Please silence my fears... Make the voices stop...
Shadowmf023
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So I live in South Africa where there is currently a lot of opinions on banting and so forth. A lot of people are saying it's bad for heart health and causes clogged arteries, or that it increases bad cholestrol or whatever. One side is really for it 130%, the other is 130% against it. Some studies have also shown that South Africans are 40% more susceptible to cholesterol issues due to some genetic thing?
Here's the thing. My dad is diabetic. He used to eat a lot of fatty food like sausages and cheese and so on before he got married to my mother. Along with other rich things, he was, in essence, eating LCHF. He also had a clogged heart artery that had to be opened. I'm not sure wether this was because of his diet or because he was becoming diabetic?
There aren't a lot of studies on this diet that are long term. So people who do this long term...please chime in and silence my fears...
Also another fear. I've had issues with calories in the past. It makes me obsessive. But I'm sooo scared to stop counting because I just don't trust myself... And I'm hesitant to try on this WOE too. I hate being so obsessed with food and I'm really hoping that, if I can stick with this WOE, I can just eat, and learn to trust my hunger cues again. But I'm afraid to take that chance even though I REALLY want to.
I'm sorry I'm making so many useless threads, Lol, it's because I'm a newbie to this I suppose. Even though I've been reading the launch pad resources, all this controversy going on in my own country about banting is confusing me.
Please silence the voices... Lol
Here's the thing. My dad is diabetic. He used to eat a lot of fatty food like sausages and cheese and so on before he got married to my mother. Along with other rich things, he was, in essence, eating LCHF. He also had a clogged heart artery that had to be opened. I'm not sure wether this was because of his diet or because he was becoming diabetic?
There aren't a lot of studies on this diet that are long term. So people who do this long term...please chime in and silence my fears...
Also another fear. I've had issues with calories in the past. It makes me obsessive. But I'm sooo scared to stop counting because I just don't trust myself... And I'm hesitant to try on this WOE too. I hate being so obsessed with food and I'm really hoping that, if I can stick with this WOE, I can just eat, and learn to trust my hunger cues again. But I'm afraid to take that chance even though I REALLY want to.
I'm sorry I'm making so many useless threads, Lol, it's because I'm a newbie to this I suppose. Even though I've been reading the launch pad resources, all this controversy going on in my own country about banting is confusing me.
Please silence the voices... Lol
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There have been plenty of studies indicating that cholesterol and dietary fat do not negatively impact heart health. our father may have been eating fatty meats but I bet he was also eating at least a piece of toast or pizza crust or a hamburger bun. High fat - high carb IS a recipe for heart disease.
I think you will be able to trust your hunger cues but I would track for a few weeks. I thought I really knew calorie counts and could guess carbs since I've calorie counted for so long. WRONG! There are carb counts in some items that have really surprised me!4 -
There have been plenty of studies indicating that cholesterol and dietary fat do not negatively impact heart health. our father may have been eating fatty meats but I bet he was also eating at least a piece of toast or pizza crust or a hamburger bun. High fat - high carb IS a recipe for heart disease.
I think you will be able to trust your hunger cues but I would track for a few weeks. I thought I really knew calorie counts and could guess carbs since I've calorie counted for so long. WRONG! There are carb counts in some items that have really surprised me!
That's true. I am still somewhat tracking. I know the calories of most things by now. I'm trying not to look at calories too much. Or trying to not see the actual number, just checking if it's green if that makes sense.0 -
Bump - just because I'd like to hear more opinions
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Dr. Peter Attia has a ton of stuff regarding your questions, I highly recommend checking out his website at http://eatingacademy.com/ . He has an entire series on cholesterol and its role in the body. It's a bit weighty, but well worth the read. He also has a ton of other posts on the diet as it relates to heart health.
You're in a particularly volatile political minefield right now, due to the Tim Noakes thing, so it's good to be mindful of that. The SA government is basically trying to "save face" and string Noakes up for going against their recommendations. As a result, it has stirred up a ton of controversy on top of the already heated argument that is diet and health.
Also, check out the Launch Pad pinned at the top of the group. There are several links in there regarding the diet as it relates to heart disease, because it's a very, very common question. The tl;dr version, though -- diabetes puts you at far more risk for heart disease than LCHF, so even if there was risk (or it was neutral regarding risk; which it's actually shown to decrease risk), its reversal of diabetes arguably outweighs any risks when it comes to heart health.7 -
My cholesterol has not gotten worse eating this way. All my numbers indicate a non-significant change in the total numbers. My HDL and trigs are excellent. Eating this way won't kill you.0
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Ultimately its all about you and your health, I recommend arranging for some basic health screening tests so you can see for yourself what changes are happening in your body. Make sure you have a baseline based on your current eating habits and test again in 3 or 6 months to see the changes.
Personally, my cholesterol and blood sugar has dropped significantly with this woe, I hope you have the same success.4 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »Dr. Peter Attia has a ton of stuff regarding your questions...
Buried somewhere on his site is his clinical experience. IIRC, he said about 1/3 see an increase in LDL, about 1/3 see a decrease, and about 1/3 see no change.
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My cholesterol numbers improved on this diet.0
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How much sugar did your father eat?0
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Dragonwolf wrote: »Dr. Peter Attia has a ton of stuff regarding your questions...
Buried somewhere on his site is his clinical experience. IIRC, he said about 1/3 see an increase in LDL, about 1/3 see a decrease, and about 1/3 see no change.
Didn't know that, good to know. Given that the "increase" in LDL on the typical test isn't necessarily a bad thing (increase in size, not number), it'd be interesting to see if he analyzes how many of that 1/3 that see an increase actually see an increase in number and heart disease risk (I assume some will, since "hyperresponders" are a known phenomenon, but I'm curious as to how many).2 -
Cryren8972 wrote: »How much sugar did your father eat?
I have no idea. He usually talks about eating bacon and eggs, fresh cream (straight out the bucket! Lol [my father is 78, they used to "make their own"]), lots of jerky, sausages and cheese, he also liked fruit a lot. Especially watermelons. And grapes. Oh, and fish and chips.
To be fair his father was also diabetic and died of a stroke. Might be some genetics going on. Which I won't have, because I'm adopted.1 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »Dr. Peter Attia has a ton of stuff regarding your questions...
Buried somewhere on his site is his clinical experience. IIRC, he said about 1/3 see an increase in LDL, about 1/3 see a decrease, and about 1/3 see no change.
Didn't know that, good to know. Given that the "increase" in LDL on the typical test isn't necessarily a bad thing (increase in size, not number), it'd be interesting to see if he analyzes how many of that 1/3 that see an increase actually see an increase in number and heart disease risk (I assume some will, since "hyperresponders" are a known phenomenon, but I'm curious as to how many).
He's not a big believer in LDL size as a factor, but he is a big believer in the LDL particle count being a big factor, and he makes it clear that LDL-C often fails to predict LDL-P. I.e., get an NMR.
It’s not that LDL-C is meaningless, it’s just that 30-50% of the time it’s not in line with the actual driver of risk, LDL-P.
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