do you lose more on a LCHF diet than low fat
jaketwin123
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hi all,ive been wondering this and still cant really work it out so,
i have a cal total of 1300 a day and 9 times out of ten dont go over,since LC i have lost an average of 2-3lbs a week consistently over 10 wks and am very happy
last year i done low fat and in no way did i managed to lose as much weigh in the same time
so my ?? is do you in general lose more weight on a LC than a low fat diet
thanks
i have a cal total of 1300 a day and 9 times out of ten dont go over,since LC i have lost an average of 2-3lbs a week consistently over 10 wks and am very happy
last year i done low fat and in no way did i managed to lose as much weigh in the same time
so my ?? is do you in general lose more weight on a LC than a low fat diet
thanks
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I ate Low Carb Low Fat for years and always lost steadily when I stayed on track. The difference for me when I switched to Low Carb High Fat is that I'm not tempted to cheat on my diet every week because I'm satisfied with my food.3
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Here's a fun statistic for you:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0139817
1797 patients were included from 17 trials.... The probability of greater weight loss associated with low carbohydrate was >99% while the reduction in predicted risk favoring low carbohydrate was >98%.
99% lost more weight on low carb.0 -
you see that's what i dont get,if im down 3500 cal a week on LC i will lose generally 2-3 lbs
but when i was low fat i averaged 1lb mostly rarely 2 lb on low calorie
the same deficit but i seem to lose more on LC0 -
Yes, I always lose more weight on a low carb way of eating that I do on a low fat way of eating.0
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jaketwin123 wrote: »you see that's what i dont get,if im down 3500 cal a week on LC i will lose generally 2-3 lbs
but when i was low fat i averaged 1lb mostly rarely 2 lb on low calorie
the same deficit but i seem to lose more on LC
Well, that's because it's not all about calories.
Mainstream really likes the simplicity of calorie math but there's a whole lot more to weight loss than basic math.7 -
Well, that's because it's not all about calories.
Mainstream really likes the simplicity of calorie math but there's a whole lot more to weight loss than basic math.
I thought you could get burnt at the stake for having views like this.
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Well, that's because it's not all about calories.
Mainstream really likes the simplicity of calorie math but there's a whole lot more to weight loss than basic math.
I thought you could get burnt at the stake for having views like this.
I know right?!? I better watch my back!
I'm a rebel! 6 -
I'm losing a bit faster with LCHF. Not a whole lot faster, but it is the other positive changes that I'm seeing that make this WOE so much better for me then just calories counting.2
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My hypothesis is that LCHF actually changes the gut environment so that there is less calorie absorption and storage. So it plays with the "calories in" side of the equation which results in higher than expected weight loss for a given caloric deficit.
But while I'm a scientist, I'm not the kind of scientist who can test that, so I have to wait for someone else to prove my hypothesis and make millions of dollars.1 -
After years of trying, and failing (always regaining anything lost, even after weight loss surgery) with low fat diets, I have found success with LCHF that is blowing me away! The weight loss (fat loss!) has been unbelievable! I've never had results like this with low fat! Plus, with low fat I was always hangry!1
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I've tried for years with poor results.
A combination of hflc, with 16/8 intermittent fasting every day turned the trick.
Even just hflc wasn't enough.
Down 9 pounds in 3 weeks since I started IF.
I still eat 1500-1800 calories per day, but the IF seems to be the difference.
Male, 60, 5',9" , was 239, now 230.1 -
Not only have a achieved a weight on lchf and no exercise that I never got to with low fat and exercise, but when I was at the lowest weight I did get to on low fat, I was a wearing a size 6 instead of a tight size 8. I remember waiting to get my 8 pants out until I reached that weight but by the time I thought I could start wearing them, they were a bit too big!1
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thanks for all the replys and personal info,it does seem that more weight loss is the case vs low cal0
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Not only have a achieved a weight on lchf and no exercise that I never got to with low fat and exercise, but when I was at the lowest weight I did get to on low fat, I was a wearing a size 6 instead of a tight size 8. I remember waiting to get my 8 pants out until I reached that weight but by the time I thought I could start wearing them, they were a bit too big!
