Can someone help me understand this
Beachlady228
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Does losing on LCHF prevent these metabolic problems?
After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight http://nyti.ms/1TeVWnG
After ‘The Biggest Loser,’ Their Bodies Fought to Regain Weight http://nyti.ms/1TeVWnG
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Sigh... I'm going to have to endure hunger the rest of my life. Even HFLC eating can only help just so much. I can only hope I have the vigilance to continue for the next 20 years.1
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I think the problem with biggest loser contestants is muscle loss. If you lose that much muscle how could you possibly maintain that weight without always eating that strictly and working out that hard? Isn't the key to long term success keeping your muscle?
I have barely exercised at all in the past year and I've lost body fat percentage and gained it on skeletal muscle. I'm talking percentages. So, maybe I've lost some muscle, but overall the average percentage of my weight from skeletal muscle is more than when I started.
This makes me think of the show My Diet is Better Than Yours. The woman that "won" the competition lost the largest percentage of total bodyweight, however, she lost quite a lot of muscle and her percentage of lost body fat wasn't anywhere near the guy that did the Keto diet. That guy placed second, lost the highest percentage of body fat while actually gaining muscle and exercising by walking in his neighborhood a few times a week while pushing a baby in a stroller.
I really don't think the lower metabolism would apply to anyone that didn't sacrifice muscle for the sake of seeing what they wanted to see on the scale and exercising beyond what's actually productive.4 -
Sigh... I'm going to have to endure hunger the rest of my life. Even HFLC eating can only help just so much. I can only hope I have the vigilance to continue for the next 20 years.
I feel you.
I hit goal, then regained 10lb. Le sigh...
Maintenance can require as much vigilance for some people as losing, and I'm one of them.4 -
So I am new to Keto... but I am not finding it hard to eat this way. My wife, who doesn't need to lose weight, (she thinks she does) is cooking keto. We are eating better... feel better... have more energy... and she is losing weight as well. She is now a few pounds from what she was when we got married.
The only thing I haven't figured out yet is if/how to stay on keto and still enjoy a bevy on a Friday night. However, I am not going to worry about that until I hit my target weight later this summer.0 -
I think I have read this article 20 times today... I am terrified of maintenance.. it scares me when i see these biggest losers regain their weight and I saw drew Carey on the price is right the other day and he also has regained a lot.. although he did get very thin so i think he looks better... I am still losing and trying to picture my life in maintenance... is there a way to find out if you have a damaged brm?0
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eileenhealy wrote: »I think I have read this article 20 times today... I am terrified of maintenance.. it scares me when i see these biggest losers regain their weight and I saw drew Carey on the price is right the other day and he also has regained a lot.. although he did get very thin so i think he looks better... I am still losing and trying to picture my life in maintenance... is there a way to find out if you have a damaged brm?
As confining as it might sound, I think the key is having your weight-loss diet closely resemble your (ahem) permanent diet.
If you aim for a relatively slow but steady rate of weight loss, the transition to maintenance might not be that abrupt!
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I can relate to the maintenance struggles. As soon as I lose the recently regained 20, I will be attempting Maintenence: Take 4... might even be "Take 5". I have not found a way to work it effectively and end up binging ferociously- this time for 2 months.
I keep reading about it and trying to learn from mistakes. Will keep at it til I get it right. permanent regain is not an option for me and I will find a way to make it work. But this is not an easy transition for me.2 -
I can relate to the maintenance struggles. As soon as I lose the recently regained 20, I will be attempting Maintenence: Take 4... might even be "Take 5". I have not found a way to work it effectively and end up binging ferociously- this time for 2 months.
I keep reading about it and trying to learn from mistakes. Will keep at it til I get it right. permanent regain is not an option for me and I will find a way to make it work. But this is not an easy transition for me.
Just keep swimming, right?
