Is this a leptin thing?

gsp90x

Whoa, day two of zero carb and I feel like I could eat my arm... even though I know I'm not hungry!!! Man, I need this hunger signal to shut the hell up!!

I totally know I'm not hungry and don't even want to eat but my brain is SCREAMING for food!! Gah!!!!

What a weird and annoying sensation that is like to drive me mad!!. I almost feel like someone injected me with "hungry". My brain just keep saying "hungry, starving, hungry, eat, hungry, starving, dying, hungry, eat, eat, eat"

But the rest of me is like: "Yo, we're seriously not hungry and not intersted in eating, will you shut up". But I can't think of anything else.

I let myself eat liberally but I seriously don't wan't to eat anymore. Besides, the last bit I ate, I ate only to see if it would appease the tyrant. But to no avail. I just started to feel yucky.

Seriously! Any suggestions? I know I'm not in ketosis yet because of the carb binge before staring the challenge May 4th, but it's never been quite like this!

is this a leptin thing?

wabmester

I've never been in your shoes, so mostly I just want to send you good mojo. But I'll also tell you about itsthewooo. Google her if you don't already know about her. I LOVE her blog, but she's dangerous. Don't emulate her, but dig into her blog if you want to see how somebody has been dealing with a leptin deficiency for years (as well as a long-term keto diet). If nothing else, she's VERY entertaining.

DittoDan

So you have severe acid reflux, asthma (the former taken from another post you made) and now hunger pains. That can kinda dissuade you from a Keto diet?

From WebMD:

Leptin is a hormone, made by fat cells, that decreases your appetite. Ghrelin is a hormone that increases appetite, and also plays a role in body weight.

Doing low carb and avoiding grains should reduce your hunger.

The propensity to get Asthma increases the fatter you get. Conversely, you can get rid of asthma altogether by losing weight to a normal size. I have been to (3) bariatric seminars for morbidly obese people, and its something like 80%+ are cured of asthma after they lose the weight. I have lost 77 pounds since I started Keto (93 from my heaviest) and I have completely gone off my asthma medicine and don't get the weezing anymore.

I hope this helps,

Dan the Man from Michigan
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SuperSizeMeNot

leptin? whats that?

minties82

Could be lots of things. I sometimes feel like that for no apparent reason with no change to my diet or body weight.

gsp90x

@wabmester thanks very much, I will check it out. Any resource may offer insite to what "I" should do.
@minties82 yes, i agree and may just have to not know what it is, but maybe I can find something to aid it if it continues long term. Befor LCHF it was ALL. THE. TIME. So having it come back but in a slightly different vatiation is a bit demoralizing.

@DittoDan i was hoping you'd pop up.

Yes, all those things. I had them somewhat before keto but just in the last month or so they've all gotten worse.

What did not dissuade me was that at least, for the first time ever, I was not constantly hungry. It is morning now and the hunger has gone away (gracious gift) so I will keep on keepin on. Perhaps it was just a blip. I am not large enough to qualify for surgery but at this point its equally about weight as it is about getting my life back and feeling good. Last time I felt good and like me I was 14 years old. In any case, thanks for naming the two chemicals(?), hormones(?). Those were the two I was thinking of. Also for the encouragement that the Asthma will likely remedy itself if I can ever get this weight to come off. Yesterday however I walked 4.5km and only slight evidence of the asthma! Win! I've also been drinking ACV with water whenever I eat meat and so far so good!

Thanks folks!

yarwell

talecia2014 wrote: »

leptin? whats that?

a way to waste hours with no useful outcome. Nothing to see, move on ;-)

It's a hormone discovered in the 1990s, secreted by fat tissue, something to do with food intake regulation via the brain, maybe.

KnitOrMiss

gsp90x wrote: »

@wabmester thanks very much, I will check it out. Any resource may offer insite to what "I" should do.
@minties82 yes, i agree and may just have to not know what it is, but maybe I can find something to aid it if it continues long term. Befor LCHF it was ALL. THE. TIME. So having it come back but in a slightly different vatiation is a bit demoralizing.

@DittoDan i was hoping you'd pop up.

Yes, all those things. I had them somewhat before keto but just in the last month or so they've all gotten worse.

What did not dissuade me was that at least, for the first time ever, I was not constantly hungry. It is morning now and the hunger has gone away (gracious gift) so I will keep on keepin on. Perhaps it was just a blip. I am not large enough to qualify for surgery but at this point its equally about weight as it is about getting my life back and feeling good. Last time I felt good and like me I was 14 years old. In any case, thanks for naming the two chemicals(?), hormones(?). Those were the two I was thinking of. Also for the encouragement that the Asthma will likely remedy itself if I can ever get this weight to come off. Yesterday however I walked 4.5km and only slight evidence of the asthma! Win! I've also been drinking ACV with water whenever I eat meat and so far so good!

