Is this "The meat and cheese" diet?
motown13
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I was talking to someone at Barnes and Noble about LCHF, and she said "Oh yeah, the meat and cheese diet, I know about that."
So, right away I got a bit defensive.... and I told her that my fats come from many sources like coconut oil, avocados, olive oil and some nuts ( not often with the nuts, though ).
When I got home, I reviewed my food diary.
Most of my fat does likely come from meat and cheese. And while I do eat vegetables, I could ( should? ) probably eat more. Last night I had 4 cups of garden salad. Net carbs made that OK.
So, where are you getting your healthy fats from?
So, right away I got a bit defensive.... and I told her that my fats come from many sources like coconut oil, avocados, olive oil and some nuts ( not often with the nuts, though ).
When I got home, I reviewed my food diary.
Most of my fat does likely come from meat and cheese. And while I do eat vegetables, I could ( should? ) probably eat more. Last night I had 4 cups of garden salad. Net carbs made that OK.
So, where are you getting your healthy fats from?
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My fats come from: Avocados, all sorts of cheeses (cheddar, goat, feta, marble, pepper jack), sausages, pepperoni, fatty steaks, olive oil, butter, nuts, dark chocolate.. loads of sources
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Avocados, cheeses, HWC, coconut oil, olive oil, full-fat coconut milk, almonds, peanut butter ... and meats.
A lot of it is from meat and cheese but not quite ALL.
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hahaha. You must have been talking to my husband. He started this diet with me and told his friend that it was basically taking everything you love and replacing it with meat and cheese. He quit the diet but I've been doing it over five months. Now it's a running joke that I only eat meat and cheese. ;p I actually probably get most of my fat from heavy cream followed by meat, cheese, cashew/almond butter, butter, salad dressing, and avocados on occasion. I do eat either some salad or steamed veggies once a day or so.0
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yes i do eat meat & cheese, but i also eat very healthy greens & veggies & fruits. this diet has NOT stopped me from eating healthy, in fact, i would dare say that i eat healthier than i did before. instead of a pop-tart, yogurt, cereal and fat-free milk, i now eat meat, eggs, cheese, fruits, veggies, etc. as a sample of breakfast. i think the general population is misinformed about this diet (as was I)
**sorry i didn't quite answer your question: cream cheese, butter, olive oil, nuts, meat & lovely HWC0 -
Ribswhere are you getting your healthy fats from?0 -
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Fat from meat is also one my favorite ways to get fat. I have always enjoyed fatty meats. This diet allows be to enjoy it without the guilt. The rest of my fat intake comes from butter, HWC, cream cheese, avocados, and Coconut oil. For some reason I do not lose weight as well with cheese. Other dairy products is okay just not cheese. Which does not mean I do not indulge every once in awhile. I love cheese.
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Butter, coconut oil, bacon drippings, beef fat, chicken fat, mayo.
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I thought that too and I think people who are really keeping their carbs really low are more forced to have meat and cheese. I am having veggies with most meals, 3x a day. Occasionally I have fruit but not often. Instead of crackers, breads, noodles, rice--I'm filling up on more nutritional things. I love this meat and cheese diet! 0
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It's a heck of a lot healthier than the cake and cookies diet! Lol0
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I'm dairy free, so no cheese here. My fat comes from olives, coconut, avocado, ghee, and meat.0
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Butter, coconut oil, eggs, and meat and cheese.
I'm still in KISS mode.0 -
So, where are you getting your healthy fats from?
Can I just say how much I hate the term "healthy fats"? I rank it right up there with the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984. People use the term "healthy fats" almost exclusively when referring to those fats which are bad for our health. All those "healthy" non-saturated fats we have dumped into our diet are the worst possible things for our health. It is as if asbestos was associated with healthy lungs and people kept saying "how are you getting your healthy asbestos particles?"
Animals fats ARE the healthy fats. How do we get them? By eating meats (and cheese, if you're into that).
This has nothing to do with vegetables (meh), but everything to do with what fat sources you should be focusing on. You should focus on those fats which we have adopted to eat, not those we are told have been manufactured to be healthier for us. I am growing more and more convinced that everything everyone believes about health is exactly the opposite from what actually is true.0 -
Well there are unhealthy fats, so it goes that there are healthy fats.0
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Avocados and olive oil are manufactured? Please explain. o.oSo, where are you getting your healthy fats from?