I'm on Take 2 myself. Trying to get off a 10lb regain...some is muscle, and some is water from going higher carb. But all of it isn't that. I have one of those appetites that is ferocious and it takes a lot of food to fill my hungry. My body is convinced it needs to put more weight back on. Too frickin' bad for my body. I have a little bit of say. And I'm exercising it.4 -
Although this stuff scares me, I think it is helpful to know it is coming and that when I reach my goal weight, it will not necessarily be easier and it might be even harder. I am committed to this WOE, and as @baconslave says, I have a say. I will find a way to keep the weight off.0
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I'm a greedy *kitten* (b.a.s.t.a.r.d)! Acknowledging that I'm a foodie...I know I will have to keep an eye on things. I maintained for almost a year...then changed a couple of things + eating ad libitum. Regain creep.
I think I need to have some basic rules going on, while keeping enough flexibility as to not develop OCD. We all have to find our own balance.3 -
So I am new to Keto... but I am not finding it hard to eat this way. My wife, who doesn't need to lose weight, (she thinks she does) is cooking keto. We are eating better... feel better... have more energy... and she is losing weight as well. She is now a few pounds from what she was when we got married.
The only thing I haven't figured out yet is if/how to stay on keto and still enjoy a bevy on a Friday night. However, I am not going to worry about that until I hit my target weight later this summer.
I drink every weekend but WHAT I drink since I've started Keto is a lot different. Gin and seltzer water is my go-to. My bf (also keto) drinks scotch, whiskey, or captain morgan and diet coke. I've always been a wine drinker and I'm told you can drink some dry wines (my favorite anyway) and stay in ketosis.... however I don't want just one glass of wine lol so I stay away from it.
I pretty consistently "gain" .5 pound from Friday to Monday (the only two days I weigh..) but Friday to Friday I'm usually down more than that .5 pound. I know if my diet did not include a drop of alcohol I would not be able to stick to it. Call it what you will but this works for me.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ketodrunk
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Although this stuff scares me, I think it is helpful to know it is coming and that when I reach my goal weight, it will not necessarily be easier and it might be even harder. I am committed to this WOE, and as @baconslave says, I have a say. I will find a way to keep the weight off.
Don't be scared. You should think about maintenance from the beginning, but worrying over it is putting the cart before the horse.
Learn, read, listen to strategies other people find helpful, experiment in what works best for you. Cement good habits and routines, and file away for maintenance what you pick up. Some people don't have a hard time maintaining, and others like me do. You won't know until you get closer. In the meantime, put an ever-updated maintenance plan in your pocket, which will evolve from the new lifestyle (habits, routines, and experiments) you are forming. You'll have tools in your toolbox that will help minimize the new learning curve you will experience once you reach goal.
I thought I could just eat to appetite for maintenance. Or wished I could. I tried it, and it just doesn't work for me. So I must log forever. A PITA, but not the end of the world.
The closer to goal weight, the more the body fights. Knowing that ahead of time takes the sting out of it. Life is happening to you, and all the unpredictability that carries, and will continue to do so the rest of your life. Figure out how to navigate that successfully and not let it derail you, and you'll be one step ahead when you go to maintenance mode. Weight will fluctuate for no apparent reason, you'll need to tweak what you are doing, you'll need to bounce back from hormonal imbalances or illnesses, and etc. And on and on. That's silly life for you.
Like I have in my profile pic right now:
"Losing weight is hard. Maintaining weight is hard. Overweight is hard. Choose your hard."
Life is hard. But we are strong.
Anything worth doing takes effort, right?
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Agree with @baconslave. Wise words, hun. I'll add that doing a week or two accidentally or on purpose while dieting can be a good trial run. It works as a little break from scale victory dependence. It can be quite addicting to see the numbers go down. But not regaining is sooo much more than that!0
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I don't know the medical and science behind LCHF and metabolism, there are many of you in this group that has a better handle on it then me. These are just my thoughts based on things I have read and contemplated since starting this WOE.
The take away I get from this article and other related articles is that we need to listen to our bodies. The BL people while on the show did not listen to their bodies. Instead they punished their bodies by restricting the calories and type of food consumed and vigorous and probably harmful exercise (there were a lot injuries reported during filming).
