have 2 boys with fertility drugs and 2 miracle baby girls with out any firtility treatments ages 9,6,2,4 months 0
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Actually, properly executed, nutritional ketosis is not inherently dangerous. In fact, low carb, high fat diets were historically the way to treat diabetes, before the fat-phobia era and the increase in emphasis on drugs over meaningful lifestyle changes for management.
There is a dangerous state known as ketoacidosis, which can happen among Type 1 or very late stage Type 2 Diabetics, who can no longer produce insulin. There is also a dangerous state that Type 2 Diabetics are susceptible to called Hyperosmolar Syndrome, which is a state of elevated glucose and sodium in the blood, as the person gets increasingly dehydrated. Either of these can happen on any diet, due to the interaction of various hormones and foods on the body. However, they only happen in people who are already diabetic (and tend to be more common among those who are undiagnosed or aren't controlling their diabetes). HS also has a number of other factors that can cause/trigger it (again, regardless of diet).
From Dr. Peter Attia:What is diabetic ketoacidosis? When a diabetic (usually a Type I diabetic, but sometimes this occurs in very late-stage, insulin-dependent, Type II diabetics) fails to receive enough insulin, they go into an effective state of starvation. While they may have all the glucose in the world in their bloodstream, without insulin, they can’t get any into their cells. Hence, they are effectively going into starvation. The body does what it would do in anyone – it starts to make ketones out of fat and proteins. Here’s the problem: the diabetic patient in this case can’t produce any insulin, so there is no feedback loop and they continue to produce more and more ketones without stopping. By the time ketone levels (specifically, beta-hydroxybutyrate) approach 15 to 25 mM, the resulting pH imbalance leads to profound metabolic derangement and the patient is critically ill.
But this state of metabolic derangement is not actually possible in a person who can produce insulin, even in small amounts. The reason is that a feedback loop prevents the ketone level from getting high enough to cause the change in pH that leads to the cascade of bad problems. A person who is said to be “keto-adapted,” or in a state of nutritional ketosis, generally has beta-hydroxybutyrate levels between about 0.5 and 3.0 mM. This is far less than the levels required to cause harm through acid-base abnormalities.
If your sugar went that high, then there was something else going on that you're not telling us (ie - undiagnosed or uncontrolled diabetes), as that's extraordinarily high even by diabetic standards. (For those that don't use the mmol/L unit the OP described, 56 mmol/L is almost 1010 mg/dL. For perspective, the usual readings in mg/dL for blood glucose are in the 60-120 range, with "high" being anything above 120-140, depending on who's measuring and what research they're going by.)
Also, if you (general) already know you have diabetes and you're not already testing your blood sugar before and after every meal, and when you first get up in the morning, then you're just asking for trouble, regardless of your diet, medications, or lifestyle.
Now, while I am in full agreement that people should not dive head first into a ketogenic diet without doing their homework, please don't say that it's a "dangerous diet" and provide a vague story about how your blood sugar went up with no other information surrounding the circumstances by which it happened. Doing so is little more than scaremongering, and unfairly drives away people who could turn their health around with a properly executed ketogenic diet.0 -
Exactly why is a ketogenic diet dangerous?0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »Actually, properly executed, nutritional ketosis is not inherently dangerous. In fact, low carb, high fat diets were historically the way to treat diabetes, before the fat-phobia era and the increase in emphasis on drugs over meaningful lifestyle changes for management.
There is a dangerous state known as ketoacidosis, which can happen among Type 1 or very late stage Type 2 Diabetics, who can no longer produce insulin. There is also a dangerous state that Type 2 Diabetics are susceptible to called Hyperosmolar Syndrome, which is a state of elevated glucose and sodium in the blood, as the person gets increasingly dehydrated. Either of these can happen on any diet, due to the interaction of various hormones and foods on the body. However, they only happen in people who are already diabetic (and tend to be more common among those who are undiagnosed or aren't controlling their diabetes). HS also has a number of other factors that can cause/trigger it (again, regardless of diet).
