News article: "Can a low-carb, high-fat diet help fight diabetes?"
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This story ran in the mainstream Indianapolis newspaper this weekend about a weight loss clinic in Indiana with a LCHF focus. I thought some here might find it interesting & encouraging.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/09/27/can-low-carb-high-fat-diet-help-fight-diabetes/72923878/
Here's a link to the TedX-Purdue University talk the physician did last May: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ
Happy Monday, everyone!
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/09/27/can-low-carb-high-fat-diet-help-fight-diabetes/72923878/
Here's a link to the TedX-Purdue University talk the physician did last May: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ
Happy Monday, everyone!
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I love the fact that the doctor interviewed said that it boggles her mind that the diet and lifestyle change is ignored in favor of medication. Of course it would. A change in diet and lifestyle is more or less free. Medicine costs money. Medicine that manages a chronic condition instead of curing a disease costs money for life. Of course doctors/pharmaceutical companies would rather create repeat customers.0
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Insulin is tough on the body to take per my doctor
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What a great article ! Thanks for posting it!aSearch4Me wrote: »This story ran in the mainstream Indianapolis newspaper this weekend about a weight loss clinic in Indiana with a LCHF focus. I thought some here might find it interesting & encouraging.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/09/27/can-low-carb-high-fat-diet-help-fight-diabetes/72923878/
Here's a link to the TedX-Purdue University talk the physician did last May: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da1vvigy5tQ
Happy Monday, everyone!
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I just found it hilarious, because a local family member who gave me A LOT of grief when I started this WOE 4 months ago ("that's soooo unhealthy", "you're just going to gain it back", "you're going to have a heart attack at 35"... yada yada ad nauseum), was talking about the article at the dinner table yesterday like she had discovered something great & new...lol.
I just kept my eyes on my buttered steak to keep from rolling my eyes in a sarcastic fashion...
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LCHF did not fight type 2 diabetes for me, IT CURED IT!!!
Started LCHF May 1, 2014 and within 3 days my blood glucose went down and within 1 1/2 months my doctor cut all my diabetes meds. On my last visit to my doctor he said I was no longer diabetic and he was resolving the diagnosis to non-diabetic. He told me I am only the second person he has done that with and both of us used LCHF to do it.0 -
LCHF did not fight type 2 diabetes for me, IT CURED IT!!!
Started LCHF May 1, 2014 and within 3 days my blood glucose went down and within 1 1/2 months my doctor cut all my diabetes meds. On my last visit to my doctor he said I was no longer diabetic and he was resolving the diagnosis to non-diabetic. He told me I am only the second person he has done that with and both of us used LCHF to do it.
Amazing! So many people need to know about this. So few do.0 -
LCHF did not fight type 2 diabetes for me, IT CURED IT!!!
Started LCHF May 1, 2014 and within 3 days my blood glucose went down and within 1 1/2 months my doctor cut all my diabetes meds. On my last visit to my doctor he said I was no longer diabetic and he was resolving the diagnosis to non-diabetic. He told me I am only the second person he has done that with and both of us used LCHF to do it.
Wow! That is so cool! Congratulations! And kudos to your doctor for recognizing a solution for you.
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This is basically where my doc and nutritionist come from. Its fantastic! It also shows that there are more than one theory to which one is right or wrong. I go with Dr. Hallberg!
PS I'm going to share this article with family and friends!0 -
LCHF seems to have stopped my prediabetes too.
I wish my old doctors had seem that. My endocrinologist told me to eat more fruits and veggies, leaner meat, and follow up with my GP. I never went back. LOL0 -
Thanks for sharing the article. It is encouraging for the future health of the country. Getting off sugar and all grains was a game changer for me at the age of 63.0
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"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think it is tough. Then again, I think anything not involving as much cake and ice cream as I want to eat every day is tough. Even though I know it improves my energy and mood to avoid these foods.
And avoiding the cake and ice cream doesn't sound nearly as tough as going blind and losing limbs and then dying horribly and painfully from the effects of diabetes sounds.
