Anyone seen my motivation ? I've lost it.
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andysport1
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I'm usually the mentally strongest person you'll ever meet, I dip in and out of LCD, I don't do LCHF. LCD works really well for me, I can train on it well, I race on it well, it makes me feel good, so why can't I stick to it ?
I do really well then I sabotage it.
I kind of think subconsciously I want to stay fat so I have an excuse for not being very good at sport.
1. I need to get my motivation back as I have a race in 9 weeks (Its massive, I need to do well), I need to be 13st something to even stand a chance.
2. In 15 years I've never let myself go below 13st 7lb (currently 14st 10lb) whats with this subconscious crap ?
Any thoughts ?
I do really well then I sabotage it.
I kind of think subconsciously I want to stay fat so I have an excuse for not being very good at sport.
1. I need to get my motivation back as I have a race in 9 weeks (Its massive, I need to do well), I need to be 13st something to even stand a chance.
2. In 15 years I've never let myself go below 13st 7lb (currently 14st 10lb) whats with this subconscious crap ?
Any thoughts ?
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Family acceptance? Friends acceptance? Self acceptance? Loose weight and rapidly folk who are used to an old me (including me) start questioning aren't you getting too skinny or fear I will get sick. Our protective self may not like the change nor the rejection of our fatter versions.1
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@andysport1 you sort of answer your own question: "I want to stay fat so I have an excuse for not being very good at sport". It's not subconscious if you're aware of it but I understand the feeling. It's not out of your conscious mind but it's like it's out of your conscious control (and it's an awful feeling I know).
If LCD works well for you why can't you stick to it? In my experience, the fat helps with compliance, why don't you try upping the fat a little?
I don't think we "let ourselves go", I think the excess weight is the body complaining because we are not giving it what it needs to be healthy. The trick is to find why has it started complaining and what can we do about it.
Sorry for not being more helpful, best of luck with finding what works for you and with your upcoming race.
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Stand naked in front of a mirror and jump up and down a bit ... take some pics (front AND back).
If you don't love what you see, better keep at it, eh?4 -
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LCD? You mean a low calorie diet? That doesn't work well for me either if I do it without being LCHF. Just cutting calories will only last a couple of weeks with me and then I get too tired and hungry and start eating. Ignoring hunger is too hard for me. Even now, I am at maintenance and my appetite has shot up, so I eat.
Are you trying LCHF now?
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The secret to motivation is that it's not required.
It's about habit. If you can stick to it for a month or two, it'll become second nature. You won't even think about it.
If you can't stick to it for a month or two, then you've got a problem. But it's a common one.
I was thinking about this the other day. What if there were a diet that was 100% proven to be safe and effective? We'd still have the compliance issue.
How do you improve compliance? Constant support seems to help. That's why I check in here pretty much every day. Sometimes I think it's obsessive, but it helps. 7 -
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Fighting the good fight - lchf- for about a year and a half (this time) but about two months ago I just seemed to lose my grip. Think I gained back 15-20 pounds and have been zig zagging back and forth with anything from keto to full on binging.
Every day I plan to get back on plan, sometimes sabotaging before I finish my first coffee. But I'm hoping that this out-of-control episode will end soon and I'll be sailing along happily in keto land. Never going to give up: the alternative for me is slow death by morbid obesity.
Still feel that my worst issues are dealing with feelings (or not)and that is at the root of my food struggles. I plan to keep chipping away at the food/feelings/fear issues regardless.
Good news is its 6PM and so far today I am on track. Even after taking a big risk and being rejected. Just gonna try to do some spring cleaning and keep moving forward right out of this bad patch. Wish me luck or send good vibes please!7 -
I'm right there with you both @wabmester & @redimock whenever I'm feeling the urge to shove food in my mouth because of stress or boredom, I just pop in here instead.... and I pop in a lot lol, food has been my crutch for 30+ years, that relationship and those feelings aren't going to change overnight, but I can change my behaviour and how I respond to those feelings (most of the time).3 -
LCD = Low carb diet, I just don't do the high fat bitLCD? You mean a low calorie diet? That doesn't work well for me either if I do it without being LCHF. Just cutting calories will only last a couple of weeks with me and then I get too tired and hungry and start eating. Ignoring hunger is too hard for me. Even now, I am at maintenance and my appetite has shot up, so I eat.
