Professionals who try to undermine your choice to go low carb
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MaryamCh2013 wrote: »I just remembered another thing they said .... that eating too few carbohydrates would leave my body eating up my muscles and that they (my muscles) would waste away .......
I think that would only happen IF I wasn't eating enough protein.
Uhm, do they not know that the "steak and eggs" diet (which is pretty much just those two foods) is a very effective and very old bodybuilding diet?
I don't argue with people like that. It is very uncommon that they are willing to evaluate what you are telling them anyway.0 -
MaryamCh2013 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »MaryamCh2013 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Ha! I just mentioned this on another post. But my daughter has Type 1 Diabetes and her diabetes nurse has refused to treat Emily anymore because she's decided to eat a Keto diet. The nurse tried her hardest to convince us that Emily would end up with diabetic Ketoacidosis as a result of low carb. Lol! She, a trained diabetes specialist, didn't seem to understand that as long as she continues to take insulin, consistently and adequately that cannot happen. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that it's less likely to happen since her overall insulin needs are dramatically lower.
Anyway, she doesn't like us now and literally has refused to participate in my daughters treatment because she's absolutely convinced that she's going to sick and die!
My daughter has been Keto for about 2 months now I think and she's gone from over 120 units a day down to her basal minimum of about 35 a day and from an unmeasurably high A1c of over 14, which is where the measurement actually stops, (hers was higher than could even be measured!) to 9.5 in the first month. That's still very high, but it's a dramatic drop for such a short amount of time.
That's amazing
. I'm glad your daughter is doing so well.
I'm getting the same thing from these two professionals ... basically that I am putting myself at medical risk of going into a coma; but I have been very responsible to watch my bloodsugars and have tested more often than usual (just to be more vigilant) and my blood sugars have been the very best since trying LC. Now the evening I ate pizza (regular kind, not LC kind), I was in actual pain that night and from that evening until the next whole day, I ended up encountering many hypoglycaemic episodes ... so, just from what I have experienced in my own personal situation, the higher carbs seem to trigger more of a release of insulin in my body (I am not diabetic; but have severe hypoglycaemia). Our bodies are certainly interesting
It's too bad your daughters nurse chose to step away, as this could have been a learning experience for her. But if she is going to cause more grief, it may be just as well ... Take care
The symptoms you are describing sound like classic insulin resistance to me. You're body is literally carb intolerant and those morons want you to eat more carbs! Lol
Lactose intolerant? Clearly the answer is more lactose right? Lol
Thanks. My son has a lot of intolerances and allergies (which cause him digestive issues and breathing difficulties), so I understand exactly what you are saying. I am certainly going to discuss this with my dr when I see her next. Especially after doing 20g of carbs for 6 days and feeling pretty good and then having the pizza on Tuesday and within a short time feeling miserable*, including abdominal pain, and then feeling lousy* on Wednesday. I'm feeling better today; but from that experience I really want to stay away from carbs ... (*including hypoglycaemic episodes where I then had to eat even more because I was crashing). I also found the more carbs I ate, the more I craved carbs (it was crazy Wednesday am). Thanks again . Elizabeth Maryam
I understand that! My daughter feels the same way. She had several hypo's while adjusting to low carb and using the insulin pump when she first started. As a T1D hers was due to taking more insulin than needed (not totally unlike your body producing too much insulin for its needs) and can escalate quickly depending on the amount of over treatment. She really didn't want to use more carbs than needed to fix it so she experimented a bit. Mostly, she learned that to some degree her liver would secrete glycogen to offset the low, but it may not happen fast enough. She had to determine how fast bg was dropping, so she tested when she felt low. If she was over 65, she wouldn't eat carbs, she would test again in 10 minutes. If it dropped below 60 by then, she would eat some almonds and test again in 15 minutes. (About 10g carbs worth) If it started coming up by then, she wouldn't eat anymore. If it was a lot lower than 60 at that 10 minute check, like 55 or lower, then she would use a fast carb like gummy bears or something because bg was dropping too fast. She tries to take carbs in no more than 10g doses and just check bg after 10-15 minutes each time.