Imagine if we still had the Fairness Doctrine and after every Nutella commercial we got to see what a gangrenous diabetic foot looks like?0 -
I love the fact that the doctor interviewed said that it boggles her mind that the diet and lifestyle change is ignored in favor of medication. Of course it would. A change in diet and lifestyle is more or less free. Medicine costs money. Medicine that manages a chronic condition instead of curing a disease costs money for life. Of course doctors/pharmaceutical companies would rather create repeat customers.
SO GLAD TO KNOW I NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HOLDS THIS VIEWPOINT!!!! Hear, hear!0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think it is tough. Then again, I think anything not involving as much cake and ice cream as I want to eat every day is tough. Even though I know it improves my energy and mood to avoid these foods.
And avoiding the cake and ice cream doesn't sound nearly as tough as going blind and losing limbs and then dying horribly and painfully from the effects of diabetes sounds.
Imagine if we still had the Fairness Doctrine and after every Nutella commercial we got to see what a gangrenous diabetic foot looks like?
That's what I mean though. No matter what, they tell you to change your diet and it's tough for pretty much everyone. And you're right, if someone thinks not having carbs is tough, well it's gonna be a sad day when life gets really tough because of disability.
I see this happening with my sister.
A few years ago it was "I'm just hypoglycemic, I just need to eat this high sugar/carb food and I'll be fine." Then it became "I've gained so much weight and I'm in a lot of pain from fibromyalgia and arthritis so I can't do anything about it". Then it was "I'm pre-diabetic and I don't want to take medicine because of the bad side effects so there's nothing I can do about it". Now it's "I'm diabetic and on medicine so I'll get better now, but I don't feel good and my pain is worse than ever and I just keep gaining weight. Pass me the sugar so I can put more in this sweet tea cuz it doesn't taste like it has any in it".
Her life is becoming increasingly difficult and painful and the hardest thing in the world she can think of doing is not having her sweets and satisfying every craving.0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think it is tough. Then again, I think anything not involving as much cake and ice cream as I want to eat every day is tough. Even though I know it improves my energy and mood to avoid these foods.
And avoiding the cake and ice cream doesn't sound nearly as tough as going blind and losing limbs and then dying horribly and painfully from the effects of diabetes sounds.
Imagine if we still had the Fairness Doctrine and after every Nutella commercial we got to see what a gangrenous diabetic foot looks like?
That's what I mean though. No matter what, they tell you to change your diet and it's tough for pretty much everyone. And you're right, if someone thinks not having carbs is tough, well it's gonna be a sad day when life gets really tough because of disability.
I see this happening with my sister.
A few years ago it was "I'm just hypoglycemic, I just need to eat this high sugar/carb food and I'll be fine." Then it became "I've gained so much weight and I'm in a lot of pain from fibromyalgia and arthritis so I can't do anything about it". Then it was "I'm pre-diabetic and I don't want to take medicine because of the bad side effects so there's nothing I can do about it". Now it's "I'm diabetic and on medicine so I'll get better now, but I don't feel good and my pain is worse than ever and I just keep gaining weight. Pass me the sugar so I can put more in this sweet tea cuz it doesn't taste like it has any in it".
Her life is becoming increasingly difficult and painful and the hardest thing in the world she can think of doing is not having her sweets and satisfying every craving.
Been there, done that!!!
Got my loud wake up call.
Moving on down the road!!!
It's a shame it works that way.
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KenSmith108 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think it is tough. Then again, I think anything not involving as much cake and ice cream as I want to eat every day is tough. Even though I know it improves my energy and mood to avoid these foods.
And avoiding the cake and ice cream doesn't sound nearly as tough as going blind and losing limbs and then dying horribly and painfully from the effects of diabetes sounds.
Imagine if we still had the Fairness Doctrine and after every Nutella commercial we got to see what a gangrenous diabetic foot looks like?
That's what I mean though. No matter what, they tell you to change your diet and it's tough for pretty much everyone. And you're right, if someone thinks not having carbs is tough, well it's gonna be a sad day when life gets really tough because of disability.
I see this happening with my sister.
