Grrrr EMS people! (rant)
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In looking at the OP's log I have to wonder if the passing-out could have been due in large part to simply not eating enough calories. There are an awful lot of days in the past couple of weeks where she ate only ~800 calories. Most nutritionists will agree that an adult woman of any size or activity level requires a MINIMUM 1200/day (1200 is considered the base level for simply maintaining life functions on 0 activity). Frequently eating significantly below that without doctor's supervision is pretty disordered eating, regardless of carbs and/or nuts.
Hmmmm. There are lots of people that water fast for days and days. I have done 4 day fasts easily. I personally know someone that has done 9 days without fainting.
If you go to YouTube, there are people (mostly women) that water fast for over 20 days straight to lose weight. A normal sized person has enough fat on them to go 40 days with water only.
Unless she has other factors, I doubt lo-cal did it.
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Hmmmm. There are lots of people that water fast for days and days. I have done 4 day fasts easily. I personally know someone that has done 9 days without fainting.
If you go to YouTube, there are people (mostly women) that water fast for over 20 days straight to lose weight. A normal sized person has enough fat on them to go 40 days with water only.
Unless she has other factors, I doubt lo-cal did it.
Dan the Man from Michigan
The fact that people CAN do anything doesn't make it necessarily safe or healthy. There are people who have lost weight eating only McDonald's (google it) for a solid month, but that doesn't mean it's a wise idea.0 -
Hmmmm. There are lots of people that water fast for days and days. I have done 4 day fasts easily. I personally know someone that has done 9 days without fainting.
If you go to YouTube, there are people (mostly women) that water fast for over 20 days straight to lose weight. A normal sized person has enough fat on them to go 40 days with water only.
Unless she has other factors, I doubt lo-cal did it.
Dan the Man from Michigan
The fact that people CAN do anything doesn't make it necessarily safe or healthy. There are people who have lost weight eating only McDonald's (google it) for a solid month, but that doesn't mean it's a wise idea.
The discussion was whether lo cal will make her faint, not about safe or healthy. If NO calories won't make you faint, then why would you think less than 800 calories would make someone faint?
Dan the Man from Michigan
P.S. (Water fasting is very healthy. Google it)
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The discussion was whether lo cal will make her faint, not about safe or healthy. If NO calories won't make you faint, then why would you think less than 800 calories would make someone faint?
We don't know enough to know IF her calorie level could have led to the fainting episode, but everyone's quick to jump all over the EMS workers for what they may/may not have done wrong in the situation. No one is looking at the potential role the OP played in the scenario. SOME people can fast...and I imagine the ability to fast for any length of time or maintain below the # of calories to simply survive depends a lot upon age, gender, and overall body mass/fat makeup. What if the OP had been behind the wheel? I don't know...if I had an otherwise unexplained fainting episode I'd be in my PCP's office for assessment within 12 hours. Occam's Razor would point to calories and/or malnutrition as a major factor based upon the scarce knowledge we do have. If not that, then the OP should be concerned about other potential issues that should be addressed.0 -
The discussion was whether lo cal will make her faint, not about safe or healthy. If NO calories won't make you faint, then why would you think less than 800 calories would make someone faint?
We don't know enough to know IF her calorie level could have led to the fainting episode, but everyone's quick to jump all over the EMS workers for what they may/may not have done wrong in the situation. No one is looking at the potential role the OP played in the scenario. SOME people can fast...and I imagine the ability to fast for any length of time or maintain below the # of calories to simply survive depends a lot upon age, gender, and overall body mass/fat makeup. What if the OP had been behind the wheel? I don't know...if I had an otherwise unexplained fainting episode I'd be in my PCP's office for assessment within 12 hours. Occam's Razor would point to calories and/or malnutrition as a major factor based upon the scarce knowledge we do have. If not that, then the OP should be concerned about other potential issues that should be addressed.
If you read what she said, she has LOW BLOOD PRESSURE that makes her faint. This isnt new for her, it isnt unexplained, she has a bracelet that says low blood pressure and they read it as low blood sugar. That's why ppl are jumping on the EMS workers, cause they read it wrong, told her she fainted from low blood SUGAR even as she tried to explain it was low blood PRESSURE.
Dont give someone peanuts, or anything they dont have on them, especially if you arent able or willing to read the bracelet correctly.
Altho they made her upset by ignoring her real problem and making her eat something she didnt need to, and that anger might have increased her blood pressure. Maybe that was what they were trying to do to help her? /facepalm
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The discussion was whether lo cal will make her faint, not about safe or healthy. If NO calories won't make you faint, then why would you think less than 800 calories would make someone faint?
