% of Calories or Not, It’s a High-Protein Diet (or it should be)
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The attack against meat seems to be the historical norm, and there's not chance of it changing any time soon. They were saying the same things about meat 100 years ago, even when all attempts to prove their claims failed. They'll probably continue for decades from this point, maybe forever. I think it goes right along with the ideas that "eating should not be pleasurable because pleasure is a sin" and "fat people are sinners who have excess fat as divine punishment for their sins, they can only get rid of that fat with diligent and painful repentance."5
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This isn't about fat as harmful to your health. It's not. Butter is great and it's not going to clog your arteries, neither will bacon grease, or any other animal fats. It's about eating meat and not just consuming fats by themselves to hit some magic macro percentage.
I eat a lot of fat. A lot of fat. I can often get over 200 grams of fat in a day. I don't add any fat to my meals and I don't eat fat by itself. It's not about avoiding fat. If you eat enough meat, you'll get plenty of fat along with it.
WOW! How are you eating this much fat. I'm trying to lose weight at 1500 cal per day. I have a very hard time even reaching 100 gr of fat.
I eat more meat than anything else. Skip breakfast. Still don't lose weight.
Have arthritic knees so exercise is difficult.0 -
Midnightgypsy0 wrote: »This isn't about fat as harmful to your health. It's not. Butter is great and it's not going to clog your arteries, neither will bacon grease, or any other animal fats. It's about eating meat and not just consuming fats by themselves to hit some magic macro percentage.
I eat a lot of fat. A lot of fat. I can often get over 200 grams of fat in a day. I don't add any fat to my meals and I don't eat fat by itself. It's not about avoiding fat. If you eat enough meat, you'll get plenty of fat along with it.
WOW! How are you eating this much fat. I'm trying to lose weight at 1500 cal per day. I have a very hard time even reaching 100 gr of fat.
I eat more meat than anything else. Skip breakfast. Still don't lose weight.
Have arthritic knees so exercise is difficult.
I eat 2,800ish calories a day. A couple pounds of fatty steak, or 75%/25% ground beef can really add up the fat totals. I also like ribs, which are very fatty, and other greasy and fatty cuts.4 -
Thanks @FIT_Goat.
I'll kick it up a notch....1 -
canadjineh wrote: »More for meat: my new word for the day thanks to Richard David Feinman .... antidiscarnivorianism. (not arguing for meat but rather opposed to inaccurately attacking meat)
(Bio: Richard David Feinman is Professor of Cell Biology (Biochemistry) at the State University of New York (SUNY) Downstate Medical Center in Brooklyn, New York. Dr. Feinman’s original area of research was in protein chemistry and enzyme mechanism, particularly in blood coagulation and related processes.)
Interesting read - his blog "Carrot Nation" https://feinmantheother.com/2014/05/08/carrot-nation/
Ah, yes, I see you've been onto him for a while now.1 -
Great post on gluconeogenesis:A couple studies that more directly address protein intake and GNG:
Dietary Proteins Contribute Little to Glucose Production, Even Under Optimal Gluconeogenic Conditions in Healthy Humans
Fast 12h.
Eat 23g protein, 19g fat.
In the 8h that followed, body produced 50g glucose, 4g of which came from protein intake.
But they didn't supply very much protein, so most of the protein and glucose came from endogenous sources.
What we want to know is what happens when glycogen is depleted (because that's what happens on a low-carb diet) and then you eat a bunch of protein.
As you might expect, GNG goes up.
Gluconeogenesis and energy expenditure after a high-protein, carbohydrate-free diet
In conclusion, increased gluconeogenesis contributes to increased EE after consumption of an H diet for 1.5 d following a decrease in body glycogen stores. Forty-two percent of the increase in EE after the H diet was explained by an increase in gluconeogenesis. The energy cost of gluconeogenesis was 33% of the energy content of glucose.
OK, that's kind of interesting. GNG goes up (as well as EE) when glycogen is depleted by exercise. But what about under conditions of homeostasis on a low-carb diet? I've never seen that question addressed, but we do know what happens during glucose homeostasis of fasting....
What does all this tell us? Only that context matters a lot. Keto is most similar to the fasting context, which drives GNG pretty hard.
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Thanks for bumping this up. I have been reading pros and cons of higher protein. I am upping mine slightly. I had dropped mine to see if there was a difference. Didn't help the weight loss.
Do I see someone mentioned ribs, so off I go to get some of those.1 -
Ah, nothing like a good ol' FIT_Goat rant to set the tone.
I stand by pretty much everything I said. I haven't seen quite as many people worried about being kicked out of keto because they ate 105 grams of protein when their goal is 80 grams. There is, still, too much concern about what I consider "normal" levels or protein. Most here would consider my "normal" levels to be high.
What has become of me? I've become too tolerant and boring.1
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