Can I just say how much I hate the term "healthy fats"? I rank it right up there with the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984. People use the term "healthy fats" almost exclusively when referring to those fats which are bad for our health. All those "healthy" non-saturated fats we have dumped into our diet are the worst possible things for our health. It is as if asbestos was associated with healthy lungs and people kept saying "how are you getting your healthy asbestos particles?"
Animals fats ARE the healthy fats. How do we get them? By eating meats (and cheese, if you're into that).
This has nothing to do with vegetables (meh), but everything to do with what fat sources you should be focusing on. You should focus on those fats which we have adopted to eat, not those we are told have been manufactured to be healthier for us. I am growing more and more convinced that everything everyone believes about health is exactly the opposite from what actually is true.
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Lot of eggs. Lately it's been some almond flour because I've been trying to bake stuff but usually I eat a ton of low carb veggies with butter or coconut oil and cheese.0
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Before beginning this WOE all of my numbers were fine, no elevated BP, or diabetes, but horrible osteoporosis & arthritis (inflammation). I generally feel ok and am enjoying the foods i eat now.
Steak, Bacon, Ribs, chicken, beef, pork, egg yolks, the irish Butter, pickles and heavy whipped cream--almost no cheese whatsoever. i usuallly have boullion or bone broth, 2 cups of salad a day or one cup of veggies a day.
Am hoping that this WOE results in lowered pain from arthritis.0 -
I get my fat primarily from egg yolks. It doesn't sound like much, but 16 eggs later, it adds up. I suppose that is from an animal, though.0
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Before beginning this WOE all of my numbers were fine, no elevated BP, or diabetes, but horrible osteoporosis & arthritis (inflammation). I generally feel ok and am enjoying the foods i eat now.
Steak, Bacon, Ribs, chicken, beef, pork, egg yolks, the irish Butter, pickles and heavy whipped cream--almost no cheese whatsoever. i usuallly have boullion or bone broth, 2 cups of salad a day or one cup of veggies a day.
Am hoping that this WOE results in lowered pain from arthritis.
Wow, I just realized my hips and knees have not bothered me at all this winter despite winter hiking and snow shoeing......maybe just from no processed sugar???? Amazing.
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Meta, cheese, mayo, pork scratchings, dark choc, coconut oil, butter0
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Before beginning this WOE all of my numbers were fine, no elevated BP, or diabetes, but horrible osteoporosis & arthritis (inflammation). I generally feel ok and am enjoying the foods i eat now.
Steak, Bacon, Ribs, chicken, beef, pork, egg yolks, the irish Butter, pickles and heavy whipped cream--almost no cheese whatsoever. i usuallly have boullion or bone broth, 2 cups of salad a day or one cup of veggies a day.
Am hoping that this WOE results in lowered pain from arthritis.
Wow, I just realized my hips and knees have not bothered me at all this winter despite winter hiking and snow shoeing......maybe just from no processed sugar???? Amazing.
Low carb pretty much eliminates inflammation. 0 -
ogmomma2012 wrote: »
Avocados and olive oil are manufactured? Please explain. o.oSo, where are you getting your healthy fats from?
Can I just say how much I hate the term "healthy fats"? I rank it right up there with the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984. People use the term "healthy fats" almost exclusively when referring to those fats which are bad for our health. All those "healthy" non-saturated fats we have dumped into our diet are the worst possible things for our health. It is as if asbestos was associated with healthy lungs and people kept saying "how are you getting your healthy asbestos particles?"
Animals fats ARE the healthy fats. How do we get them? By eating meats (and cheese, if you're into that).
This has nothing to do with vegetables (meh), but everything to do with what fat sources you should be focusing on. You should focus on those fats which we have adopted to eat, not those we are told have been manufactured to be healthier for us. I am growing more and more convinced that everything everyone believes about health is exactly the opposite from what actually is true.
First, I don't trust Olive oil to actually be Olive oil. There is rampant adulteration with cheaper vegetable oils. While it is possible Olive oil isn't bad for you, what you are buying and consuming from the store isn't real Olive oil.
Second, avocados are not the first thing the man on the street will picture when someone says healthy fats. That is something that comes with more nutrition experience.
