How to prove I'm not killing myself with this "Diet"?
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baconslave wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?! So much this.
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KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I suspect it depends on where your insulin is at to begin with, and how much the smell raises your insulin levels. For example, my "fat burning threshold" seems to be about 15 units (whatever unit is used to measure serum insulin), if I go above that, I don't lose weight, but if I stay below, I can generally lose weight. If I'm starting at 13 units, and the smell of sweet food prompts me to add another 3, that puts me at 16 and likely into "storage" mode. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether or how much it increases insulin, and to my knowledge, it hasn't been studied. The only way I know of measuring it outside of a lab is by proxy via glucose -- measure before smelling something, then go by some really fragrant sweets for a few minutes, and test again to see where it's at, and if the change is indicative of insulin release. It's not particularly accurate, though. =/baconslave wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
OMG, I know, right? Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we're still in the era home glucose monitoring was 60 years ago -- "why the hell would you want to do that?" Not only is the latest news on a home test from like 2011 or 2012, but the general response in forums when someone asks about it is pretty much "why would you want to do that? You should test glucose." (In a rather condescending tone.) It's like it's completely unfathomable that people might want to measure something other than glucose or ketones, never mind the fact that it would mean more fine-tuned control for T1Ds, if absolutely nothing else.0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I suspect it depends on where your insulin is at to begin with, and how much the smell raises your insulin levels. For example, my "fat burning threshold" seems to be about 15 units (whatever unit is used to measure serum insulin), if I go above that, I don't lose weight, but if I stay below, I can generally lose weight. If I'm starting at 13 units, and the smell of sweet food prompts me to add another 3, that puts me at 16 and likely into "storage" mode. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether or how much it increases insulin, and to my knowledge, it hasn't been studied. The only way I know of measuring it outside of a lab is by proxy via glucose -- measure before smelling something, then go by some really fragrant sweets for a few minutes, and test again to see where it's at, and if the change is indicative of insulin release. It's not particularly accurate, though. =/baconslave wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
OMG, I know, right? Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we're still in the era home glucose monitoring was 60 years ago -- "why the hell would you want to do that?" Not only is the latest news on a home test from like 2011 or 2012, but the general response in forums when someone asks about it is pretty much "why would you want to do that? You should test glucose." (In a rather condescending tone.) It's like it's completely unfathomable that people might want to measure something other than glucose or ketones, never mind the fact that it would mean more fine-tuned control for T1Ds, if absolutely nothing else.
@Dragonwolf, so honestly, if my fasting insulin levels at their worst tracked were never much past a 10 (at last check managed by diet to 5.8), and are now MUCH lower, how do we know what our insulin does during the day? How much can it theoretically jump? I mean, we've barely scratched the surface on glucose levels...
Basically, I figure if my mouth starts watering and stuff, it's probably an insulin reaction of some sort. If it just smells good, it's hit or miss...
I wish I could figure out the return of my postprandial somnolence, though, even after relatively low/no carb meals (did it once after 4 eggs cooked in 1.5 tbsp of butter, nothing else).... This is after 4 weeks of strict dietary compliance, it still happens, mostly at lunch (again), and occasionally after dinner.... SIGH
EDITED TO ADD: Why would we want to do that? Jerks. Because we want data... I don't ask you why you do stupid stuff that makes no sense to me! Nosy jerk.0 -
KnitOrMiss wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I suspect it depends on where your insulin is at to begin with, and how much the smell raises your insulin levels. For example, my "fat burning threshold" seems to be about 15 units (whatever unit is used to measure serum insulin), if I go above that, I don't lose weight, but if I stay below, I can generally lose weight. If I'm starting at 13 units, and the smell of sweet food prompts me to add another 3, that puts me at 16 and likely into "storage" mode. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether or how much it increases insulin, and to my knowledge, it hasn't been studied. The only way I know of measuring it outside of a lab is by proxy via glucose -- measure before smelling something, then go by some really fragrant sweets for a few minutes, and test again to see where it's at, and if the change is indicative of insulin release. It's not particularly accurate, though. =/baconslave wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
OMG, I know, right? Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we're still in the era home glucose monitoring was 60 years ago -- "why the hell would you want to do that?" Not only is the latest news on a home test from like 2011 or 2012, but the general response in forums when someone asks about it is pretty much "why would you want to do that? You should test glucose." (In a rather condescending tone.) It's like it's completely unfathomable that people might want to measure something other than glucose or ketones, never mind the fact that it would mean more fine-tuned control for T1Ds, if absolutely nothing else.
