TMI inside but need suggestions from meativores
gsp90x
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Ok.
It's finally happened.
It was NOT a fart.
And it was traumatic.
I just finished two weeks of zero carb, eating:
meat, eggs, butter, bacon, coffee, water and a bit of mayo with deviled eggs.
In every other respect I feel better than EVER in my life, I even started running again with zero problems but...
Since starting my bowel movements were not really solid.
The last few days, I notice weakness in my body on runs. If I get horizontal I fall asleep into almost a food coma (no food needed) meaning, I COULD stay there all day, when I get up I feel like crap for a bit but them am fine. But more annoying is ... I cannot stray very far from the bathroom for very long. We're talking half an hour tops, with the threatening feeling even then.
Anyone else experience this? More the bathroom stuff, but thought I would include the other symptoms just in case they're connected.
It's finally happened.
It was NOT a fart.
And it was traumatic.
I just finished two weeks of zero carb, eating:
meat, eggs, butter, bacon, coffee, water and a bit of mayo with deviled eggs.
In every other respect I feel better than EVER in my life, I even started running again with zero problems but...
Since starting my bowel movements were not really solid.
The last few days, I notice weakness in my body on runs. If I get horizontal I fall asleep into almost a food coma (no food needed) meaning, I COULD stay there all day, when I get up I feel like crap for a bit but them am fine. But more annoying is ... I cannot stray very far from the bathroom for very long. We're talking half an hour tops, with the threatening feeling even then.
Anyone else experience this? More the bathroom stuff, but thought I would include the other symptoms just in case they're connected.
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I read in the launch pad that it is due to not eating enough fat (high protein, low carb, low fat)...you're body goes into a "rabbit starvation". I am mot sure how to post the link 0
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I had to giggle a little bit because in our house we call that a "shart". A *kitten*/fart. Hope you feel better soon.0
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This isn't going to be rabbit starvation. Rabbit starvation is very difficult to achieve unless you're trying. You need truly monumental amounts of protein in the abscence of fat and/or carbs. It is something that you wouldn't accidentally do.0
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Running is pretty well known for causing this sort of issue (loose stools). Couple that with the changes in your gut flora, the lack of fiber and other "binding" agents, and the increase in fats--and you've got a perfect storm brewing. It's likely your body was coping with the changes just fine, until the added stress of the running, which can overwhelm even an already well adjusted and balanced colon.
As for the weakness on runs, it could depend on how low carb you were before. Adaptation to get back to your original level of athletic performance will take some time. The more drastic the current reduction in carbs, the longer you can expect before you're back where you were or beyond. It will return, but it takes more than a couple weeks. If the desire to lay-about also increased/started around the time you introduced running again, I would suspect that you're just pushing yourself too hard right now.
Best advice? Well, you have to listen to your own body. Shorter runs, slower runs, less frequent runs, whatever, but you need to find a way to tune the exercise level down to what your body can handle. It's probably not what you want to hear. Most people don't want to stop or reduce exercising. But, it's not permanent. It's just a temporary slowdown while your body is investing energy in a new, better, fuel solution.0 -
I love FIT_Goat's advice! Adjustments are required for just about every level of low carb. When your body is telling you to slow down by making you sit just know that it's busy, working to repair years of carbage damage. It's almost like recovering from a surgical procedure. It gets better.0
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This isn't going to be rabbit starvation. Rabbit starvation is very difficult to achieve unless you're trying. You need truly monumental amounts of protein in the abscence of fat and/or carbs. It is something that you wouldn't accidentally do.
Yeah, it looks like a FAQ is in order to replace that link. Nothing is going to be 100% perfect unless we do it ourselves. So I suppose that's something I can work on. The link was spot on on almost everything else.
I had the runs (and I ain't talkin' about going for a jog) for days and days when I first started keto many moons ago. You adapt, and it will get better. Until then, never trust a fart. Actually, that's good advice to keep in mind all the time. Farts...not to be trusted.
Exercising as hard as usual whenever your body is adapting to a change in diet is going to affect your performance and not positively. Go easy on yourself.
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I have never experienced this issue, as I have the opposite problem with LCHF, plus a history of constipation anyway. Also, I hate running, but when I've had to do it, it does not move my bowels like others say experience. It just does not work for me. Very intense exercise does nothing in that regard for me.
I think you got really good advice from Fit Goat and others, but I do want to point out how many times he uses the word "runs" in his post. It just tickled me. So punny.0 -
baconslave wrote: »You adapt, and it will get better. Until then, never trust a fart. Actually, that's good advice to keep in mind all the time. Farts...not to be trusted.
I just wanted to thank you for the laugh. I literally laughed out loud.
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sljohnson1207 wrote: »I think you got really good advice from Fit Goat and others, but I do want to point out how many times he uses the word "runs" in his post. It just tickled me. So punny.
LOL, I didn't think anyone would notice. I might have over-done the different types of runs at the end there.
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sljohnson1207 wrote: »I think you got really good advice from Fit Goat and others, but I do want to point out how many times he uses the word "runs" in his post. It just tickled me. So punny.
LOL, I didn't think anyone would notice. I might have over-done the different types of runs at the end there.
Bwahahahahah!
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Hmmm... I appreciate this and do understand that all the changes could very well be the culprit.