that's one major thing I noticed with low carb too. I'm still a good few lbs heavier than I was at my lowest after counting calories and eating at a deficit. but all the clothes I wore then fit me loosely now. I'm not even that low carb and it makes a huge difference. I think there is a lot of inflammation especially for those of us with any sort of autoimmune disorder, that is greatly reduced on low carb.1 -
i have to agree,i have joint problems especially my knees and last year lost approx 24lbs on calorie counting it made no differrence at all and was under the hospital gym and they did not imorove at all
fast forward this year and am LC and my joints improved alot and i started to noticed as soon as i was 10-14lbs lighter,ive lost 25lb now on low carb in less time than calorie counting and feel so much better,i can even kneel down now which i couldnt last year
im sure this LC has improved my joints,no doubt2 -
Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »Well, that's because it's not all about calories.
Mainstream really likes the simplicity of calorie math but there's a whole lot more to weight loss than basic math.
I thought you could get burnt at the stake for having views like this.
I know right?!? I better watch my back! I'm a rebel!
That's why we like you!!! LOL!!!2 -
I am new to this board so please forgive my uneducated self. I have officially done LCHP for over a year and am down 44 pounds. Still have 5 to go. I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (autoimmune) that causes me to have hypothyroidism. Over the years I have noticed if I eat lower carb I lose weight easier. I've always thought that was due to the thyroid problems. I have never really researched LCHF until now. If I understand correctly, one does not have to really be concerned with calorie count as long as the carbs are low (under 100 a day) and eat until satisfied but not stuffed. Eating more fat scares me because I've eaten low fat since high school. Which could be why I have a weight problem! Anyway, I do realize the quality of the fat is important. It should be a MUFA like extra virgin olive oil, coconut oil, real butter, etc.
So my question is if I keep carbs low and use healthy fats in moderation I should automatically feel more satisfied and not have to count calories? Am I understanding this correctly?1 -
yes thats pretty much as i understand but you still cant go mad on the calories,someone with far better knowledge will explain much better im sure1
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I am new to this board so please forgive my uneducated self. I have officially done LCHP for over a year and am down 44 pounds. Still have 5 to go. I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis (autoimmune) that causes me to have hypothyroidism. Over the years I have noticed if I eat lower carb I lose weight easier. I've always thought that was due to the thyroid problems. I have never really researched LCHF until now. If I understand correctly, one does not have to really be concerned with calorie count as long as the carbs are low (under 100 a day) and eat until satisfied but not stuffed. Eating more fat scares me because I've eaten low fat since high school. Which could be why I have a weight problem! Anyway, I do realize the quality of the fat is important. It should be a MUFA like extra virgin olive oil, coconut oil, real butter, etc.
So my question is if I keep carbs low and use healthy fats in moderation I should automatically feel more satisfied and not have to count calories? Am I understanding this correctly?
It's the overall control of appetite and subsequent natural calorie reduction that is thought to be the main reason this woe works so well for so many people. Most of us find a huge reduction of appetite and therefore we don't have to think about calories in order to keep them reasonably lower. BUT, there are some that do not seem to get this effect enough to be comfortable with not tracking calories.4 -
@clawson91 welcome to LCHF and the MFP forums.
Eating more fat was hard for me being 63 when I started LCHF Oct 2014. Calories still count but I do not count them daily but will a few times a year just so I know.
In my case I was losing inches of fat but not even one pound for the first six weeks. In just a few weeks my carb cravings (the kind that will make one drive to find a Coke at 2 am) just faded away so that managed my calories I guess. I eat around 2500 daily now to maintain around 200 pounds.
We are all different so try not compare your results with other posted other than to see the range of results of others. Even when I was eating 4000+ calories of processed carbs mainly I never got over 250 pounds when some would have been 400 pounds.
For my first 18 years there was no sodas in the house most of the time and I lived on mostly whole carbs we grew or grass fed beef with some home grown pork in the earlier years. Working long and hard hours year round on the farm I was never fat but not skin and bones either.
LCHF eating was just an accident in my case. I had a hunch if I would stop all sugar and all forms of all grains it would manage my joint and muscle pain so I would not have to start Enbrel injections and face possible side effects at my age and state of health. 30 days after i cut out the sugar and all grains Oct 2014 my subjective pain levels of 7-8 dropped to 2-3 and still remains low. After 6 months my 40 years of life defining IBS like symptoms fully resolved and has not returned. Blood work, blood pressure, weight, etc have all improved since late 2014.