Personally, I don't rank either of those high on my healthy list. That is even though they aren't 'manufactured' in the sense you are thinking of.0 -
I agree with @FIT_Goat on those not being high on my list either. It's just so much easier to get a trustworthy quality with butter and coconut oil.
Olive oil is one that unless you look into how to determine a good quality to buy, I would just skip altogether. I can't remember all the tips, but I know one of them was it should be in a bottle that doesn't allow light to pass through. I've never seen one like that at a typical grocery store.
When I think of "unhealthy fats", what comes to mind is margarine and all kinds of vegetable oils. Pretty much everything you find a reference to how healthy it is on the label. Lol0 -
Real olive oil will almost solidify if put in the fridge. The more pure it is, the harder it gets. Even the Costco brand ( Kirkland ) is pretty much real olive oil from my test.0
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Meat and cheese and more meat and additional cheese... all fried in coconut oil and covered in butter. And eggs. Did I mention meat and cheese? I use avocado to keep the GI tract moving. I have to be careful with fats, because too much and my GI tract is basically a water slide. Yeah, that's a mental image for your day.
I don't eat a lot of veggies, but the ones I do eat are quality. Also, they're probably covered in butter. And cheese.0 -
Eggs, meat, fish, coconut oil, butter, cheese, olives, avocados.0
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Eggs, meat, lots of cheese, and bacon (which I think should be its own food group).0
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I think less about the source of my fat and more about its chemical structure. I aim to make as much of monounsaturated, and as little of it omega-6 (a polyunsaturated fat), as possible. The rest of it is saturated fat from various animal and plant sources, including meat and cheese. I usually have at least 4 servings of vegetables a day, cooked in, or dressed with, olive oil.0
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You guys might like this. It's a review of how we get fatty liver:
Modulation of hepatic steatosis by dietary fatty acids
Basically, we have three sources of fat: diet, adipose, and DNL (liver makes fat from carbs).
And we have one way to burn fat: mitochondria.
So which fats are bad for you? All of them! When we're in a state of excess. Those poor mitochondria can only process so much, then bad things happen.0 -
I don't eat cheese except for goat cheese on occasion because it doesn't agree with me. My diary is open, and you can see that I tend to focus on meat, evoo, coconut oil, bacon fat, and ghee as my fat sources.0
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ogmomma2012 wrote: »
Avocados and olive oil are manufactured? Please explain. o.oSo, where are you getting your healthy fats from?
Can I just say how much I hate the term "healthy fats"? I rank it right up there with the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984. People use the term "healthy fats" almost exclusively when referring to those fats which are bad for our health. All those "healthy" non-saturated fats we have dumped into our diet are the worst possible things for our health. It is as if asbestos was associated with healthy lungs and people kept saying "how are you getting your healthy asbestos particles?"
Animals fats ARE the healthy fats. How do we get them? By eating meats (and cheese, if you're into that).
This has nothing to do with vegetables (meh), but everything to do with what fat sources you should be focusing on. You should focus on those fats which we have adopted to eat, not those we are told have been manufactured to be healthier for us. I am growing more and more convinced that everything everyone believes about health is exactly the opposite from what actually is true.
First, I don't trust Olive oil to actually be Olive oil. There is rampant adulteration with cheaper vegetable oils. While it is possible Olive oil isn't bad for you, what you are buying and consuming from the store isn't real Olive oil.
Second, avocados are not the first thing the man on the street will picture when someone says healthy fats. That is something that comes with more nutrition experience.
Personally, I don't rank either of those high on my healthy list. That is even though they aren't 'manufactured' in the sense you are thinking of.
I completely agree regarding olive oil. It's really challenging to find genuine olive oil as unfortunately there are no testing standards for purity and there is a lot of fraud, especially with large producers who are mixing olives from a large variety of (possibly questionable) sources. From what I learned when I lived in the US, California olive oil tends to be much more reliable than olive oil from Spain or Italy. I love olive oil and now that I'm in the UK, with no access to California olive oil, I was at a loss for a long time. I recently found a small importer here now who specialises in oils, vinegar and liquor, he has a "liquid deli" and offers a selection of a few absolutely amazing single estate olive oils from a couple of small farms, which is the most reliable way to buy. He's personally visited the farms and seen their production process. They grow their own olives and process their own oil, so no third party is involved, minimizing the likelihood of fraud. It could still occur of course, but you can really taste the difference, it's absolutely delicious.0
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