So I stopped being low-carb for a couple of weeks.
Metruis
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Financial crisis hit and it's just much cheaper to live on carbs. Now, during this time, I did keep an eye on my calories. I'm not exactly anal about tracking here, so it's not in the journal. I was eating around, eh, 1800 calories a day. I work out and I lift heavy, so I'm not exactly sedentary. If CICO worked, I would've kept losing.
I am presently a (not exactly happy about it) 4-5 pounds heavier.
This just reminds me how angry the calories-in-calories-out crowd makes me. I am literally incapable of losing weight without going low-carb. As soon as I have the budget to go back to my daily bacon and eggs extravaganza, I'll start losing weight again. And I was always full. Always satisfied. And oranges tasted like candy. I miss my eggs, avocados, bacon. Not my bulletproof coffee though because THAT I didn't drop, ahahaha, my coffee is gloriously full of fat and my skin is so soft since I started doing that.
It just makes me angry that the rest of the board is just all, "oh don't listen to the crazies" when some of us have been personal witness to the fact that our bodies need this to drop weight.
I remember picking up a can of pop and looking at it and seeing the carbs count and observing "that's what I aim for in a day." Scary.
If I go low carb, eating the same amount of calories, I'll have lost 1-2 pounds in a week. THEY CALLED ME MAD. But dayum, I can't wait to go back to eating low-carb. Even my asthma's kicked back into full stride with this "diet". Not looking forward to the keto-flu but I am looking forward to feeling more energetic and returning to my weight loss. So sad. Cheers.
I am presently a (not exactly happy about it) 4-5 pounds heavier.
This just reminds me how angry the calories-in-calories-out crowd makes me. I am literally incapable of losing weight without going low-carb. As soon as I have the budget to go back to my daily bacon and eggs extravaganza, I'll start losing weight again. And I was always full. Always satisfied. And oranges tasted like candy. I miss my eggs, avocados, bacon. Not my bulletproof coffee though because THAT I didn't drop, ahahaha, my coffee is gloriously full of fat and my skin is so soft since I started doing that.
It just makes me angry that the rest of the board is just all, "oh don't listen to the crazies" when some of us have been personal witness to the fact that our bodies need this to drop weight.
I remember picking up a can of pop and looking at it and seeing the carbs count and observing "that's what I aim for in a day." Scary.
If I go low carb, eating the same amount of calories, I'll have lost 1-2 pounds in a week. THEY CALLED ME MAD. But dayum, I can't wait to go back to eating low-carb. Even my asthma's kicked back into full stride with this "diet". Not looking forward to the keto-flu but I am looking forward to feeling more energetic and returning to my weight loss. So sad. Cheers.
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Keto flu is not a requirement. Drink broth, use NoSalt or MIO, and keep your electrolytes and water intake up, you shouldn't get it at all.0
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Hoping the best for you, and maybe since you already have been in keto before it won't be so bad.0
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I don't know how many people you are feeding, but I weigh the fact that I am less hungry (requiring less food) versus having to eat and eat and eat all that carby stuff. It might be cheaper to buy, but then...you have to buy more!
I have taken to buying meat when it gets marked down or is ridiculously on sale. I also shop at Aldi's for any veggies and dairy products (but not meat - for some reason their meat is very high).
My grocery budget is $150 a week for the four of us (and that includes incidentals like TP, dish soap, cat litter, etc.)
I also save by buying at the dollar stores - soap, lotions, and all. Then I have more $$ for food.
I have made it work without resorting to carb-laden foods.
However, if you have to get food from food pantries - I can see your point. That stuff is mostly carbs (aisles and aisles of BREAD, for Pete's sake!) If that is your situation, God bless you. May your fortunes soon change.0 -
Not being the devil's advocate, but could the 4-5 pounds gain be water weight? I've read something to the effect that low-carbers carry less glycogen and therefore weigh less, and that as soon as someone stops low carbing they automatically gain up to five kilos.
And apologies if this is false, by the way; I'm still new at this.0 -
Yeah, the gain after leaving LC is probably water weight, and the initial loss with LC is also water weight, but we don't talk about it much because both help the LC cause. The scale is messin' with you.0
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This doesn't sound like a real weight gain to me. It sounds like extra water stored with your refilled glycogen stores.0
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Yeah, the gain after leaving LC is probably water weight, and the initial loss with LC is also water weight, but we don't talk about it much because both help the LC cause. The scale is messin' with you.
Thanks for clearing that up. Uh... exactly how much water weight are we talking here (say per pound of bodyweight, if it can be expressed that way)?
And how long does the water loss continue after a person initially starts LC (i.e. at what point can a person assume they are losing 'real' weight)?
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It's very quick. You are pretty much glycogen depleted in 2-3 days (depending on how low your carb intake is). After that, it's the real thing.
There seem to be a couple of mechanisms. Glycogen is one. You add 3-4 grams of water for every gram of glycogen stored. There's probably also more water retained as sodium is retained in the kidney. The sodium leaves again when you start excreting ketones, and water will follow.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Yeah, the gain after leaving LC is probably water weight, and the initial loss with LC is also water weight, but we don't talk about it much because both help the LC cause. The scale is messin' with you.