A few years ago it was "I'm just hypoglycemic, I just need to eat this high sugar/carb food and I'll be fine." Then it became "I've gained so much weight and I'm in a lot of pain from fibromyalgia and arthritis so I can't do anything about it". Then it was "I'm pre-diabetic and I don't want to take medicine because of the bad side effects so there's nothing I can do about it". Now it's "I'm diabetic and on medicine so I'll get better now, but I don't feel good and my pain is worse than ever and I just keep gaining weight. Pass me the sugar so I can put more in this sweet tea cuz it doesn't taste like it has any in it".
Her life is becoming increasingly difficult and painful and the hardest thing in the world she can think of doing is not having her sweets and satisfying every craving.
Been there, done that!!!
Got my loud wake up call.
Moving on down the road!!!
It's a shame it works that way. OR
I know. I just wish people struggling could know what so many here have learned. I wish people didn't have to get so sick before they decide to help themselves.0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think it is tough. Then again, I think anything not involving as much cake and ice cream as I want to eat every day is tough. Even though I know it improves my energy and mood to avoid these foods.
And avoiding the cake and ice cream doesn't sound nearly as tough as going blind and losing limbs and then dying horribly and painfully from the effects of diabetes sounds.
Imagine if we still had the Fairness Doctrine and after every Nutella commercial we got to see what a gangrenous diabetic foot looks like?
That's what I mean though. No matter what, they tell you to change your diet and it's tough for pretty much everyone. And you're right, if someone thinks not having carbs is tough, well it's gonna be a sad day when life gets really tough because of disability.
I see this happening with my sister.
A few years ago it was "I'm just hypoglycemic, I just need to eat this high sugar/carb food and I'll be fine." Then it became "I've gained so much weight and I'm in a lot of pain from fibromyalgia and arthritis so I can't do anything about it". Then it was "I'm pre-diabetic and I don't want to take medicine because of the bad side effects so there's nothing I can do about it". Now it's "I'm diabetic and on medicine so I'll get better now, but I don't feel good and my pain is worse than ever and I just keep gaining weight. Pass me the sugar so I can put more in this sweet tea cuz it doesn't taste like it has any in it".
Her life is becoming increasingly difficult and painful and the hardest thing in the world she can think of doing is not having her sweets and satisfying every craving.
Sounds like my in-laws. It's so disheartening to have the solution to their problems and not being able to get them to even try for a month.Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think they do it intentionally. They put out the headlines to get people to read and talk about it, because people are doing it and starting to talk about it anyway, but then plant the "but it's really hard (*whispering voice* and could be dangerous *end whispering voice*)" seed to keep people toeing the ADA/AHA/Pharma party line. They try to have their cake and eat it too, basically, so they can say "but see? We say it's a good thing (for the people that can stick with it)!"I love the fact that the doctor interviewed said that it boggles her mind that the diet and lifestyle change is ignored in favor of medication. Of course it would. A change in diet and lifestyle is more or less free. Medicine costs money. Medicine that manages a chronic condition instead of curing a disease costs money for life. Of course doctors/pharmaceutical companies would rather create repeat customers.
I'm starting to think it's a long game for population control while making bank off of the populace in the meantime. Get them fat and sick before they even hit puberty, and they'll die of it or the drugs at a younger and younger age. Picture what it will look like in about a century -- people die young enough, and you don't have this three-generation workforce, because two of the generations are dead, and you have a population a third of the size it is now (and no, birth rate isn't likely to go up drastically to compensate, with sickness comes reduced fertility and increased miscarriage rates).0 -
Many people forget or don't realize healthcare is a business.0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »I'm starting to think it's a long game for population control while making bank off of the populace in the meantime. Get them fat and sick before they even hit puberty, and they'll die of it or the drugs at a younger and younger age. Picture what it will look like in about a century -- people die young enough, and you don't have this three-generation workforce, because two of the generations are dead, and you have a population a third of the size it is now (and no, birth rate isn't likely to go up drastically to compensate, with sickness comes reduced fertility and increased miscarriage rates).