We don't know enough to know IF her calorie level could have led to the fainting episode, but everyone's quick to jump all over the EMS workers for what they may/may not have done wrong in the situation. No one is looking at the potential role the OP played in the scenario. SOME people can fast...and I imagine the ability to fast for any length of time or maintain below the # of calories to simply survive depends a lot upon age, gender, and overall body mass/fat makeup. What if the OP had been behind the wheel? I don't know...if I had an otherwise unexplained fainting episode I'd be in my PCP's office for assessment within 12 hours. Occam's Razor would point to calories and/or malnutrition as a major factor based upon the scarce knowledge we do have. If not that, then the OP should be concerned about other potential issues that should be addressed.
I actually don't have my license due to this, and I know exactly what caused it. I have a condition where my BP can suddenly drop. The fact that I eat very little sometimes is that I'm simply not hungry or I'm nauseated. My doc so long as it's not over a 7 day streak not to worry.0 -
Too few calories can definitely exacerbate low BP -- I know this due to my own low BP episodes. If I don't eat enough I'll see stars.0
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Too few calories can definitely exacerbate low BP -- I know this due to my own low BP episodes. If I don't eat enough I'll see stars.
Next time you see stars, you should check your blood glucose levels. What you describe is classic low BG, or hyperglycemia. Especially if you get it after strenuous exercise. You shouldn't be under 60.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Too few calories can definitely exacerbate low BP -- I know this due to my own low BP episodes. If I don't eat enough I'll see stars.
Next time you see stars, you should check your blood glucose levels. What you describe is classic low BG, or hyperglycemia. Especially if you get it after strenuous exercise. You shouldn't be under 60.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
It's not exercise-related. It's a standing from a seated position thing. My BP has always been low, but particularly so when my calories are under 1500 net and I'm losing weight at an acceptable rate. 1200 is the absolute lowest I can go before I find myself grabbing chair arms and walls.
Hyperglycemia is high blood sugar. Hypo is low. I tend towards reactive hypo, which is one reason keto works so well for me.0 -
Too few calories can definitely exacerbate low BP -- I know this due to my own low BP episodes. If I don't eat enough I'll see stars.
Next time you see stars, you should check your blood glucose levels. What you describe is classic low BG, or hyperglycemia. Especially if you get it after strenuous exercise. You shouldn't be under 60.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
It's not exercise-related. It's a standing from a seated position thing. My BP has always been low, but particularly so when my calories are under 1500 net and I'm losing weight at an acceptable rate. 1200 is the absolute lowest I can go before I find myself grabbing chair arms and walls.
Hyperglycemia is high blood sugar. Hypo is low. I tend towards reactive hypo, which is one reason keto works so well for me.
Dehydration can cause the symptoms you describe also. But it wouldn't hurt for you to check your BG when you see spots.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
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Next time you see stars, you should check your blood glucose levels. What
Dehydration can cause the symptoms you describe also. But it wouldn't hurt for you to check your BG when you see spots.
I hope this helps,
Dan the Man from Michigan
I'm definitely not good about drinking enough. When I do I feel like all I do is run to pee every 20 min. I have a ton of type 1 friends (I ride and fundraise for the JDRF), so I should see if one of them would lend me a spare BG meter for curiosity's sake.0 -
In looking at the OP's log I have to wonder if the passing-out could have been due in large part to simply not eating enough calories. There are an awful lot of days in the past couple of weeks where she ate only ~800 calories. Most nutritionists will agree that an adult woman of any size or activity level requires a MINIMUM 1200/day (1200 is considered the base level for simply maintaining life functions on 0 activity). Frequently eating significantly below that without doctor's supervision is pretty disordered eating, regardless of carbs and/or nuts.
Sorry, but you need to recheck the 1200 calorie thing. I'm a short middle-aged lady. My BMR is about 1000 to 1100 calories. My maintaining TDEE before exercise is around 1450 calories. If I ate the calories you think I need, I'd be as stout as a little stump, LOL!0 -
snarlingcoyote wrote: »In looking at the OP's log I have to wonder if the passing-out could have been due in large part to simply not eating enough calories. There are an awful lot of days in the past couple of weeks where she ate only ~800 calories. Most nutritionists will agree that an adult woman of any size or activity level requires a MINIMUM 1200/day (1200 is considered the base level for simply maintaining life functions on 0 activity). Frequently eating significantly below that without doctor's supervision is pretty disordered eating, regardless of carbs and/or nuts.
Sorry, but you need to recheck the 1200 calorie thing. I'm a short middle-aged lady. My BMR is about 1000 to 1100 calories. My maintaining TDEE before exercise is around 1450 calories. If I ate the calories you think I need, I'd be as stout as a little stump, LOL!
That's not my personal recommendation, that's pretty much standard across the board from the medical community. 1200 for adult women of any size, 1800 for men. Regardless of height, a person's organs and bodily functions still require a bare minimum # of calories.
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It's just recently been changed to 1000 I believe.
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