From Dr. Peter Attia:What is diabetic ketoacidosis? When a diabetic (usually a Type I diabetic, but sometimes this occurs in very late-stage, insulin-dependent, Type II diabetics) fails to receive enough insulin, they go into an effective state of starvation. While they may have all the glucose in the world in their bloodstream, without insulin, they can’t get any into their cells. Hence, they are effectively going into starvation. The body does what it would do in anyone – it starts to make ketones out of fat and proteins. Here’s the problem: the diabetic patient in this case can’t produce any insulin, so there is no feedback loop and they continue to produce more and more ketones without stopping. By the time ketone levels (specifically, beta-hydroxybutyrate) approach 15 to 25 mM, the resulting pH imbalance leads to profound metabolic derangement and the patient is critically ill.
But this state of metabolic derangement is not actually possible in a person who can produce insulin, even in small amounts. The reason is that a feedback loop prevents the ketone level from getting high enough to cause the change in pH that leads to the cascade of bad problems. A person who is said to be “keto-adapted,” or in a state of nutritional ketosis, generally has beta-hydroxybutyrate levels between about 0.5 and 3.0 mM. This is far less than the levels required to cause harm through acid-base abnormalities.
If your sugar went that high, then there was something else going on that you're not telling us (ie - undiagnosed or uncontrolled diabetes), as that's extraordinarily high even by diabetic standards. (For those that don't use the mmol/L unit the OP described, 56 mmol/L is almost 1010 mg/dL. For perspective, the usual readings in mg/dL for blood glucose are in the 60-120 range, with "high" being anything above 120-140, depending on who's measuring and what research they're going by.)
Also, if you (general) already know you have diabetes and you're not already testing your blood sugar before and after every meal, and when you first get up in the morning, then you're just asking for trouble, regardless of your diet, medications, or lifestyle.
Now, while I am in full agreement that people should not dive head first into a ketogenic diet without doing their homework, please don't say that it's a "dangerous diet" and provide a vague story about how your blood sugar went up with no other information surrounding the circumstances by which it happened. Doing so is little more than scaremongering, and unfairly drives away people who could turn their health around with a properly executed ketogenic diet.
Lol looks like i struck a nerve lol
I did my research and went to diabetic nurses and specialists. Im just saying consult you doctors before jumping into this diet. "Google" wont have all the answers that you may need.
lol now breath lol
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I am going to be seeing a new diabetic dietician in a couple weeks. Ill bring up the keto diet and ask about it again. And if by chance i was miss informed by the local diabetic dietician i will report back and withdrawal my previous statement. But i do know that it is important to consult a dr before jumping into any fad diet. Especially if you have any pre-existing health issues have a great week 0
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Nicole_Mat6 wrote: »I am going to be seeing a new diabetic dietician in a couple weeks. Ill bring up the keto diet and ask about it again. And if by chance i was miss informed by the local diabetic dietician i will report back and withdrawal my previous statement. But i do know that it is important to consult a dr before jumping into any fad diet. Especially if you have any pre-existing health issues have a great week
I dont know if you struck a nerve per say but you are spouting stuff that's been scientifically proven to be wrong. While just about everyone agrees to check in with your doctor, the fact is most doctors are still using decades old guidelines that have been proven to be false. Check out the latest studies, Sweden's nutritional guidelines are based on them. So making a blanket statement that Keto is bad, because it was bad for you, when science has proven that incorrect is fairly presumptuous.
Keto and/or LCHF is often recommended by doctors who are current on the most recent information out there for those of us with Insulin resistance, high cholesterol, PCOS, etc. Scare tactics, because the diet didnt work for you or because you didnt execute it properly is probably not the best way to get your point across.
But your main point about checking with a doctor, who is familiar with current information and diet info, is a good point. They can run blood tests to help check for deficiencies or even give you blood tests, blood pressure, cholesterol, etc so you can see how much a new diet or lifestyle change changes everything, for good or for bad.
