ABC show "My Diet Is Better Than Your Diet"
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I've not watched, since the first half of the first episode, but on the main boards folks are saying that the wild diet dieter says he's eating around 1,000 calories a day (I can't remember the exact range) and the trainer is not disagreeing? Why is that big man eating so little?
The plan involves not counting calories. So, it is very likely he is eating more than that. But, if you are very heavy, your hunger on low carb can be extremely low. He might be eating that little because his body isn't asking for food. It has plenty of energy, he is giving it the right nutrients, and it doesn't ask for excess.
My calories started low, unintentionally, (well 1600 ish) and rose as my fat stores went down. Same thing probably happened to him, except he had much more excess.
I get it, but again, If the plan doesn't count calories, why bring them up? I get LCHF but that wild diet seems wildly contradictory!
One contestant accused the Wild Dieter of cheating. The host asked how many calories the Wild Dieter thought he ate the previous day. He guessed. He wasn't really hungry that day and didn't eat much.
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Dragonwolf wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I've not watched, since the first half of the first episode, but on the main boards folks are saying that the wild diet dieter says he's eating around 1,000 calories a day (I can't remember the exact range) and the trainer is not disagreeing? Why is that big man eating so little?
The plan involves not counting calories. So, it is very likely he is eating more than that. But, if you are very heavy, your hunger on low carb can be extremely low. He might be eating that little because his body isn't asking for food. It has plenty of energy, he is giving it the right nutrients, and it doesn't ask for excess.
My calories started low, unintentionally, (well 1600 ish) and rose as my fat stores went down. Same thing probably happened to him, except he had much more excess.
I get it, but again, If the plan doesn't count calories, why bring them up? I get LCHF but that wild diet seems wildly contradictory!
If I had to guess, I'd say a prompt got edited out or something.
And how does one comment by a contestant make an entire diet "wildly contradictory"?
It seems odd to call it a "primarily plant based diet" (on the website and otherwise), then focus mostly on animals.
It seems odd to say it doesn't count calories, then talk about calorie counts (and have them be very low).
It just seems contradictory to me.
The website references grass fed, high quality meats. The contestant talks about hot dogs. I dunno. I guess I'm just not made for reality tv.
but I already knew that. ha. Carry on! 0 -
I read something once where a bunch of overweight people were guessing how much they ate a day. And then they actually counted for a few days. Many of the estimates were as much as half the actual consumption. You just cannot guess how many calories even close to accurately unless maybe you spent a good deal of time actively counting so that you learned how to be more accurate.
I'm sure he's realizing that he's eating a ton less volume each day and naturally feels that must equal crazy low calories. He's not counting calories and there was no mention of him spending any time previously counting calories so he is making an uneducated guess.
When someone heavy says, "Oh, I don't even eat very much. I don't know why I keep gaining weight". NO ONE BELIEVES A WORD OF IT!
But he says "I'm guessing I ate between 800-1100 calories yesterday" ITS SUDDENLY AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
The reason why has to do more with the interpretation than reality. It's a matter of defense. It doesn't fit the traditional mold. It doesn't fit what is "normal". So, let's ignore how visibly energized he looks. Ignore his immediate improvement of several health markers. Ignore that he states how amazing he feels. Ignore that he's finally feeling hopeful for a long, healthy life. Ignore that he could barely pick himself up off the ground when he started and placed 2nd in the half marathon only 14 weeks later. No, no... He's obviously ruining his health! OMG! Somebody save him!
Lol
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I was curious what my percent of weight lost would be, so I had to calculate it.
17% in almost 9 months. Though, I haven't lost much at all since October, so...
But the point is, I would've lost the competition! Lol
Still, not bad considering I do practically no exercise at all. Lol
I went back and calculated it at the 14 week mark. I had lost 12.1% at that point. I would've been in last place! ☹0 -
@Sunny_Bunny_ 17% loss is something to be proud of even if the last couple of months were just maintenance, which is a success in itself. Congrats on keeping off your big loss and losing a bit more. 0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I've not watched, since the first half of the first episode, but on the main boards folks are saying that the wild diet dieter says he's eating around 1,000 calories a day (I can't remember the exact range) and the trainer is not disagreeing? Why is that big man eating so little?
The plan involves not counting calories. So, it is very likely he is eating more than that. But, if you are very heavy, your hunger on low carb can be extremely low. He might be eating that little because his body isn't asking for food. It has plenty of energy, he is giving it the right nutrients, and it doesn't ask for excess.
My calories started low, unintentionally, (well 1600 ish) and rose as my fat stores went down. Same thing probably happened to him, except he had much more excess.