She's done really well with this to my surprise. She's not a patient person. When youre hypo, as I'm sure you know, you're in a panic the whole time. It's hard not to just eat everything in sight. But that panic is a defense of the body and will cause the glycogen release and I feel like if it's safe to allow the body to correct the hypo, by checking bg every 10 minutes and reacting accordingly, then it's probably going to be better at figuring out the right amount.0 -
Yep, we hire our medical professionals, and we can fire them too! When you are berated for getting healthier because you don't fit their ideas isn't professional, and is and indicators to move on. Their opinion doesn't matter! You go with how you feel! Congratulations on your early success! It's good that you've seen how carbs make you feel now! Yes to the sodium recommendations too! 3000-5000mg are needed daily to replace what's being lost! I've found that my blood pressure, and edema, will get worse if I don't keep the replacement up (totally opposite of medical wisdom!)!
I figured I would see them one more time to see if I get the actual information I originally went to them both for, respectively. It's interesting that replacing sodium can actually help your issues; but that's where each individual case needs to be considered first, and in this case, ones who are implementing low carb. I'm glad you have found relief in doing LC and following the recommendation to consume additional sodium. Take care . Elizabeth Maryam 0 -
MaryamCh2013 wrote: »I just remembered another thing they said .... that eating too few carbohydrates would leave my body eating up my muscles and that they (my muscles) would waste away .......
I think that would only happen IF I wasn't eating enough protein.
There was something in one of Dr. Fung's videos about this, and he said, "No, of course that isn't going to happen." Your body already has a system in place for when there isn't enough food - it will eat your fat. Why in the world would it turn to your muscles instead? And then there was some science about it not happening 0 -
canadjineh wrote: »
Thank you. Ultimately they didn't cost me anything monetarily; but, when they said these things, it made me question if it was worth continuing to see them. At the next visits, I will see if they provide the info I originally contacted them for, and see if they follow through. If not, I will move on. Again, thanks. Elizabeth Maryam 0 -
What I have found is that they assume that you will not be eating enough food in general. They automatically think you'll just cut out the carby foods and eat the rest like normal. I remember the diabetes nurse saying something like "you have to eat. You can't just not eat". Uh... So does that mean she thinks there's no other food? Lol
It really illustrates their lack of knowledge because they don't even consider that you eat more fat then...0 -
MaryamCh2013 wrote: »I just remembered another thing they said .... that eating too few carbohydrates would leave my body eating up my muscles and that they (my muscles) would waste away .......
I think that would only happen IF I wasn't eating enough protein.
Uhm, do they not know that the "steak and eggs" diet (which is pretty much just those two foods) is a very effective and very old bodybuilding diet?
I don't argue with people like that. It is very uncommon that they are willing to evaluate what you are telling them anyway.
Thank you. I don't know if they even consider these things or just write them off as some crazy diet. I know the wellness dr was still putting the whole LC diet down even when I told her my dr recommended it (and my dr is one of the leading dr's in the area and oversees graduating residents from a medical university in a nearby province), so my family dr is highly respected .... so I didn't understand this other drs attitude towards the whole thing.
I agree with not bothering to even explain myself or the idea of LC to them. I can tell they are fixed in their own train of thought and are not willing to be unswayed or even hear the facts (I explained to the dietician that my blood sugars were FINE despite eating few carbs; but she had a glazed over look and went on to explain I should have a minimum of 150 g of carbs each day ... I didn't even eat that many carbs before starting low carb and if I did on rare occasions I was quite ill).
I'll see what happens when I go back to see them. Hopefully they will provide the info for which I originally went to see them; otherwise, it's not worth trying to get information from someone who is just trying to save me from something that is actually beneficial and my family dr supports. Again, thanks. Elizabeth Maryam 0 -
Somewhere, I was asked what I would tell my younger self if I could go back in time. My answer was that my worst decisions were generally those that were made to please other people rather than myself.4
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »MaryamCh2013 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »MaryamCh2013 wrote: »Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Ha! I just mentioned this on another post. But my daughter has Type 1 Diabetes and her diabetes nurse has refused to treat Emily anymore because she's decided to eat a Keto diet. The nurse tried her hardest to convince us that Emily would end up with diabetic Ketoacidosis as a result of low carb. Lol! She, a trained diabetes specialist, didn't seem to understand that as long as she continues to take insulin, consistently and adequately that cannot happen. As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that it's less likely to happen since her overall insulin needs are dramatically lower.