After all of this time I am still learning how to do LCHF better as I read more research as to how/while it works. In short give yourself a lot of time to tweak LCHF based on what your body will tell you vs. the way I or others may be doing LCHF. My macro is roughly 5% carbs, 15% protein and 80% fats. I do check my breath acetone levels daily to help me manage my carbs so I stay in at least a low level of Nutritional Ketosis. For that I use a $15 breath alcohol meter off of eBay. I do have the Precision Xtra blood glucose/ketone meter that I may use every few months if I want to know true glucose/ketone levels.
Best of success.2 -
when I did low fat I had to exercise religiously 30 min a day to see the scale budge and I was always hungry. it was manageable but not for the long haul. I did Atkins about 12 years ago with great results and no workouts. That dumb gov't food pyramid is such a lie, it will only make your teeth bad and your body will become so full of inflammation, you just want to eat oreo's to agree with it. Good rich fats are priceless! Keto has been even better than Atkins to me, really easy and I dont have to cook alot. we GRILL!!!1
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BTW, my daughter has been a proponent of low fat for years, staunch! She's been loading up on pounds lately and I have convinced her to eat the fat with me. So 5 days in, she's already lost 3 pounds and feels like she has discovered the best secret in the universe. Her clothes are already fitting better. After the headaches and sloughing off of the old glucose, she is realizing that she could be coming up to be the healthiest she's ever been. She too has thyroid troubles. It is related.2
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I lose on both lower fat low carb and low carb high fat. For me lchf is head and shoulders above on satiety and craving control. Plus I loooove eating that way!1
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Thanks everyone for your replies! I've counted calories (or points when I did WW) religiously for years. It's not going to be something I can let go of quickly or easily. But knowing it's not the end of the diet world if I go over 1200 calories (while staying low carb) is a big help!!1
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After years of trying, and failing (always regaining anything lost, even after weight loss surgery) with low fat diets, I have found success with LCHF that is blowing me away! The weight loss (fat loss!) has been unbelievable! I've never had results like this with low fat! Plus, with low fat I was always hangry!
Right after my surgery and up until about a year ago I NEVER felt hunger, even when I didn't eat. In this last year or so I started feeling hunger again and I ate when I was hungry which was nearly always. So I gained...a LOT. I went low fat, I went low cal and I could not satisfy my hunger no matter what I did.
The first two weeks on Keto I rarely felt hungry. I've now learned that if I drink a BPC in the morning I can go for hours without hunger or if I drink water the minute I wake up I can go for hours without hunger. And when I do feel hunger? It's because I actually need to eat. I love that feeling!! Sitting here right now, I realized I had my BPC around 9:30 and it's after 1:00 and I'm thinking it's time for a little lunch... not because I think about food all day but because my gut says it's time to eat.1 -
I actually lost at a similar rate on the Dukan diet (low carb/low fat) as on keto. I did notice, though, that I lost a little more belly fat comparatively when I was on keto.0
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This is the first WOE, that I really enjoy.
I feel like a million bucks. Losing 3.5 lbs/week and am not suffering or wanting for anything.
I even put whipping cream in my morning coffee.
I'm only eating about 1600 calories/day but you'd never know if you looked at my plates.
I can really see eating this way for the long run.
I only have 18 lbs left before I'll need to up my calories. I've dropped about 80 so far.3 -
As for loosing faster or slower? I have friends that are full keto and I am just LC (100g/day) I was also IR.
The weight loss for them was faster to start but by 6 months in we are about 6-7 pounds away from each other. I attribute their extra loss from keto to that initial water weight.1 -
I lose and maintain best on veggie based carbs and good quality protein with medium chain triglycerides as my fat.
It isn't just about seeing the scale number go down though
It is easier to build and maintain muscle mass while exercising on a lower carb diet lifestyle. Those sugar calories are empty high octane fuel really only good for energy bursts when needed.
Low carb makes metabolic sense for me. I really don't care what the mainstream diet industry is promoting anyway. I am much more active than the mainstream American and I need the extra protein. All of my calories need to actually bring something to the table
After decades of struggling with weight I have found what works.
A good balanced low carb high fiber diet works!
It has given me my freedom of living and enjoying life as a fit person back.4
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