Thanks folks!

That may be your body adapting and it's old habit of sugar is fuel screaming at you. Try the pickle, pickle juice, salt, water, and fat things to help. It's weird, but when I get that screaming voice it could be related to something lacking for me that is treated by any of these things. But yeah, that compulsive voice used to rule my head - sugar was your drug of choice. Can you imagine real rehab? Gotta listen to some loud music or go for a walk and drown out that screaming voice that is panicking because you are killing it...

pkroyle

Could be carb flu symptoms, especially if you binged a couple of days ago. The more crap you put into your body, the more detox it has to go through. It's only day 2, so give it more time! You might also get headaches, nausea and general feelings of angriness. If candida is dying it will make you crave sugar to feed it. Your body is in a process of learning to fuel itself differently and there are definitely some negatice side effects to that. But pushing through and staying strong will benefit you in the long term!

Dragonwolf

wabmester wrote: »

I've never been in your shoes, so mostly I just want to send you good mojo. But I'll also tell you about itsthewooo. Google her if you don't already know about her. I LOVE her blog, but she's dangerous. Don't emulate her, but dig into her blog if you want to see how somebody has been dealing with a leptin deficiency for years (as well as a long-term keto diet). If nothing else, she's VERY entertaining.

Care to elaborate?

wabmester

Heh. Do you know of her? She's an RN, seems to know her biochem, has been a research subject, etc. Basically really knows her stuff, but she likes to experiment with psycho-actives, and her latest self-experiment was so dangerous that I feel it was irresponsible of her to even blog about it.

Anyway, she understands leptin better than just about anybody. For anyone who has previously lost a lot of weight and is now finding it difficult, it's worth understanding the effects of too little leptin and too much adiponectin. She went so far as to have fat cells surgically removed.

gsp90x

Well, I don't know. She seems pretty opinionated, that's for sure.
I just read through her blog post titles. A lot of them seem pretentious. Like she's trying to NOT be accessible to the vast majority of the public. But I have to say the Bleach Diet and using peroxide in you GI tract? Definitely not mainstream, that's for sure. Like they say, if you're going to write, make them love you or hate you but don't leave them indifferent. Maybe she's taken that to heart.

wabmester

She's one of the few bloggers who's not trying to sell you something, so that's probably partly why she speaks so, ehrm, freely. The downside of her message is that long-term weight loss is difficult due to the hormonal signaling involved, but the upside is that she's been able to maintain a dramatic weight loss for over 10 years now by staying low-carb.

Dragonwolf

wabmester wrote: »

Heh. Do you know of her? She's an RN, seems to know her biochem, has been a research subject, etc. Basically really knows her stuff, but she likes to experiment with psycho-actives, and her latest self-experiment was so dangerous that I feel it was irresponsible of her to even blog about it.

Anyway, she understands leptin better than just about anybody. For anyone who has previously lost a lot of weight and is now finding it difficult, it's worth understanding the effects of too little leptin and too much adiponectin. She went so far as to have fat cells surgically removed.

Ah, alrighty then. I hadn't heard of her that I recall, but wasn't seeing anything immediately in my initial perusal of her site, other than her rather colorful titles and tags. Apparently I just hadn't happened upon those posts yet.

gsp90x wrote: »

Well, I don't know. She seems pretty opinionated, that's for sure.
I just read through her blog post titles. A lot of them seem pretentious. Like she's trying to NOT be accessible to the vast majority of the public.

When you deal with hater groups/bloggers like carbsane and militant vegans/CICO people long enough, you tend to quit caring about being nice.

gsp90x

I thought I would just update in case anyone in the future randomly comes across this thread (not likely as they all get lost in the ether).

So, the ACV was working a bit. Certainly gave me my sanity back for a while. Yesterday I broke down while at the pharmacy getting more ketostix and I bought a bottle of digestive enzymes. They don't contain the pepsin like in the other product I was using but, I take two each time I eat and it's getting noticeably better. And what seems to be an interesting side effect, is the problem I had swallowing meat is getting less painful. Before, swallowing meat was often painful on the way down. Sometimes it would take some heavy concentration to get it to go down and I could feel when (sometimes after 1-2 minutes of focusing) it would finally pass into my stomach! Sometimes, it just came back up the way it went in and that was that for the time being. Now, I realize I don't even think about it. Every now and then I notice it but no biggie.

AND!!! Today I did my first session in the couch to 5k running program!!!! A victory in and of itself but given the severity of the asthma the last few weeks, this seems like a miracle!! A miracle I tell you! I did the entire thing without even a twinge of asthma symptoms! All shortness of breath was 100% attributed to 3 years of sittin' on my butt! Booya!!! What an amazing day!