Anyway, she doesn't like us now and literally has refused to participate in my daughters treatment because she's absolutely convinced that she's going to sick and die!
My daughter has been Keto for about 2 months now I think and she's gone from over 120 units a day down to her basal minimum of about 35 a day and from an unmeasurably high A1c of over 14, which is where the measurement actually stops, (hers was higher than could even be measured!) to 9.5 in the first month. That's still very high, but it's a dramatic drop for such a short amount of time.
That's amazing. I'm glad your daughter is doing so well.
I'm getting the same thing from these two professionals ... basically that I am putting myself at medical risk of going into a coma; but I have been very responsible to watch my bloodsugars and have tested more often than usual (just to be more vigilant) and my blood sugars have been the very best since trying LC. Now the evening I ate pizza (regular kind, not LC kind), I was in actual pain that night and from that evening until the next whole day, I ended up encountering many hypoglycaemic episodes ... so, just from what I have experienced in my own personal situation, the higher carbs seem to trigger more of a release of insulin in my body (I am not diabetic; but have severe hypoglycaemia). Our bodies are certainly interesting
It's too bad your daughters nurse chose to step away, as this could have been a learning experience for her. But if she is going to cause more grief, it may be just as well ... Take care
The symptoms you are describing sound like classic insulin resistance to me. You're body is literally carb intolerant and those morons want you to eat more carbs! Lol
Lactose intolerant? Clearly the answer is more lactose right? Lol
Thanks. My son has a lot of intolerances and allergies (which cause him digestive issues and breathing difficulties), so I understand exactly what you are saying. I am certainly going to discuss this with my dr when I see her next. Especially after doing 20g of carbs for 6 days and feeling pretty good and then having the pizza on Tuesday and within a short time feeling miserable*, including abdominal pain, and then feeling lousy* on Wednesday. I'm feeling better today; but from that experience I really want to stay away from carbs ... (*including hypoglycaemic episodes where I then had to eat even more because I was crashing). I also found the more carbs I ate, the more I craved carbs (it was crazy Wednesday am). Thanks again . Elizabeth Maryam
I understand that! My daughter feels the same way. She had several hypo's while adjusting to low carb and using the insulin pump when she first started. As a T1D hers was due to taking more insulin than needed (not totally unlike your body producing too much insulin for its needs) and can escalate quickly depending on the amount of over treatment. She really didn't want to use more carbs than needed to fix it so she experimented a bit. Mostly, she learned that to some degree her liver would secrete glycogen to offset the low, but it may not happen fast enough. She had to determine how fast bg was dropping, so she tested when she felt low. If she was over 65, she wouldn't eat carbs, she would test again in 10 minutes. If it dropped below 60 by then, she would eat some almonds and test again in 15 minutes. (About 10g carbs worth) If it started coming up by then, she wouldn't eat anymore. If it was a lot lower than 60 at that 10 minute check, like 55 or lower, then she would use a fast carb like gummy bears or something because bg was dropping too fast. She tries to take carbs in no more than 10g doses and just check bg after 10-15 minutes each time.
She's done really well with this to my surprise. She's not a patient person. When youre hypo, as I'm sure you know, you're in a panic the whole time. It's hard not to just eat everything in sight. But that panic is a defense of the body and will cause the glycogen release and I feel like if it's safe to allow the body to correct the hypo, by checking bg every 10 minutes and reacting accordingly, then it's probably going to be better at figuring out the right amount.