@Dragonwolf, so honestly, if my fasting insulin levels at their worst tracked were never much past a 10 (at last check managed by diet to 5.8), and are now MUCH lower, how do we know what our insulin does during the day? How much can it theoretically jump? I mean, we've barely scratched the surface on glucose levels...
Basically, I figure if my mouth starts watering and stuff, it's probably an insulin reaction of some sort. If it just smells good, it's hit or miss...
I wish I could figure out the return of my postprandial somnolence, though, even after relatively low/no carb meals (did it once after 4 eggs cooked in 1.5 tbsp of butter, nothing else).... This is after 4 weeks of strict dietary compliance, it still happens, mostly at lunch (again), and occasionally after dinner.... SIGH
EDITED TO ADD: Why would we want to do that? Jerks. Because we want data... I don't ask you why you do stupid stuff that makes no sense to me! Nosy jerk.
Check out the study @wabmester just shared. It's a thing about insulin levels in T2Ds on fasting, zero carb, and high carb diets. What I found particularly interesting was that even the fasting people saw insulin spikes around lunch and dinner time. That might help you piece together what's going on.0 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I suspect it depends on where your insulin is at to begin with, and how much the smell raises your insulin levels. For example, my "fat burning threshold" seems to be about 15 units (whatever unit is used to measure serum insulin), if I go above that, I don't lose weight, but if I stay below, I can generally lose weight. If I'm starting at 13 units, and the smell of sweet food prompts me to add another 3, that puts me at 16 and likely into "storage" mode. Unfortunately, I have no idea whether or how much it increases insulin, and to my knowledge, it hasn't been studied. The only way I know of measuring it outside of a lab is by proxy via glucose -- measure before smelling something, then go by some really fragrant sweets for a few minutes, and test again to see where it's at, and if the change is indicative of insulin release. It's not particularly accurate, though. =/baconslave wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »KnitOrMiss wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »Can I just add that I've been to the hospital quite a few times with my partner and family over the last couple of years and there are A LOT of pretty overweight nurses. I know this is because they're busy and have to grab food when they can, but I don't think they should be giving other people grief for what they choose to eat.
And a lot of overweight cops. And a lot of overweight truck drivers.
The common theme? Chronically high stress occupations.
I work in a call center, I know about high stress. I meet the cream of the *kitten* crop on a daily basis, not to mention long hours, not quiet periods, and always on the clock. It's hard work for sure. I no longer comfort myself with food, but I do drink too much coffee, and tend to go outside and chain vape on my breaks (haven't had a cigarette in 12 months, and feel fantastic because of it btw).
@EbonyDahlia With your vaping, are you insulin resistant? I can't recall. I've recently been wondering, as my guy vapes around me semi-frequently (nearly always 0 nic), but the sweet smells make me wonder if I'm staying in insulin misery without even noticing!
No ... the sweeteness is not absorbed. I can chain vape all day and still be in deep ketosis, most vape flavours are artificial sweetener anyway. But you aren't drinking it. You don't ingest sugar smelling a jar of honey, same thing.
For me, it's not about ingesting the sugar/artificial sweeteners - or questioning whether that happens, @EbonyDahlia . I know many diabetics can vape without it affecting their blood sugars For me, it's about anything that gets my saliva response going. I know the breathing of it doesn't do much, but for example, if I smell donuts, my mouth waters, and the insulin starts churning because even if I just ate, I get hungry. Dessert and pastry flavored vape clouds do this to me, too, hence the wondering... If I'm already fat adapted, I can do the equivalent of "fasting through" but I still wonder about the reaction.
