Phase 2: The Keto Bulk

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  • kirkor
    kirkor Posts: 2,530 Member
    Dang man, well that will be a good personal reference to use later when thinking about the level of dedication you're capable of. What is your version of "dose up"? :)
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    kirkor wrote: »
    Dang man, well that will be a good personal reference to use later when thinking about the level of dedication you're capable of. What is your version of "dose up"? :)

    Shoving double the recommended dosage of ON's Platinum PWO down my gullet before heading out, and then another slightly diluted shot for consumption in the gym. Unfortunately, it will probably be a couple of weeks before my order of proper stims arrive. I'll ease into those more slowly, likely not peaking with them until about six months in, and then cycling off for a few weeks. The exception will be the ones with DMAA in them as, in my experience if you use it more than a couple of times per week, it starts to lose it's kick pretty quickly. Those doses generally get saved for heavy squat and deadlift days.
  • kirkor
    kirkor Posts: 2,530 Member
    I tried making my own PWO for the first time, went with:
    ALCAR 1g
    Beta Alanine 2g
    AAKG 4g
    Cit Mal 6g

    and then depending on the time of day I'll add caffeine. I'm not sure how to evaluate whether it's working or not, but the $/serving is low enough that I figure it can't hurt.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    kirkor wrote: »
    I tried making my own PWO for the first time, went with:
    ALCAR 1g
    Beta Alanine 2g
    AAKG 4g
    Cit Mal 6g

    and then depending on the time of day I'll add caffeine. I'm not sure how to evaluate whether it's working or not, but the $/serving is low enough that I figure it can't hurt.

    With everything you listed here, the only real way to tell, is going to be gauging by feel. Your numbers looks sufficient to invoke response, without incurring the nasty side-effects of overdose (diarrhea for ALCAR, pins and needles tingling from BA). The other two don't have any notable side-effects that I have ever seen mentioned much, and their effects will be very difficult to quantify any other way anyway. Given that the whole point of Cit Mal is to prevent muscular weakness, it can be hard to tell in the short term if it's having a notable effect, or if you're just having a few really good "on" days. AAKG, there will likely be no real way to gauge outside of a lab, as it's function is more reparation, and prevention of breakdown.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Since I am too lazy to list and quantify all of the ingredients in my initial stack, I found images of all of the supp fact labels, and will just post those.

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    On heavy deadlift and squat days, the first image will be replaced with this one:
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  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
    Day 10: 8/17/16

    Back squat: 95x5/115x5/135x5/135x5x2/135x4
    Hack Squat: 135x5/155x5/185x4/225x3x3
    Leg Ext: 80x5/90x6/100x5/110x5/110x4
    Hamstring Curl: 80x5/90x5/100x5/110x4/120x6/130x7/140x6/150x6
    Standing Calf Raise: 205x10/225x10/245x9/265x8
    Seated Calf Raise: 90x10/135x7/180x5

    Back squat is still *kitten*, but I'm now seeing that it's not that the strength is gone. My hip flexors are just completely *kitten* from the last three years of sitting in a truck, computer chair, and lab. Gotta work on breaking those loose while continuing to ride the noob gain wave.

    ETA: my keto acetone smell is about close to making me puke when squatting and deadlifting. I feel bad for the poor people having to be near me in the gym.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    Tight hip flexors are the worst! I have the same issue, it prevents me from going past parallel for heavy squats so I have been using a lighter weight to work on my depth. Goblet squats and pausing at the bottom for a few seconds have been helping me open my hip flexors a bit more.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Tight hip flexors are the worst! I have the same issue, it prevents me from going past parallel for heavy squats so I have been using a lighter weight to work on my depth. Goblet squats and pausing at the bottom for a few seconds have been helping me open my hip flexors a bit more.

    That's what I've been having to do. One other thing that hurts like hell, but has been helping is loading the hell out of the super squat and letting it force me down. Only thing is you have to be careful to not let it push you past the last lockout point, or you end up trapped and looking all kinds of retarded. Ask me how I know. Haha.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    Tight hip flexors are the worst! I have the same issue, it prevents me from going past parallel for heavy squats so I have been using a lighter weight to work on my depth. Goblet squats and pausing at the bottom for a few seconds have been helping me open my hip flexors a bit more.