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Nicole_Mat6 wrote: »I am going to be seeing a new diabetic dietician in a couple weeks. Ill bring up the keto diet and ask about it again. And if by chance i was miss informed by the local diabetic dietician i will report back and withdrawal my previous statement. But i do know that it is important to consult a dr before jumping into any fad diet. Especially if you have any pre-existing health issues have a great week
I dont know if you struck a nerve per say but you are spouting stuff that's been scientifically proven to be wrong. While just about everyone agrees to check in with your doctor, the fact is most doctors are still using decades old guidelines that have been proven to be false. Check out the latest studies, Sweden's nutritional guidelines are based on them. So making a blanket statement that Keto is bad, because it was bad for you, when science has proven that incorrect is fairly presumptuous.
Keto and/or LCHF is often recommended by doctors who are current on the most recent information out there for those of us with Insulin resistance, high cholesterol, PCOS, etc. Scare tactics, because the diet didnt work for you or because you didnt execute it properly is probably not the best way to get your point across.
But your main point about checking with a doctor, who is familiar with current information and diet info, is a good point. They can run blood tests to help check for deficiencies or even give you blood tests, blood pressure, cholesterol, etc so you can see how much a new diet or lifestyle change changes everything, for good or for bad.
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Ha! I was prediabetic in Aug and my triglycerides are throu the roof. My doc actually recommended this type of diet! I also have PCOS and I have found that my sweet spot where I start to lose weight is when I eat <50 grams of carbs. My doc said that low carb diets are what she has found to help women with PCOS. Everyone loses weight differently it's about finding what works for you. Every Dr will say something different.0
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I eat low carb, and my physician is all for it as long as I get enough green leafy veggies and take a multivitamin. I am not super strict about it, but I am very mindful. My goal is less than 100 grams per day, I usually eat less than 50 per day. I go for high fiber items, and avoid potatoes (I make exceptions for sweet potatoes once in a while!), processed grains, and most sugar. I do allow myself very dark chocolate because it is much lower carb with the lower sugar, and I'm not tempted to eat a whole bar at once
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I would do your research and check with your doctor.... with that being said, I've done it twice and each time I lost 10 pounds in a week, then 3-4 the following week.... I've only kept it going two weeks but gave into my carb cravings each time.
I have no idea how far I could have gone! I have PCOS of course so it gave me crazy energy and I felt worlds better. Its up to you, good luck! 0 -
Ive been reading up on this diet because I know people that have done it successfully and have been able to continue to eat according to it.. I just know realistically its not something I'm going to be able to do forever (i love you, carbs!!). A balanced clean lifestyle has been working for me. The thing with a lot of diets, it seems, is that once you stop you gain the weight back.. or at least some of it.0
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AubrieCollins wrote: »Ive been reading up on this diet because I know people that have done it successfully and have been able to continue to eat according to it.. I just know realistically its not something I'm going to be able to do forever (i love you, carbs!!). A balanced clean lifestyle has been working for me. The thing with a lot of diets, it seems, is that once you stop you gain the weight back.. or at least some of it.
That's why you don't do diets, you make lifestyle changes. Following a ketogenic diet is a lifestyle change.
Also, the "I could never give up carbs" line is something pretty much everyone says before they try it. However, after a month or so of doing this, nearly everyone finds they don't want to go back to carbs. They find they feel better without them.
If you're interested in trying, but daunted by the idea of "giving up carbs forever," consider giving it a try for a month or two and see how you like it.
Regardless of what you decide to do for your way of eating, always remember that you choose what you do and don't eat. Even doing something like keto, it's not about what you "can" or "can't" eat, but what you choose to eat or not. It's a subtle difference, but an important one.0 -
I get that. I have tried in the past, but just know myself well enough to know that Id be setting myself up for failure. It does work for other people! I just don't think it's for me, and that's ok! Not everything is for everyone. I'm down 7.5 pounds in 11 days eating a 40% carb, 30% protein and 30% healthy fat plan. It works for me, but might not work for everyone.
I agree with the lifestyle change. That's why diets don't work.0 -
I follow LCHF which is very similar to keto and I've had fantastic results so far. I've done my research also and I haven't found much that says ketogenic diet is dangerous, quite the contrary. I'm not exactly an expert but the science behind it all makes perfect sense to me. If its done right, your blood sugars should become dramatically better.0
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If you are interested in a LCHF or Keto WOE, make sure to check out http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
great info especially in the dashboard for any kind of LCHF type WOE0