Kurt in the last episode commeted that his total caloric intake was between 1100 and 1600 kcal. Thats too low considering he is a big guy
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It's really not too low for a short term run. I mean, he's carrying around lots of nourishment for his body. Plus, while he may have days that low, I do not believe he's estimating accurately. And I'm sure he also has days that eats more. It will balance out.0
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »It's really not too low for a short term run. I mean, he's carrying around lots of nourishment for his body. Plus, while he may have days that low, I do not believe he's estimating accurately. And I'm sure he also has days that eats more. It will balance out.
This ^^^
I have days when I am busy and working out makes me not hungry at all. I don't generally eat breakfast, and if I do a long run in the evening, I may end up with only 600-800 calories for the day (my lunch meal). I'm not big on forcing myself to eat when I don't want to, so I am not super concerned. If Kurt had a day where he got busy and wasn't hungry, it is plausible he only had one meal. Or he is wildly underestimating. Honestly, as long as he is eating healthy food to satiety, and is losing weight, whatever he is doing is working for him.0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »It's really not too low for a short term run. I mean, he's carrying around lots of nourishment for his body. Plus, while he may have days that low, I do not believe he's estimating accurately. And I'm sure he also has days that eats more. It will balance out.
He's also working out intensively.
Again, it's a reality tv show, so therefore not based in reality in the slightest. But it doesn't seem very healthy for his size.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »It's really not too low for a short term run. I mean, he's carrying around lots of nourishment for his body. Plus, while he may have days that low, I do not believe he's estimating accurately. And I'm sure he also has days that eats more. It will balance out.
He's also working out intensively.
Again, it's a reality tv show, so therefore not based in reality in the slightest. But it doesn't seem very healthy for his size.
Other than the competition challenges, Kurt is the one contestant that isn't actually working out intensely. He's only doing 7 minutes of HIIT a day.
Anyway, I am a believer that as long as you're following hunger cues, your body will not purposely allow you under eat to the point that it affects your health or metabolism. Especially when exercise is part of your daily life. This is the basis of the whole idea that you don't have to count calories on Keto. Because as long as you eat when you're hungry, there's no need to eat when you're not. Learning to eat based on hunger alone is vitally important to be able to get to the point that you're sort of on autopilot and can maintain weight without really trying at some point. That's really the goal right? I don't plan to be weighing food and tracking forever. If I can't learn to only eat in response to my body's demand for it, I don't think I'm going to be set up very well for the years to come.
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »It's really not too low for a short term run. I mean, he's carrying around lots of nourishment for his body. Plus, while he may have days that low, I do not believe he's estimating accurately. And I'm sure he also has days that eats more. It will balance out.
He's also working out intensively.
Again, it's a reality tv show, so therefore not based in reality in the slightest. But it doesn't seem very healthy for his size.
Other than the competition challenges, Kurt is the one contestant that isn't actually working out intensely. He's only doing 7 minutes of HIIT a day.
Anyway, I am a believer that as long as you're following hunger cues, your body will not purposely allow you under eat to the point that it affects your health or metabolism. Especially when exercise is part of your daily life. This is the basis of the whole idea that you don't have to count calories on Keto. Because as long as you eat when you're hungry, there's no need to eat when you're not. Learning to eat based on hunger alone is vitally important to be able to get to the point that you're sort of on autopilot and can maintain weight without really trying at some point. That's really the goal right? I don't plan to be weighing food and tracking forever. If I can't learn to only eat in response to my body's demand for it, I don't think I'm going to be set up very well for the years to come.
okay. I don't watch the show, just think that's not enough calories. But I'll bow out. This is a good reminder why I DONT watch reality tv.0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »It's really not too low for a short term run. I mean, he's carrying around lots of nourishment for his body. Plus, while he may have days that low, I do not believe he's estimating accurately. And I'm sure he also has days that eats more. It will balance out.
He's also working out intensively.
Again, it's a reality tv show, so therefore not based in reality in the slightest. But it doesn't seem very healthy for his size.
Other than the competition challenges, Kurt is the one contestant that isn't actually working out intensely. He's only doing 7 minutes of HIIT a day.
Anyway, I am a believer that as long as you're following hunger cues, your body will not purposely allow you under eat to the point that it affects your health or metabolism. Especially when exercise is part of your daily life. This is the basis of the whole idea that you don't have to count calories on Keto. Because as long as you eat when you're hungry, there's no need to eat when you're not. Learning to eat based on hunger alone is vitally important to be able to get to the point that you're sort of on autopilot and can maintain weight without really trying at some point. That's really the goal right? I don't plan to be weighing food and tracking forever. If I can't learn to only eat in response to my body's demand for it, I don't think I'm going to be set up very well for the years to come.