And I know many vape flavors do not have artificial sweeteners at all, and that those that do are in the lines of stevia and sucralose, etc. (My fiance mixes his own juice in addition to reps for another company, but he doesn't really "get" the whole low carb/insulin resistance thing, so it's complicated to ask questions.
Being insulin resistant adds whole degrees of difficulty, plus PCOS and hypothyroidism and such. I'm just wondering how much this affects things. Since I can't test my insulin, I don't have a quantifiable number to look for. I don't normally get a feeling of blood sugar drop with something like this, but I'm more wondering about the insulin threshold - like is the smell enough to release a quantity to shift my "internal engine" from fat burning to fat storing? @Dragonwolf - any ideas??
I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
OMG, I know, right? Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure we're still in the era home glucose monitoring was 60 years ago -- "why the hell would you want to do that?" Not only is the latest news on a home test from like 2011 or 2012, but the general response in forums when someone asks about it is pretty much "why would you want to do that? You should test glucose." (In a rather condescending tone.) It's like it's completely unfathomable that people might want to measure something other than glucose or ketones, never mind the fact that it would mean more fine-tuned control for T1Ds, if absolutely nothing else.
@Dragonwolf, so honestly, if my fasting insulin levels at their worst tracked were never much past a 10 (at last check managed by diet to 5.8), and are now MUCH lower, how do we know what our insulin does during the day? How much can it theoretically jump? I mean, we've barely scratched the surface on glucose levels...
Basically, I figure if my mouth starts watering and stuff, it's probably an insulin reaction of some sort. If it just smells good, it's hit or miss...
I wish I could figure out the return of my postprandial somnolence, though, even after relatively low/no carb meals (did it once after 4 eggs cooked in 1.5 tbsp of butter, nothing else).... This is after 4 weeks of strict dietary compliance, it still happens, mostly at lunch (again), and occasionally after dinner.... SIGH
EDITED TO ADD: Why would we want to do that? Jerks. Because we want data... I don't ask you why you do stupid stuff that makes no sense to me! Nosy jerk.
Check out the study @wabmester just shared. It's a thing about insulin levels in T2Ds on fasting, zero carb, and high carb diets. What I found particularly interesting was that even the fasting people saw insulin spikes around lunch and dinner time. That might help you piece together what's going on.
I did check it out, but it didn't ring for me. Like yesterday, when I fasted through lunch - finished breakfast like 8-8:30 am, and broke it easily at 6:30 pm (didn't start getting hungry until almost 6, when normally I get something at 2-3), I didn't feel like I had a spike. But any time I eat lunch, I've got a crash/spike within 45-60 minutes after my meal. And no matter how many times I've checked, my blood glucose is in range, so I just really don't understand it.
And the timing is the same whether I eat at 11 am or 2 pm, the crash is still after the nearly an hour range. Dinner is in the same frame of reference whether I eat dinner at 5:30 pm or midnight, independent of any of the rest of the day's consumption. It is SOOOO frustrating.
Breakfast "hunger" hits sometimes at 7 am, sometimes not until lunch, so I don't think the consistent insulin thing fits me, or at least not as it relates to my PPS....0 -
I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?! So much this.
I'm new so I don't know how/if you can respond to a response to a post so forgive my clumsy attempt.
I wanted to let you know you can buy an insulin/ketone monitor on-line. Wal-Green, Amazon.com and Wal-Mart carry them. Some are better than others. I've been reading up on them and am looking for a good quality one that measures ketone. Most of the ketone monitors also measure insulin/glucose. I just haven't decided on one yet. They seem to run about $20 or more. You have to buy strips for each type of measurement. The ketone strips can be quite expensive depending on the type of meter you buy. The insulin strips aren't too badly priced. I have had no luck finding them in stores (ketone monitor) but I live in a very rural area.0 -
I had actually never heard of smells affecting our insulin, is this actually a thing? So you can smell a chocolate cake and get fat? That explains alot ...0
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »I had actually never heard of smells affecting our insulin, is this actually a thing? So you can smell a chocolate cake and get fat? That explains alot ...