I'm just a little frustrated because I was literally brimming with energy the first two week on the zero carb. WAY more than on low carb. It was really just day 12 that I was week on the run. That would have been my 6th run on zero carb and .... my 6th run ever since oh say 3 years. So yes, I started running my first day of zero carb cause I just felt that darned good!
Needless to day, 12 days in and 6 runs later with remarkable weakness AND the sharts! I'm on day three of extreeme lethargy that I can't seem to shake. Even worse than keto flu.
I do have chronic fatigue and it feels like maybe one of the big bouts that I used to get eons ago. Hmmm... maybe the diet change and the running all of a sudden kinda over did it and my body is "backlashing". That could be possible. Just some big changes all of a sudden and my body is going "whaaaaaht! what do you think you're doing?"
Today I did an experiement to see how long I would sleep if I just let myself sleep. it is now 3:30 pm. I'm still tired but tired of sleeping.
I had to resort to some Pepto Bismol for the trots though as I couldn't sleep at night. It just wouldn't stop!
I took it yesterday and I'm fine today. I'm going to skip the run today and see how I am tomorrow.
I used to run 1/2 marathons and shorter triathlons a way back and never had bowel problems so this was new info to me.
OH yes, and I've decided to stop coffee. I almost ALWAYS only drink decaff. That's all we have at home, but, just in case that's the culprit, I'll give it a week trial. I'm wondering if that triggered the problem. Stools had always been loose since the beginning of LCHF but not to this extent. Then Friday I ran out of coffee, had a full caffeine on somewhere 2x that day. Then saturday morning had a huge one with caffeine. Then Saturday afternoon was the weak run day and the trots started. Do you think that might have done it? I'm more convinced it may have caused the trots as opposed to the weakness and fatigue??
Sorry this is a little all over the place... that's kind of how I feel trying to sort it out.0 -
If they were that bad I'm thinking you caught noro-virus.0
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noro-virus?
It could just have been a fluke thing. They were pretty bad. Basically whenever I had to move around. So... maybe that's it. I'm fine now. Actually, better than fine.0 -
I was suffering from severe constipation for months. Only having bowel movements once a week after drinking magnesium carbonite. (sp?). Anyway, it was ridiculous. I'm in the start of my 3rd week of LCHF and I have bowel movements every day, and some days they are only 30min-1hr AFTER I eat. They are very loose. I'm not complaining though. Going the bathroom frequently is MUCH better than not going at all! I imagine my body will find a medium ground.
I was doing Kickboxing 3x a week, but once I started LCHF I noticed that I couldn't trust my bowel to cooperate with my fitness schedule. So, for the last two weeks I just take laps around my apartment complex so that if I need to find a bathroom asap that I'm not too far away from home. Once I can get through exercise after I eat without any emergencies then I will go back to my kickboxing classes (which I miss).0 -
noro-virus?
It could just have been a fluke thing. They were pretty bad. Basically whenever I had to move around. So... maybe that's it. I'm fine now. Actually, better than fine.
Yes, it causes severe watery diarrhea, sometimes cramps, and in children usually causes vomiting. I live in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, and pretty much every person I work with and their families have had it this winter. It's very contagious. I had it bad, too. It only lasted 24 hours or so for me, but many folks I know had it for days. Whatever it was/is, I'm glad you are feeling better now.
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It could have been norovirus. That would be an unfortunate coincidence. I actually caught the flu three weeks after going keto. LMAO, can you imagine how angry I was that the "keto-flu" wasn't getting better but actually was getting way worse? Turns out, the keto flu had left the building and it was just unfortunate that the flu happened to hit my classroom at that week in time.
Also, FYI, the keto-flu doesn't even begin to compare to the real things.
The severe exhaustion and the extent the problem with the runs suggests that it could, very well, be virus related and not diet. I say that especially with the sleeping thing. I've been "tired" after pushing myself too hard at the start, but I could never sleep all day unless I was sick.0 -
ok so here's another check in, in case someone else has this problem and is looking at all possible solutions.
It is possible it was the virus. I don't have an explanation for the tiredness.
BUT I do have a concrete, unfortunate answer for the runs.
it was the coffee. More specifically the caffeine.
I have since tested this 3 times and it has proven perfectly, unfortunately and miserably true each time.
for a long time I have only used decaf coffee at home and rare drink coffee while I'm out, though I did. It seems for some reason my body has just decided it doesn't like caffeine either. Rather inconvenient as that was one of the things other than water that I could drink at a restaurant.
so, decaf at home seems fine.
Decaf at a restaurant is hit and miss, but usually just makes unhappy noises and no emergencies.
Full caf coffee from anywhere is going to ruin my next two days.
Black tea, I can get away with one double strength (so one cup brewed with two tea bags) for loaded tea per day. It will still make "noise" down there and threaten, but rarely causes emergencies.
As we'll be travelling a lot this summer.... this is good to know.
And finally pepto bismol is my friend. If I do happen to accidentally get a full caf. 2 chewable pepto will help within a reasonably short time.
Otherwise, following these rules, I'm better than I was before. My energy is back to normal (well except this week as it's shark week and this shark week is being brutal)
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Ahh the wonders of caffeine.
This is why my cure for eating too much cheese is to down a pot of coffee. I'm obviously less sensitive to caffeine than you are, but it gets even my jaded system moving in the right amounts.
At least you have an idea now. It is worse to not know what it causing it.0 -
They don't call coffee "Nature's Ex-Lax" for no reason....lol0
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