Some of the things I have learned about being on LCHF is that it is healing. Many of the members of this group have reported how LCHF have healed physical and medical issues. My first thought after reading the article is that these people need to be on LCHF, so that their bodies can heal from what they had done to it. Many of the people in this group promote that we listen to hunger signals and eat accordingly. Some days we may eat a lot less calories and some days we may eat a lot more. But we need to trust our bodies to tell us what it needs. I know for myself there has been times when I have eaten over 2,000 calorie, which is a lot for my 5' 2" frame. But my body liked it and I have often seen a weight loss the day after. A blog that I have come across awhile back had me thinking that we really need to trust our bodies to know what it needs.
http://myzerocarblife.jamesdhogan.com/wp/2015/03/when-lowering-carbs-causes-weight-gain/
If you look at the follow up video of the NY times article. http://www.nytimes.com/video/science/100000004377076/why-its-hard-to-keep-the-pounds-off.html?emc=edit_th_20160503&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=67918079
You will notice at the end the couple is measuring their food intake, labeling even how much calories that food item is. it seems to me that they are not listening to their bodies, but still telling their bodies what it needs to be healthy. I am not a proponent of CICO. I don't count calories. I just make sure I get enough fat in my diet and keep my carbs low. It is working for me.
My weight loss has slowed down. Partly because there has been days where I have not been so good. Partly because I think I am eating too much stuff like cheese which is okay on this WOE, but my body does not respond as well for weight loss. And partly probably because my body for whatever reason does not want to go further right now other than small few ounces every few days. I am learning to be okay with that, because that is what my body is telling me. I don't want to force my body to do more than it is willing. Sure I will make tweaks here and there but I am not going to look for that 1 pound a day loss anymore. I am listening to my body: do I feel energized?, Do I feel bloated?, Am I dizzy?, Am I hungry? etc...
On the subject of exercise. What I have read about LCHF diet is that vigorous exercise is unnecessary. Many people have even lost without any exercise. Here again I am listening to my body. I want to exercise because my body wants the physical activity. I exercise because it makes me feel good, keep the stress away. I just don't do the intense exercise I used to do with the mindset the more calories I burn the more weight I will lose.
The biggest take away is that slow is good. That is the conclusion that the couple in the video stated as well. As much as I want the big losses I had when I started this WOE. My focus has to be good health! Slow will hopefully help to look for signs of good health rather than signs of weight loss.8 -
baconslave wrote: »Sigh... I'm going to have to endure hunger the rest of my life. Even HFLC eating can only help just so much. I can only hope I have the vigilance to continue for the next 20 years.
I feel you.
I hit goal, then regained 10lb. Le sigh...
Maintenance can require as much vigilance for some people as losing, and I'm one of them.
Maintenance is harder than losing IMO. The motivation is taken away. You can strictly watch what you eat for a long period of time to reach a "goal" but when it happens and you realise you still have to watch what you eat it can actually be soul destroying. It's really hard to get into that mindset that you will have to watch your intake FOREVER or undo everything you've done.1 -
Maintenance is really tough; a 5lb gain can wreak havoc on one's psyche. Just pay attention to the scale with the same methodology each time (same time of day, fluid status, timing around meals). I'm at a point where I am literally eating the same portions/kcals per day but without being OCD about measuring everything.
I wouldn't read much into that article; apparently only 1 contestant was able to make permanent lifestyle changes. What they did in the short amount of time is not natural or healthy. It takes time to make lifestyle changes that are sustainable1 -
I put trigger weights in place. Now if I get above 55kg, (a prior goal weight) I know I need to act promptly to fix that, 56kg and there is a serious look at habits n lifestyle to be re evaluated. Otherwise, based on past experience, I will slowly creep up whilst I ignore that evil scale and convince myself my clothes shrunk in wash. Not this time. Maintenance for me is going to require tracking.2
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This looks like another good place for a tribute to the late, great Erma Bombeck:
“In two decades I've lost a total of 789 pounds. I should be hanging from a charm bracelet.”