Are you trying LCHF now?
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andysport1 wrote: »
LCD = Low carb diet, I just don't do the high fat bitLCD? You mean a low calorie diet? That doesn't work well for me either if I do it without being LCHF. Just cutting calories will only last a couple of weeks with me and then I get too tired and hungry and start eating. Ignoring hunger is too hard for me. Even now, I am at maintenance and my appetite has shot up, so I eat.
Are you trying LCHF now?
High fat makes all the difference in the world!1 -
High fat helps most folk feel fuller for longer and maintain energy. Like you, I started on a couple of months low carb then I wanted to progress to a more sustainable model so added the fat in. Coconut oil in cooking, butter and even bullet proof coffee are great way to add fats in. I recently learned that if I eat carbs my stomach off /full switch fails. Pleasing others by joining in with their food choices is something I need to stop. Good luck with your running.3
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andysport1 wrote: »I'm usually the mentally strongest person you'll ever meet, I dip in and out of LCD, I don't do LCHF. LCD works really well for me, I can train on it well, I race on it well, it makes me feel good, so why can't I stick to it ?
I do really well then I sabotage it.
I kind of think subconsciously I want to stay fat so I have an excuse for not being very good at sport.
1. I need to get my motivation back as I have a race in 9 weeks (Its massive, I need to do well), I need to be 13st something to even stand a chance.
2. In 15 years I've never let myself go below 13st 7lb (currently 14st 10lb) whats with this subconscious crap ?
Any thoughts ?
More good fats. Adjust a bit. Assess effect 2-3 weeks. Rinse repeat.
Motivation is overrated. It's a fleeting feeling similar to being in love. Discipline is underrated. We brush our teeth and pay the mortgage not because we really desire to do so. We do it because it's something that helps us achieve the long games. Use the motivation when it flushes over you, but rely on the good habits you're building with discipline for when the going gets tough. I like the 80/20% guideline. 80% on point. 20% fuckup quota. YMMV. Good luck!
Edit: Metabolically, the body can't store protein as energy. So having large quantities makes no sense. Maybe you feel lousy cause low fat is bad for healthy hormone balance. Of all the diets studied...low carb and low fat has the worst track record.4 -
I wouldn't say I do low fat, but I definitely don't do high fat, I don't really like fat, I just eat food, and top up with protein shakes. I don't actually take any notice of the fat content of anything.
I eat fish at least once a day, don't eat meat at all.
Example breakfast, 2 poached eggs, Philadelphia, smoked salmon, hollandaise sauce = Is this low, med or high fat ?
Lunch, pilchards & salad = Low, med, High ?
Dinner, Dover sole & veg = low, med, high ?
Dependant how active I am depends how many protein shakes in a day.
No exercise = 2 x 1 scoop shake with 300ml semi or whole milk
So I state I'm not high fat but the truth is I actually don't know.
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High fat makes all the difference in the world! [/quote]
Why ?
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Try to focus on increasing the fat in your day until the hunger signals become easier for you, and you feel good! Your fat intake looks very low to me, and you will be hungry all the time (never feeling satisfied)! Add some butter, or coconut oil to your veggies, and fish. Best of luck with finding the balance!1
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@andysport1 if what you are doing is working for you, that is great, keep going. Sounds like something is not quite working as it is requiring more mental discipline and motivation than you have energy for. Sounds like when that drops a bit, do you get a sense of failure and just feel like giving up? The drop may be energy related and thus folks suggest higher fat foods. You already eat fish and a variety of foods that could mean without realising it, you have more fat in your diet. Good luck.1
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I find if I eat 3 x a day I don't get hunger signals, though nor do I get full signalsTry to focus on increasing the fat in your day until the hunger signals become easier for you, and you feel good! Your fat intake looks very low to me, and you will be hungry all the time (never feeling satisfied)! Add some butter, or coconut oil to your veggies, and fish. Best of luck with finding the balance!
Excellent comment, thank you, I will look at this, I've been out of ketosis for 8 weeks, had planned several times to get back in, I seem to find excuses, when I'm in Ketosis I don't seem to have any issues, it seems to be a mental thing stopping me from jumping back on.SamandaIndia wrote: »@andysport1 Sounds like something is not quite working as it is requiring more mental discipline and motivation than you have energy for. Sounds like when that drops a bit, do you get a sense of failure and just feel like giving up? The drop may be energy related and thus folks suggest higher fat foods. You already eat fish and a variety of foods that could mean without realising it, you have more fat in your diet. Good luck.