SO THIS!!!! I've held this thought personally for the past year. I usually don't openly express because it sounds sounds rather conspiracy theory to other people. Just our good ol' government in its myriad forms helping us die right on time (according to THEIR schedules). Thank you very much but no, I'll pass on that option and stick to my own scheduled LONG, HEALTHY, HAPPY life. lol0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think it is tough. Then again, I think anything not involving as much cake and ice cream as I want to eat every day is tough. Even though I know it improves my energy and mood to avoid these foods.
And avoiding the cake and ice cream doesn't sound nearly as tough as going blind and losing limbs and then dying horribly and painfully from the effects of diabetes sounds.
Imagine if we still had the Fairness Doctrine and after every Nutella commercial we got to see what a gangrenous diabetic foot looks like?
That's what I mean though. No matter what, they tell you to change your diet and it's tough for pretty much everyone. And you're right, if someone thinks not having carbs is tough, well it's gonna be a sad day when life gets really tough because of disability.
I see this happening with my sister.
A few years ago it was "I'm just hypoglycemic, I just need to eat this high sugar/carb food and I'll be fine." Then it became "I've gained so much weight and I'm in a lot of pain from fibromyalgia and arthritis so I can't do anything about it". Then it was "I'm pre-diabetic and I don't want to take medicine because of the bad side effects so there's nothing I can do about it". Now it's "I'm diabetic and on medicine so I'll get better now, but I don't feel good and my pain is worse than ever and I just keep gaining weight. Pass me the sugar so I can put more in this sweet tea cuz it doesn't taste like it has any in it".
Her life is becoming increasingly difficult and painful and the hardest thing in the world she can think of doing is not having her sweets and satisfying every craving.
Sounds like my in-laws. It's so disheartening to have the solution to their problems and not being able to get them to even try for a month.Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think they do it intentionally. They put out the headlines to get people to read and talk about it, because people are doing it and starting to talk about it anyway, but then plant the "but it's really hard (*whispering voice* and could be dangerous *end whispering voice*)" seed to keep people toeing the ADA/AHA/Pharma party line. They try to have their cake and eat it too, basically, so they can say "but see? We say it's a good thing (for the people that can stick with it)!"I love the fact that the doctor interviewed said that it boggles her mind that the diet and lifestyle change is ignored in favor of medication. Of course it would. A change in diet and lifestyle is more or less free. Medicine costs money. Medicine that manages a chronic condition instead of curing a disease costs money for life. Of course doctors/pharmaceutical companies would rather create repeat customers.
I'm starting to think it's a long game for population control while making bank off of the populace in the meantime. Get them fat and sick before they even hit puberty, and they'll die of it or the drugs at a younger and younger age. Picture what it will look like in about a century -- people die young enough, and you don't have this three-generation workforce, because two of the generations are dead, and you have a population a third of the size it is now (and no, birth rate isn't likely to go up drastically to compensate, with sickness comes reduced fertility and increased miscarriage rates).
OMG! I had this same discussion with my daughters yesterday! My younger one, a high school senior needs to present a paper about a current event and her sister was joking that she should talk about the health epidemic and how food relates and that with so much information supporting lchf diet being the solution, the government must simply be ignoring this information, but why?
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On CBC Radio1 the other day, there was an interview with a scientist from a San Francisco University (prob there's more than one, I'm Canadian
) who was talking about old mice and young mice (relative human ages = 60's and 20's) who were surgically attached so that their blood would mingle and they could see any effects (looking at aging in the brain). Turns out the younger mouse began to get age related spatial awareness difficulties and the older mouse began to 'act' younger and had a better maze memory (spatial awareness). Anyhow, showing how much our blood affects what happens in our aging brains. As an aside they mentioned matter-of-factly that lowering carbs is a must for brain health, especially as we age. So many people (even docs) don't have a clue about this. 0 -
Dragonwolf if I could disagree with your take on things I would then call your last paragraph SICK.
I was asking myself the same thing this week. Seeing 10 year old boys and girls that look to weigh 200 pounds just makes me sick. I know a 30 year old that was put on statins 20 years ago.
How could this mess be a simple accident. Three were getting out of a car at a dental office and they were all exceptional large (hey I was there not long ago). The driver was about 20, front passenger was about 40 and the one in the rear seat was about 60. It was perhaps a mom, daughter and granddaughter. I am guessing the 20 and 40 year old ones were at risk from the get go due to the home environment.