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I loved Kurts interview with Able on The Fat Burning Man podcast!
It talks about so much of the stuff that we discussed here. He even says that he was just guessing when he said he was eating very low calories because he never thought to count butter and bone broth and stuff like that. And since he wasn't counting calories he really had no idea. They also talk about how all the contestants often ate together while filming and he abd Able typically were eating more than most people.
There's so much great info in this pod cast. He talks about the scale not mattering. He talks about how it took quite a while before he started to actually see the results himself because he still just saw the same fat guy in the mirror. He talks about how little exercise he did compared to the others because of his past medical issues. They also discuss that even though Jasmine technically won, that she didn't lose as much body fat from her total percentage lost because she lost a fair amount of lean muscle too and Kurt didn't.
They finally said the magic word, ketosis too! Kurt said he was registering in ketosis by the end of week one. And Abke talks about how he didn't give Kurt any limits at all the first week because he just wanted him to eat all he wanted to so he could get fat adapted. So many of the things that are discussed in our group were touched on in this podcast. Not limiting calories too much. Not limiting calories while adapting.
It was great! Give it a listen.
http://fatburningman.com/kurt-morgan-my-diet-is-better-than-yours-the-wild-diet-losing-87-pounds-in-14-weeks/0 -
Oh my gosh! And something huge! Kurts wife lost more than any of the female contestants in the show! She wasn't even following the diet very strict because he said she would still drink a Coke sometimes! But, apparently, she lost more than Jasmine!0
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OK--read this.... am now watching Episode 1, it seems like there are Seven in the que that can be viewed, thanks for title.
The Wild Guy Diet does sound like our "WOE"...he is expalining Bone Broth; will watch and read more.0 -
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I think people on the weight loss competition shows often ignore lean-body mass losses. There are a few that account for body fat percentages lost, but most don't consider the loss of muscle as a detriment. Keeping as much muscle as possible is important.0
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That would be cool if they went with fat percentage lost instead of body weight. Maybe penalize them if they lost lean body mass instead of fat.... Losses would be a bit slower i bet.0
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Thanks for the link to the podcast, it's pretty interesting. And, it might have motivated my SO to get back on the wagon.0
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Poor Jeff -- the "No Diet Plan", just feel he got a raw deal also the lady Natasha who is eating all that food 4 times a day--can't believe how riveting just watching this is on "On Demand" (comcast) ....really hope everyone continues to put their health first after the show is over.
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Oddly enough, I think Jeff made a good choice in his trainer. There's a lot of weirdness involved, but Jeff clearly needed to focus on his outlook just as much as his diet in order to succeed. And, based on the fact that he does lose weight, I bet there was some diet advice and exercise involved as well. They just focus on the freaky parts. Just like they focus on the weird aspects of the wild diet.0
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Hoping to see a One year later update----it would be nice to read that everyone involved has continued to focus on health.0
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I think people on the weight loss competition shows often ignore lean-body mass losses. There are a few that account for body fat percentages lost, but most don't consider the loss of muscle as a detriment. Keeping as much muscle as possible is important.
This is definitely true. That's why I was so glad to hear Able address it in the podcast. I mean really, Kurt won. Right? How could anyone think Jasmine somehow won when he lost so much more body fat. Even calculated from his own body weight. 22%?!?! I think she lost like 12 or something? Can't remember...
He won.
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Went to the show's page and looked at the "Wild Diet" plan.
http://abc.go.com/shows/my-diet-is-better-than-yours/news/updates/abc-my-diet-is-better-than-yours-abel-james-wild-diet-plan
Look at what rule is first and foremost! Don't count calories. I told you all! Low carb plans almost universally are not calorie counting plans.
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baconslave wrote: »SiouxFallsMan wrote: »Just finished the last two episodes. The way Jeff ( I think that's his name from the yellow team) starts to get pissed and accuses Kurt and Able of cheating! Haha Kurt says he's just not hungry. That's the way I felt last night when it was dinner time. I love how they talked about IF too.
Jeff acts like my 4-year-old...
Agree. Even tho some of the trainers are nuts I'd take spending eight weeks with any of them over eight hours with him. I can not stand big babies.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I've not watched, since the first half of the first episode, but on the main boards folks are saying that the wild diet dieter says he's eating around 1,000 calories a day (I can't remember the exact range) and the trainer is not disagreeing? Why is that big man eating so little?
