Honey and Keto

Phrick

Dragonwolf wrote: »

KenSmith108 wrote: »

I have 2 questions. How does "offensive twit" differ from "over-sensitive momma bear"
or " 'cyber bully' "? If warnings are going out for 1 shouldn't there be 3 ?

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Technically speaking, the "cyber bully" comment was describing the actions, not the person. I missed the momma bear comment earlier.

Frankly, consider it the initial warning of everyone here -- no ad hominem attacks. They're against the community guidelines, so be mindful of that when you're posting. The initial warning is not disciplinary action in and of itself. MFP calls it a "notice," which means the users in question are made aware of the rule they're violating. Disciplinary action does not happen until further violations occur.

Fair, and I apologize - both to @Lucille4444 and to this community in general, I do have a tendency to overreact that I will reign in from here out.

KnitOrMiss

I'm still reading through this thread, but would something else like this be possible?
http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Hollow-Honey-Substitute-10/dp/B000TQBEFK
http://www.netrition.com/natures_hollow_sf_honey.html

Primarily if you are just looking for that flavor?

Dragonwolf

lodro wrote: »

a) super health benefits b) it takes longer to digest than regular sugar and is better for you and c) how is anything sustainable if you can not make yourself do it all the time?

a. marginally
b. not really
c. that's a search for justification, not sustainability

I agree with (most of) this. I stick to using it for medicinal purposes -- in tea/homemade cough drops only when sick with a sore throat/cough, or topically. There are health benefits, but it's still liquid sugar. It does technically have less effect on serum glucose than equivalent amounts of glucose or mixed fructose/glucose mixtures, but the differences in a lot of places tend to be fairly marginal, and again, it's still sugar (and pretty pure sugar, at that).

So...it's ideally better to drop all sweeteners, altogether, but if it comes down to using honey or refined sugar, then honey is the better option, just keep in mind that it is still sugar and should be treated as such. Personally, I think it's a good idea to drop all sweeteners (even artificial ones) for 30 days, then add them back in as you see fit. This breaks the addiction/habit cycle and resets your sense of "sweet," so that if you do choose to add it back in, you don't need as much to get the desired effect.

ladipoet wrote: »

jlynnschroyer wrote: »

I think I will add honey to my tea because a) super health benefits b) it takes longer to digest than regular sugar and is better for you and c) how is anything sustainable if you can not make yourself do it all the time?

My only comment regarding you decision is to make sure you are using real honey. I know this probably seems like a strange, odd or funny thing to say, but if the honey you are using is clear enough to see through, then unfortunately, nearly all of the benefits of the "honey" you are using have been eliminated because it's been processed. Real honey is cloudy (more yellow than golden) and you cannot see through it...just fyi. Here's an eye-opening article about the important differences between real and fake honey:

http://www.realnews24.com/there-are-shocking-differences-between-raw-honey-and-the-processed-golden-honey-found-in-grocery-retailers/

Everybody has something they aren't willing to give up and it's okay if for you that is honey. I agree...your WOE absolutely has to be something you can stick to and maintain so it HAS to be livable to you.

I agree with this, too, especially if you want the health benefits from it. If you're actually doing it for reasons other than the sweetening effect, then you are best off finding a local beekeeper and getting raw, local honey from them, and can't just use any old honey off the grocery store shelf.

I'd argue on the assertion of color, here, though. It's correct that it's "cloudy" and translucent to opaque, but it's still arguably golden (for the most part), just not the bright, clear golden that store honey is. The exact shade also depends on the plants used to make the honey, as well as the harvest time. Here's a good example from one of the local bee farms in my area. Notice the dramatic color differences between harvests. This one also shows the difference with different flowers from which the bees harvest. Note that the tulip poplar is a spring harvest sample, yet it's darker than even the fall harvest. Then, there's the buckwheat honey, which is nearly black. Here's another good image of all their different honeys next to each other.

Christine_72

In my honest opinion if you're going to use regular honey then you may as well use regular table sugar, they are both sugar, just in different forms.

Dragonwolf

Christine_72 wrote: »

In my honest opinion if you're going to use regular honey then you may as well use regular table sugar, they are both sugar, just in different forms.

Eh...if it's store bought "honey," then sure, but raw (ideally local) does have beneficial properties to it (antioxidents, trace minerals, etc) that do make it win out over table sugar, even if it's only by a small amount.

Christine_72

Yeah I should have clarified "regular" honey, which i meant as store bought.

ladipoet

Christine_72 wrote: »

In my honest opinion if you're going to use regular honey then you may as well use regular table sugar, they are both sugar, just in different forms.

Dragonwolf wrote: »

Eh...if it's store bought "honey," then sure, but raw (ideally local) does have beneficial properties to it (antioxidents, trace minerals, etc) that do make it win out over table sugar, even if it's only by a small amount.

Agree with both of these 100%.

nvmomketo wrote: »

Have you tried stevia drops? One to two drops has a similar sweetness as a teaspoon of sugar. Approximately. Add stevia slowly though. I find too much gives it a odd, bitter aftertaste. Perhaps adding it as a partial substitute could work?

Some places do also sell honey flavored extracts or oils so you might want to consider trying one of those. For example LorAnn Oils carried a "honey" flavor:

http://www2.netrition.com/lorann_oils_gourmet_flavorings.html

You'll need to check the drop-down list if you check out the above list to find it. Hope this info helps.