The VA wanted me to go on statins with 115 triglycerides, 55 HDL because LDL is 316 but they will not test to see the size of the LDL particles. It is blowing their minds how LDL can be high when the other numbers have improved so much and are well within normal limits (WNL). They knew I weighed in 45 pounds less than than a year earlier and that I was LCHF.0 -
TerrierFriend wrote: »Many people forget or don't realize healthcare is a business.
I call it the Sickcare system. Seriously - hospitals, doctors offices, clinics, and especially pharmaceutical companies benefit from us being sick and needing more services/procedures/visits/medications. Its driven by our payment system (insurance). There is absolutely NO incentive for sick care (oops, I mean healthcare) providers to provide preventive care that would reduce the number of visits/procedures/medications. I worked for the last two years in an integrated (mental and primary) care clinic and it was horrifying to me to learn more about how the payment systems work. Until our insurance structure undergoes some serious changes (maybe a single payor system) people will continue to be misinformed and just put on loads of meds.
My mom is also very overweight and has diabetes (Type2). She gasped when I told her a few weeks ago that I was increasing my fat (can't wait to tell her I'm drinking cream in my coffee and putting butter on everything) because it helps with so many things, particularly depression. She doesn't do anything the doctors don't advise. Same with my husband, who (like me) also has a fair amount of body fat to lose. AAARGH!0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think it is tough. Then again, I think anything not involving as much cake and ice cream as I want to eat every day is tough. Even though I know it improves my energy and mood to avoid these foods.
And avoiding the cake and ice cream doesn't sound nearly as tough as going blind and losing limbs and then dying horribly and painfully from the effects of diabetes sounds.
Imagine if we still had the Fairness Doctrine and after every Nutella commercial we got to see what a gangrenous diabetic foot looks like?
That's what I mean though. No matter what, they tell you to change your diet and it's tough for pretty much everyone. And you're right, if someone thinks not having carbs is tough, well it's gonna be a sad day when life gets really tough because of disability.
I see this happening with my sister.
A few years ago it was "I'm just hypoglycemic, I just need to eat this high sugar/carb food and I'll be fine." Then it became "I've gained so much weight and I'm in a lot of pain from fibromyalgia and arthritis so I can't do anything about it". Then it was "I'm pre-diabetic and I don't want to take medicine because of the bad side effects so there's nothing I can do about it". Now it's "I'm diabetic and on medicine so I'll get better now, but I don't feel good and my pain is worse than ever and I just keep gaining weight. Pass me the sugar so I can put more in this sweet tea cuz it doesn't taste like it has any in it".
Her life is becoming increasingly difficult and painful and the hardest thing in the world she can think of doing is not having her sweets and satisfying every craving.
Sounds like my in-laws. It's so disheartening to have the solution to their problems and not being able to get them to even try for a month.Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »"Some people that try the rigorous diet find that sticking with it can be tough"
Really? Probably has nothing to do with carb addiction or not correcting for sodium loss huh?
And don't people find sticking to any new diet tough? This kind of language plants seeds that grow into "that sounds too hard" or "I could never go without bread".
I think they do it intentionally. They put out the headlines to get people to read and talk about it, because people are doing it and starting to talk about it anyway, but then plant the "but it's really hard (*whispering voice* and could be dangerous *end whispering voice*)" seed to keep people toeing the ADA/AHA/Pharma party line. They try to have their cake and eat it too, basically, so they can say "but see? We say it's a good thing (for the people that can stick with it)!"I love the fact that the doctor interviewed said that it boggles her mind that the diet and lifestyle change is ignored in favor of medication. Of course it would. A change in diet and lifestyle is more or less free. Medicine costs money. Medicine that manages a chronic condition instead of curing a disease costs money for life. Of course doctors/pharmaceutical companies would rather create repeat customers.