Cause where you're deep in ketosis you just aren't as hungry anymore. He's USING more than 1000 calories a day. They are just coming from his fat stores. That's why LCHF works.0 -
In the podcast he actually says that he realizes now that he was wrong with his calorie estimate because he was just guessing. And even in his guess he never even thought about the butter he added to coffee or vegetables or the fat in the bone broth. So his estimate was just made on the solid food he was eating.JessicaLCHF wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I've not watched, since the first half of the first episode, but on the main boards folks are saying that the wild diet dieter says he's eating around 1,000 calories a day (I can't remember the exact range) and the trainer is not disagreeing? Why is that big man eating so little?
Cause where you're deep in ketosis you just aren't as hungry anymore. He's USING more than 1000 calories a day. They are just coming from his fat stores. That's why LCHF works.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I've not watched, since the first half of the first episode, but on the main boards folks are saying that the wild diet dieter says he's eating around 1,000 calories a day (I can't remember the exact range) and the trainer is not disagreeing? Why is that big man eating so little?
The plan involves not counting calories. So, it is very likely he is eating more than that. But, if you are very heavy, your hunger on low carb can be extremely low. He might be eating that little because his body isn't asking for food. It has plenty of energy, he is giving it the right nutrients, and it doesn't ask for excess.
My calories started low, unintentionally, (well 1600 ish) and rose as my fat stores went down. Same thing probably happened to him, except he had much more excess.
I get it, but again, If the plan doesn't count calories, why bring them up? I get LCHF but that wild diet seems wildly contradictory!
If I had to guess, I'd say a prompt got edited out or something.
And how does one comment by a contestant make an entire diet "wildly contradictory"?
It seems odd to call it a "primarily plant based diet" (on the website and otherwise), then focus mostly on animals.
It seems odd to say it doesn't count calories, then talk about calorie counts (and have them be very low).
It just seems contradictory to me.
The website references grass fed, high quality meats. The contestant talks about hot dogs. I dunno. I guess I'm just not made for reality tv. but I already knew that. ha. Carry on!
I think that was around the time that he was starting IF. I had assumed his calories were low because of fasting.
I think it is sort of funny to call it plant based diet too. I assumed he did that because it is more acceptable (trendy) to the public to eat lots of plants over meats... A bit of the old anti-fat or anti-meat bias. People feel better about themselves and their diet when they include lots of "healthy fruits and veggies" in their diet. Just my guess.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I've not watched, since the first half of the first episode, but on the main boards folks are saying that the wild diet dieter says he's eating around 1,000 calories a day (I can't remember the exact range) and the trainer is not disagreeing? Why is that big man eating so little?
The plan involves not counting calories. So, it is very likely he is eating more than that. But, if you are very heavy, your hunger on low carb can be extremely low. He might be eating that little because his body isn't asking for food. It has plenty of energy, he is giving it the right nutrients, and it doesn't ask for excess.
My calories started low, unintentionally, (well 1600 ish) and rose as my fat stores went down. Same thing probably happened to him, except he had much more excess.
I get it, but again, If the plan doesn't count calories, why bring them up? I get LCHF but that wild diet seems wildly contradictory!
If I had to guess, I'd say a prompt got edited out or something.
And how does one comment by a contestant make an entire diet "wildly contradictory"?
It seems odd to call it a "primarily plant based diet" (on the website and otherwise), then focus mostly on animals.
It seems odd to say it doesn't count calories, then talk about calorie counts (and have them be very low).
It just seems contradictory to me.
The website references grass fed, high quality meats. The contestant talks about hot dogs. I dunno. I guess I'm just not made for reality tv. but I already knew that. ha. Carry on!
I think that was around the time that he was starting IF. I had assumed his calories were low because of fasting.
I think it is sort of funny to call it plant based diet too. I assumed he did that because it is more acceptable (trendy) to the public to eat lots of plants over meats... A bit of the old anti-fat or anti-meat bias. People feel better about themselves and their diet when they include lots of "healthy fruits and veggies" in their diet. Just my guess.
In the podcast they said he was eating more veg than meat overall. But the show wanted to focus on the part that was the "most extreme". Able actually is very pro green veggies in large abundance. He is actually very pro green smoothies as a part of every day diet. But, he isn't so keen on fruit.0 -
Able is on the recent episode Living La Vida Low Carb podcast talking about the show and Kurt. What he is saying is that he advised Kurt to cut his carbs way down because Kurt wants to lose weight faster but he cannot work out much due to his injuries. It kind of echoes the advice from Mark Sisson's new book, where he talks about getting fat adapted, and then staying there if you have excess body fat. It kind of makes sense, if once the excess body fat is dropped we can assume that metabolism will be able to process carbs correctly, which I'm not so sure about.0
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