I guess the idea is that it signals... You smell it... Your body thinks you're about to eat it...
Dang trigger happy pancreas!0 -
cedarsidefarm wrote: »I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?! So much this.
I'm new so I don't know how/if you can respond to a response to a post so forgive my clumsy attempt.
I wanted to let you know you can buy an insulin/ketone monitor on-line. Wal-Green, Amazon.com and Wal-Mart carry them. Some are better than others. I've been reading up on them and am looking for a good quality one that measures ketone. Most of the ketone monitors also measure insulin/glucose. I just haven't decided on one yet. They seem to run about $20 or more. You have to buy strips for each type of measurement. The ketone strips can be quite expensive depending on the type of meter you buy. The insulin strips aren't too badly priced. I have had no luck finding them in stores (ketone monitor) but I live in a very rural area.
a blood sugar monitor (glucose monitor) does not track insulin in any way, other than maybe to tell you how much insulin to take, if you're a diabetic...not anywhere I've ever heard of, so if you find one, please come back here with pictures, store info, and a link! We'll be all over that, @cedarsidefarm .... LOL!
And as far as the ketone ones, if you're eating low enough, unless you're searching your maintenance threshold or struggling badly, there's not too much benefit...just a "confirmation" kind of thing.
And for responding, click the link that says "quote" at the bottom of the post you want to reference, then go all the way to the bottom of the text that comes up in the window and type your response.
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EbonyDahlia wrote: »I had actually never heard of smells affecting our insulin, is this actually a thing? So you can smell a chocolate cake and get fat? That explains alot ...
@EbonyDahlia I think the smell has to be really significant AND have an already established trigger in your head to have that intense a response to your system. Like for me, those donuts smelled good, but my taste buds didn't get going. Say a really awesome decadent cake made with real ingredients, fresh out of the oven or while cooking? Something like that might get my mouth watering.
I figure if my mouth is watering, the smell and memory of that food are affecting my body in a physical way, and very possible my insulin, too. I know sweet tastes can do it for most of us....0 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »EbonyDahlia wrote: »I had actually never heard of smells affecting our insulin, is this actually a thing? So you can smell a chocolate cake and get fat? That explains alot ...
I guess the idea is that it signals... You smell it... Your body thinks you're about to eat it...
Dang trigger happy pancreas!
Thankfully most of those smells become more chemically or bland/sickeningly sweet after a time! Things I used to think I couldn't live without taste like paste, glue, cardboard, dust and so overly sweet I can't even handle them without gagging...lol.
Some things I'm not lucky enough for that to happen, sadly, so I have to stay determined!0 -
I'd be interested in the science behind this. I understand smells of food can make your mouth water, and make you crave certain things, but I'd like to see blood tests/graphs that prove that smelling these things actually causes insulin levels to rise. I'm skeptical.0
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cedarsidefarm wrote: »I really wish we could test our own insulin...
I want to know what it's doing!
RIGHT?!?!?!?!?!?! So much this.
I'm new so I don't know how/if you can respond to a response to a post so forgive my clumsy attempt.
I wanted to let you know you can buy an insulin/ketone monitor on-line. Wal-Green, Amazon.com and Wal-Mart carry them. Some are better than others. I've been reading up on them and am looking for a good quality one that measures ketone. Most of the ketone monitors also measure insulin/glucose. I just haven't decided on one yet. They seem to run about $20 or more. You have to buy strips for each type of measurement. The ketone strips can be quite expensive depending on the type of meter you buy. The insulin strips aren't too badly priced. I have had no luck finding them in stores (ketone monitor) but I live in a very rural area.
Unfortunately, insulin and glucose are two completely different things, and there is currently no device on the market that measures insulin. For some stupid reason, manufacturers don't see a demand (seriously, they must have their heads in the sand on that one).0
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