Thanks for clearing that up. Uh... exactly how much water weight are we talking here (say per pound of bodyweight, if it can be expressed that way)?
And how long does the water loss continue after a person initially starts LC (i.e. at what point can a person assume they are losing 'real' weight)?
Assuming you're at a deficit, you're losing "real" weight from the start, it's just in combination with water. You'll also gain and lose water weight all the time throughout the month, whether you're on LC or not. It tends to get overblown, as if it's drastically different when you're LC. Reality is, any weight loss you start, the first week will be mostly (but not entirely) water weight. If you go off that weight loss plan of eating, what you gain back the first week will be mostly (but not entirely) water weight. Adding LC may boost it by a lb or two over not LC, but it's not like a normal eating change, you lose 2 lbs water and LC you lose 10.0 -
sljohnson1207 wrote: »This doesn't sound like a real weight gain to me. It sounds like extra water stored with your refilled glycogen stores.
Could easily be real weight. I gained 30lb in 4 months eating carbs. And not binge eating either, just the regular amount the rest of the family eats. Not even sweets or softdrink, but bread and pasta and stuff.
I can't lose weight if I don't go super low carb either. I tried the CICO method. tried from 1400 to 1800 cals and pretty much stayed the same weight, lose a kg, gain a kg, for MONTHS. Those people make me angry. Do they even science? Our bodies are SO much more complicated than the petrol tank on a car.0 -
sljohnson1207 wrote: »This doesn't sound like a real weight gain to me. It sounds like extra water stored with your refilled glycogen stores.
Could easily be real weight. I gained 30lb in 4 months eating carbs. And not binge eating either, just the regular amount the rest of the family eats. Not even sweets or softdrink, but bread and pasta and stuff.
I can't lose weight if I don't go super low carb either. I tried the CICO method. tried from 1400 to 1800 cals and pretty much stayed the same weight, lose a kg, gain a kg, for MONTHS. Those people make me angry. Do they even science? Our bodies are SO much more complicated than the petrol tank on a car.
Could be if she was eating way over her TDEE, but she said she wasn't, and was still watching her calories. It's 4-5 pounds. Every time I go off low carb for a vacation, I gain 5-10 lbs and it comes right back off in a week's time. In those cases it is likely mostly extra water and not real weight gain. Now, if anyone did like I did between Dec 2013 and June 2014 and ate carbs to my heart's content, I would believe it is real weight gain., but I gained 28 lbs in that time. That is 98,000 calories over my TDEE.
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I went off low carb once during this WOE and gained 800 grams, I thought that that bad! I think I would have wept if it had been a few kg.0
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I went back to some top dairy like cottage cheese and heavy whipping cream (a $4 quart is 3200 calorie of pure fat) that I can drink straight. Coconut oil is not too expensive. Meat is over the top price wise and I do boiled eggs.
The Huddle House is a favorite place for over easy eggs, sausage and bacon but so much more expensive than fast food for sure. I did drink four cups of coffee today with 24 of the 15-20 calorie half and half coffee cream so that was another 400-500 calories of fat and some protein.0 -
I'm ketoing on a pretty tight budget too. I'm eating lots of eggs and chicken gizzards. Hope that doesn't gross you Americans out but they are really really cheap. And fatty too. I'm hoping my fortune also turns before my last jar of coconut oil runs out. Any suggestions on how to keto on the cheap?0
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Keto on the cheap- Number of tips
1. Meal plan.
2. 2. Frozen meat generally cheaper.
3. 3.Choose generic brands and cheaper supermarkets is a big one. I shop at Aldi in the UK had a shock when I went to Waitrose. £4 for a fennel bulb!
4.Also check out ethnic i.e Indian shops for coconut oil or ghee. Apparently extra virgin does not mean much when it comes to coconut oil. You just need to check it has not been bleached- bleurgh!.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/266229-what-is-the-difference-between-virgin-extra-virgin-coconut-oil/
e.g. 250g KTC coconut oil from indian store £1.95 Tiana extra virgin coconut oil from ocado £8.950 -
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Maikanyenga wrote: »I'm ketoing on a pretty tight budget too. I'm eating lots of eggs and chicken gizzards. Hope that doesn't gross you Americans out but they are really really cheap. And fatty too. I'm hoping my fortune also turns before my last jar of coconut oil runs out. Any suggestions on how to keto on the cheap?
The answers will vary depending on where you live, but one thing you can check is Amazon for dry goods. Canned tuna/salmon/etc, peanut butter, sweeteners, anything you'd use from a box or can they have, potentially cheaper than the store, too, and if you spend enough in one order, the shipping is free.
Also (again, depending where you live), you may find things cheaper under different names. Powdered protein with a fancy bodybuilding brand on the label will cost 5 times as much as from a baking supply or homesteading company, but it's the same thing inside.0 -
I live in Johannesburg South Africa . Foodstuf is fairly cheap here so I have some options.
@samko I live in an area with a large Indian community so thanks for the Indian shop idea. I actually get my coconut flour there dead cheap but never thought to look for coconut oil*duh*
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