I'm really fortunate that I don't suffer hunger signals, which means to go from high carb diet to low carb and be in Ketosis usually takes about 36 hours **
I have no food just protein shakes (a special blend with vitamins & minerals), Sunday is usually a good day as I can pop a 5 to 6 hour bike ride in, there goes 6000 cals, then a swim on the night gets shot of another 1000 cals.
I'm pleased I posted here, I weighed myself this morning, started on the protein shakes, 2 hour bike ride, (still lacking mentally to stay out) I'll swim tonight and ride again tomorrow morning, when the colour changes on my test strips "I'll feel better" (I hope).
** I read quite often people say it takes 3 weeks to get into ketosis, is that right or am I miss understanding something.
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Without the healthy sources of fat you don't get the benefits of healthy hormone production.
People that continue to use vegetable oils and margarine don't get the reduction of inflammation and those fake fats do nothing for human hormone production. I don't know if you use those or not, but without being concerned with fat in general, it seems likely.
The high protein, especially in shake format, probably whey, doesn't do for the body what fat can. It's just a way to feel full without much further benefit than the temporary fix. It cannot be stored, so it will become glucose and ends up functioning much the same as if you had eaten bread instead.andysport1 wrote: »
High fat makes all the difference in the world! [/quote]
Why ?
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Don't take my word for it.
Watch Asprey, Masley and Westman's presentations to learn more about the important role of fat in a low carb diet.
http://truthaboutfatlosssummit.com/wdftro/?inf_contact_key=ad98dc1aab932cfe18b44f2d6916db92a66c7d2d232750a5e0d65ce9ce8e69d31 -
andysport1 wrote: »
LCD = Low carb diet, I just don't do the high fat bitLCD? You mean a low calorie diet? That doesn't work well for me either if I do it without being LCHF. Just cutting calories will only last a couple of weeks with me and then I get too tired and hungry and start eating. Ignoring hunger is too hard for me. Even now, I am at maintenance and my appetite has shot up, so I eat.
Are you trying LCHF now?
Ah! Gotcha.
Perhaps try logging your foods for a few days to see where you are on the macros spectrum. If your fat is too low (for example, under 50% might be a bit low) then you can tweak it a bit by adding some olive oil or butter to your fish, or putting a bit of extra full fat dressing on a salad.
Many of us find the macros of low carb, moderate protein, and high fat to be very filling and anti-inflammatory. Some of us don't seem to get the same benefits when protein is higher than fat; we can't stick to it as well. It really varies though, so if what you are doing works consistantly for you, then stick with it. If it doesn't work all the time, then you may want to change things a bit to see if something else works better.
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andysport1 wrote: »I read quite often people say it takes 3 weeks to get into ketosis, is that right or am I miss understanding something.
1-2 days is typical for ketosis. 3-4 weeks is supposedly typical for "keto-adaptation."
If you're doing 6-hour bike rides, you can tolerate plenty of carbs and still be ketotic.
There's no real test for keto-adaptation other than measuring RQ.1 -
andysport1 wrote: »I read quite often people say it takes 3 weeks to get into ketosis, is that right or am I miss understanding something.
1-2 days is typical for ketosis. 3-4 weeks is supposedly typical for "keto-adaptation."
If you're doing 6-hour bike rides, you can tolerate plenty of carbs and still be ketotic.
There's no real test for keto-adaptation other than measuring RQ.
What is keto adaption please ?
The issue with carbs is balancing them out so one doesn't dip in & out of ketosis, dipping in & out is like hitting the wall in a marathon, not something I enjoy so I kind of just avoid carbs beforehand and whilst out on the bike.
What is RQ ?
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RQ = respiratory quotient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_quotient
It's a measure of carb vs fat metabolism.
Keto-adaptation is a phrase coined by Phinney:
The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living
It's not a single adaptation, but the 3-4 weeks are typical for the time it takes for several biological systems to reach a steady state while ketone and FFA levels are high.
For athletes, it's the time it takes to re-reach your peak performance as a fat burner.4
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