I'm starting to think it's a long game for population control while making bank off of the populace in the meantime. Get them fat and sick before they even hit puberty, and they'll die of it or the drugs at a younger and younger age. Picture what it will look like in about a century -- people die young enough, and you don't have this three-generation workforce, because two of the generations are dead, and you have a population a third of the size it is now (and no, birth rate isn't likely to go up drastically to compensate, with sickness comes reduced fertility and increased miscarriage rates).
I've suspected something like this for awhile. Or at very least a deliberate national security move toward cheap, portable, tasty food that can be stored for a very long time. Who invented the K Ration? And who started this whole low fat nonsense? Maybe low fat processed crap is just K Rations for workers.
If it's true, though, it backfired. Because of chronic medical care costs. Unless medical care is simply going to be denied to most workers in the future. Wouldn't surprise me. I think it's most likely that the health care issue wasn't so much planned for as punted down the road for someone else to deal with. Then again, I'm often not cynical enough.
One issue that worries me, unless we've been completely lied to about that, too, is that there simply aren't enough natural resources to support a low carb nation and world. So now what do we do?0 -
I don't think there is a big conspiracy by big Arga/big Pharma/ Government to get/keep people fat, so much as there seems to be more profit in people being sugar addicted/fat/sick/unable to make clear-headed decisions. I also don't think the single-payer health insurance system will solve things - look at Great Britain. I think that human beings should be responsible for their own health, do the research, look for alternatives and treat their bodies the way they treat their cars - take care of them, fuel them right, keep them running, keep them clean, and take them for tune-ups when needed. Once we, the regular people, change, the system will change with us. If crappy carbage doesn't sell, no one will sell it anymore. There is no need to outlaw the 20 oz soda if no one wants it to begin with. It is up to us to be informed customers and human beings and vote with our wallets and brains. *Gets off the soap box.*0
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I don't think there is a big conspiracy by big Arga/big Pharma/ Government to get/keep people fat, so much as there seems to be more profit in people being sugar addicted/fat/sick/unable to make clear-headed decisions. I also don't think the single-payer health insurance system will solve things - look at Great Britain. I think that human beings should be responsible for their own health, do the research, look for alternatives and treat their bodies the way they treat their cars - take care of them, fuel them right, keep them running, keep them clean, and take them for tune-ups when needed. Once we, the regular people, change, the system will change with us. If crappy carbage doesn't sell, no one will sell it anymore. There is no need to outlaw the 20 oz soda if no one wants it to begin with. It is up to us to be informed customers and human beings and vote with our wallets and brains. *Gets off the soap box.*
That is far more evil than just wanting people to be fat.
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That is far more evil than just wanting people to be fat.
Unintended consequences. I don't like to put blame on people who are not trying to do anything bad, they're just not realizing what they're doing is bad. Food companies are giving the consumers what they want. The doctors are doing what they're taught in school. The government is trying to keep a large sector of the economy producing. The problem, from my point of view, is with us, not with them.0 -
Me too. And my country's government and corporations are my responsibility. And yours. And everyone's who doesn't live in a dictatorship. And for anyone who does live in a dictatorship (open or de facto), that's our/their responsibility, too.0 -
That is far more evil than just wanting people to be fat.
Unintended consequences. I don't like to put blame on people who are not trying to do anything bad, they're just not realizing what they're doing is bad. Food companies are giving the consumers what they want. The doctors are doing what they're taught in school. The government is trying to keep a large sector of the economy producing. The problem, from my point of view, is with us, not with them.
@Lillith32 I agree. While I run a software development firm today I did earn my OD degree 30 years ago before my health limits from Ankylosing Spondylitis (AS) lead to major physical limitations and Rx med caused health issues.
In school we were thought what was known 20 years prior. While diet related health issues can be a leading cause of blindness that was not really covered in optometry school in a way I can remember. Yes we learned about Vitamin A use in third world countries but not how one needs to eat to prevent diabetes a leading cause of blindness for example. Macular degeneration and cataracts can be diet related.
allaboutvision.com/conditions/amd-prevention.htm
aoa.org/patients-and-public/caring-for-your-vision/nutrition/nutrition-and-cataracts?sso=y
In the software development business we only try to develop solutions that customers need/want that we can make a profit on by meeting those needs and wants.
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