Thank you for sharing your daughters experience. I am glad she has you to support her in doing LC. Otherwise, she would be taking even more insulin and likely experiencing more hypo episodes.Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »What I have found is that they assume that you will not be eating enough food in general. They automatically think you'll just cut out the carby foods and eat the rest like normal. I remember the diabetes nurse saying something like "you have to eat. You can't just not eat". Uh... So does that mean she thinks there's no other food? Lol
It really illustrates their lack of knowledge because they don't even consider that you eat more fat then...
Perhaps; but I like food too much to starve myself ... lol. And I think they would know that (or should have concluded that) from my questions about certain food groups/macros. I think they were not listening to me ... Lol. Take care, Elizabeth Maryam0 -
MaryamCh2013 wrote: »I just remembered another thing they said .... that eating too few carbohydrates would leave my body eating up my muscles and that they (my muscles) would waste away .......
I think that would only happen IF I wasn't eating enough protein.
There was something in one of Dr. Fung's videos about this, and he said, "No, of course that isn't going to happen." Your body already has a system in place for when there isn't enough food - it will eat your fat. Why in the world would it turn to your muscles instead? And then there was some science about it not happening
Thank you. I will take a peek at his video. Thanks for sharing Elizabeth Maryam 0 -
Somewhere, I was asked what I would tell my younger self if I could go back in time. My answer was that my worst decisions were generally those that were made to please other people rather than myself.
Thank you. Good point. I can attest to the same; but I'm learning to do what is best for me now ... Thanks for sharing as it is a good reminder . Elizabeth Maryam 0 -
Why don't you ask them what guidelines they follow (I.e. ASPEN, ADA, JNCVIII/dash, etc.)? There is TONS of conflicting data when multiple disease states are involved; it's not an easy job nor should they be following a 1 model fits all approach. Ask insight on their rationale for their best decision...likely they may not be aware of important/omitted data on your lifestyle.0
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It is one thing to have an opinion; it is quite another to shut yourself off from the mere possibility that it may not hold for discrete subsets of the population.
Yep, fire them dogma-peddlers!0 -
Why don't you ask them what guidelines they follow (I.e. ASPEN, ADA, JNCVIII/dash, etc.)? There is TONS of conflicting data when multiple disease states are involved; it's not an easy job nor should they be following a 1 model fits all approach. Ask insight on their rationale for their best decision...likely they may not be aware of important/omitted data on your lifestyle.
Thanks. They had all the criteria. The wellness dr has known me since before I even gained this weight 4/5 years ago. I think the issue is what you initially stated, that they follow 1 model fits all approach. I suspect they follow Health Canada Guidelines; but again, this is supposed to be applicable for the general population; but not necessarily the whole population. I don't have enough knowledge to really engage them in conversation on the subject and I think they would just mow me down with their "opinion". Take care 0 -
It is one thing to have an opinion; it is quite another to shut yourself off from the mere possibility that it may not hold for discrete subsets of the population.
Yep, fire them dogma-peddlers!
Thanks. *Thumbs up. I am actually going to cancel one appointment now. Thanks again. Take care 0 -
I tried convincing my mother to follow a LCHF diet even if it's not Keto like mine but after consulting her doctor, her doctor advised that she does LCHP and still keep fat at a low due to congenital heart issues she has. I have weekly check ins with her asking how her diet is going, she always gets back to me with the same response "It's not going" meaning she's failing. My guess is because she is not consuming the fats to satiate her. Anyways, I'm wondering if the doctors advise was good or not. Does LCHF pose an issue for someone with heart issues? From my reading an understanding, no it does not.0
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I tried convincing my mother to follow a LCHF diet even if it's not Keto like mine but after consulting her doctor, her doctor advised that she does LCHP and still keep fat at a low due to congenital heart issues she has. I have weekly check ins with her asking how her diet is going, she always gets back to me with the same response "It's not going" meaning she's failing. My guess is because she is not consuming the fats to satiate her. Anyways, I'm wondering if the doctors advise was good or not. Does LCHF pose an issue for someone with heart issues? From my reading an understanding, no it does not.
I can let you know. I know my dr was not concerned and I have CHD. I'm just starting LCHF, and my dr is going to be monitoring me closely.2
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