To be sure, Erma struggled with her weight during the era of nothing but lettuce leaves, cottage cheese and Diet Tab as a sustainable eating plan. But we can all still empathize with her woes.
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I think it was either Pamela Peek or Linda Spangle who suggested creating an "Emergency Plan" to use once we're in maintenance.
First we define what is an emergency: getting up to a certain weight, not fitting into a particular pair of jeans and so on. Then we define AND WRITE DOWN the emergency response. For most of us here that would be reverting to the LCHF numbers and/or the workout schedule that got us to goal and staying there until we are back where we need to be. That works better than drifting into the danger zone while hazily thinking, Gee gotta get back on track one of these days.
Failure to plan is planning to fail, as a former manager of mine must have said 80 gazillion times. I hated it when he was right.
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I have been looking and reading a bit, sorry if I missed the obvious. I was on low carb a couple of years ago and it worked well for me, for awhile. I think I started consuming way to many calories, thinking as long as carbs were low I was okay. Not really true, since I am a food junky.
Getting to my point, I just restarted a couple days ago, and am monitoring with MFP which is a great help, but what is considered a low enough level to be sure I am going to be in Ketosis. I am currently consuming about 20g of carbs per day, I need to lose about 15 lbs so when I get down about another 10 I want to move up to 50 - 100g per day.
Am I looking at the correct or at least close numbers to where I should be. I am a 65 yr old male and do not get the exercise I used to, fortunately my dog makes me walk a few times per day. I am trying to keep calories around the 1500 per day level.
As I said it has been awhile and not sure anymore do I really need to go 0 carbs for a few days or will <20 per day get me where I need to go.
Thanks for any answers I get and any help, please no flaming if I am way off, just let me know if I am and give me advice.0 -
I have been looking and reading a bit, sorry if I missed the obvious. I was on low carb a couple of years ago and it worked well for me, for awhile. I think I started consuming way to many calories, thinking as long as carbs were low I was okay. Not really true, since I am a food junky.
Getting to my point, I just restarted a couple days ago, and am monitoring with MFP which is a great help, but what is considered a low enough level to be sure I am going to be in Ketosis. I am currently consuming about 20g of carbs per day, I need to lose about 15 lbs so when I get down about another 10 I want to move up to 50 - 100g per day.
Am I looking at the correct or at least close numbers to where I should be. I am a 65 yr old male and do not get the exercise I used to, fortunately my dog makes me walk a few times per day. I am trying to keep calories around the 1500 per day level.
As I said it has been awhile and not sure anymore do I really need to go 0 carbs for a few days or will <20 per day get me where I need to go.
Thanks for any answers I get and any help, please no flaming if I am way off, just let me know if I am and give me advice.
You don't need to go zero carb. If your long term plan is 50-100g a day, my opinion is to just do that from day one. The long term is only going to be maintained by creating a new normal. So rather than do something for a short time just to switch to something else later, seems counter productive to creating a new lifestyle that you can maintain from here on out.3 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »I have been looking and reading a bit, sorry if I missed the obvious. I was on low carb a couple of years ago and it worked well for me, for awhile. I think I started consuming way to many calories, thinking as long as carbs were low I was okay. Not really true, since I am a food junky.
Getting to my point, I just restarted a couple days ago, and am monitoring with MFP which is a great help, but what is considered a low enough level to be sure I am going to be in Ketosis. I am currently consuming about 20g of carbs per day, I need to lose about 15 lbs so when I get down about another 10 I want to move up to 50 - 100g per day.
Am I looking at the correct or at least close numbers to where I should be. I am a 65 yr old male and do not get the exercise I used to, fortunately my dog makes me walk a few times per day. I am trying to keep calories around the 1500 per day level.
As I said it has been awhile and not sure anymore do I really need to go 0 carbs for a few days or will <20 per day get me where I need to go.
Thanks for any answers I get and any help, please no flaming if I am way off, just let me know if I am and give me advice.
You don't need to go zero carb. If your long term plan is 50-100g a day, my opinion is to just do that from day one. The long term is only going to be maintained by creating a new normal. So rather than do something for a short time just to switch to something else later, seems counter productive to creating a new lifestyle that you can maintain from here on out.
^^^^ Exactly this. If it's not going to be sustainable, don't do it.1 -
I'm 7 lbs to goal and, at this point, weigh loss is so very slow. Instead of 1-2 pounds a week, it's more like 1-2 pounds a month. Most weeks, there's no change at all.
I think there are two reasons why reaching goal weight triggers weight gain in some people. The obvious is dietary change. The other is muscle loss.
When I reach goal weight, I hope to start adding back into my diet foods like oatmeal. Still no sugar, but other "slow" carbs. Up to this point, I've had to be in ketosis to effectively lose weight. Like others, this might be my WOE forever. I'm totally ok with that.
I've also started lifting weights. Adding muscle may increase weight, but it will also change my shape and burn more calories in a resting state.1 -
So I am new to Keto... but I am not finding it hard to eat this way. My wife, who doesn't need to lose weight, (she thinks she does) is cooking keto. We are eating better... feel better... have more energy... and she is losing weight as well. She is now a few pounds from what she was when we got married.
The only thing I haven't figured out yet is if/how to stay on keto and still enjoy a bevy on a Friday night. However, I am not going to worry about that until I hit my target weight later this summer.
It really depends!! I did a lot of reading a while back. From people's experience, once you've been in ketosis for a longer period of time (many months at minimum) it's a little harder to kick you out. Least for many. So they can go out every now and again. It also depends on how much you are weight lifting. Muscles will use up the carbs then. (One person who was really aiming for muscle mass would eat about 200 carbs a day once a week). Now I'd recommend fact checking me, but I think it'll end up doable. (:0 -
That article for the biggest losers doesn't scare me. In fact, I'm not surprised they gained it back. Those extreme weight loss types of shows to me set people up for failure. Many of the contestants lose a ton of weight in such a short period of time. Even done in a healthy way, I think that much weight loss in a short period of time sets them up for failure. Secondly, they are losing weight on camera in a controlled environment, with celebrity trainers. They have meals made for them by specially trained chefs. When all of that is gone, they are left alone to keep themselves accountable. They did not learn how to lose weight and maintain in "real life" by themselves. They didn't have to work or deal with the daily stressors of life. They didn't go to a restaurant or to a birthday party. The best weight loss is slow and steady and not in some camp isolated from the rest of the world. It's no surprise to me they gain this weight back. I also don't think specific diets help maintenance. I think whatever works for the individual person that they can continue as a permanent lifestyle and not feel deprived. For me, that's low carb.3
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Mandycat sez:To be sure, Erma struggled with her weight during the era of nothing but lettuce leaves, cottage cheese and Diet Tab as a sustainable eating plan.
MORE important is during that generation, and because of President Esienhower's heart attack, and Dr. Ancel Keys' influence, the entire NATION went crazy over CVD worry…the US GOV stepped in to really muck up our "choices' for foods by forbidding 'fats' …and Esienhower died eating only Melba Toast…poor man...so If we can get away from bad advice we might have a chance.
As one nutrition author has said there are NO books on "maintenance' it isn't interesting to our "instant results" society. <like HCG "drops" +500 calorie diets...just crazy because ONLY the injectable form works on the human body, the drops are a sham.>
These Links show the TREND is to higher fats, less carbs:
http://www.dietdoctor.com/the-future-is-lower-carb-higher-fat <<<< *PDF Report Here
https://www.credit-suisse.com/us/en/articles/articles/news-and-expertise/2015/09/en/fat-the-new-health-paradigm.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2695030/I-wrong-feasting-FAT-says-The-Fast-Diet-author-DR-MICHAEL-MOSLEY.html
*Credit Suisse has a 100+page amazing report on global fat and dietary changes, support for fats, etc. WORTH reading, a free PDF.
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