    That's what I've been having to do. One other thing that hurts like hell, but has been helping is loading the hell out of the super squat and letting it force me down. Only thing is you have to be careful to not let it push you past the last lockout point, or you end up trapped and looking all kinds of retarded. Ask me how I know. Haha.

    That's my biggest fear!!! And the safety bar is down super low for me because my rack is much shorter than others (5'3") so I would be laying on the floor lmao
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Another thing that can help without risking trapping as much is Zercher squats. Since you're holding the bar in the crooks of your elbows, you can always jump dump the bar forward off of you if something goes wonky.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    Another thing that can help without risking trapping as much is Zercher squats. Since you're holding the bar in the crooks of your elbows, you can always jump dump the bar forward off of you if something goes wonky.

    I have never done those before. I shall give it a try tomorrow. Thanks!
  • Zenwenner
    Zenwenner Posts: 166 Member
    You can also do that with front squats, you cross your arms in front of you like an x, stand so the bar is across you just above your collarbones, and use your hand and arms to keep it resting in place during the squat. Easier to let the bar go if you get stuck!
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
    Zenwenner wrote: »
    You can also do that with front squats, you cross your arms in front of you like an x, stand so the bar is across you just above your collarbones, and use your hand and arms to keep it resting in place during the squat. Easier to let the bar go if you get stuck!

    This is true, but due to the positioning of the bar on front squats, most have to used lower weight than with back squat, due to the forward leverage on the lower back. Zerchers lower the center of gravity tremendously, so you can use a much heavier weight for the pressure.

    For comparison sake, when I was lifting before, I could sink Zerchers at 405 easily, when my front and back squat were still in the high 200s and low 300s, respectively.
  • Majcolorado
    Majcolorado Posts: 138 Member
    Similar hip flexor issues here. My favorite is the goblet squat for those, but limited dumbbell and kettlebell selection at my gym sucks. Might have to try the Zerchers, it's been a couple decades since I've done those.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
    Day 11: 8/18/16

    Deadlift: 155x5/225x5/245x3/245x3/245x2/245x2
    BB BO Row: 95x5/115x5x5
    Shoulder Row: 45x5/55x5x2/55x4x2
    Hanging Leg Raise: 10/9/7/6/5
    Assist. Chins: 40x5/55x5/70x9/85x7 (WG)
    Seated Cable Row: 85x5/100x5x4
    Stiff Arm Pulldown: 25x10/30x10/35x7x2
    Hammer Curl: 30x5/20x7x2

    Deadlift/Pull session 2 for the week. Decided to drop the intensity and up the volume a bit. Will likely continue alternating it like this, so long as I run two DLs per week.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    @Gallowmere1984 I gave the Zercher squats a try this AM. Only used the bar because it was something I have never done before.

    Couple of questions: Do I need to start with the bar at about chest height when I take it off the rack?

    Also, because I am short...I actually hit the safety bar when I did my squat, even though it was at the lowest I can go. Am I OK to remove that entirely?
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    I actually set the bar at about mid-thigh height, then get under it and squat it out of the rack, then walk it back. This lets me gauge the weight if I'm trying heavier than usual.

    As for the safety, it's up to you. I've always just gotten rid of them when doing Zerchers, because very few racks I've ever seen can be set low enough.
  • sammyliftsandeats
    sammyliftsandeats Posts: 2,421 Member
    I actually set the bar at about mid-thigh height, then get under it and squat it out of the rack, then walk it back. This lets me gauge the weight if I'm trying heavier than usual.

    As for the safety, it's up to you. I've always just gotten rid of them when doing Zerchers, because very few racks I've ever seen can be set low enough.

    Thank you. I will try it at thigh height and see how it goes.

  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Okay, can confirm this *kitten* is legit. Sitting in an air conditioned truck, sweating my *kitten* off, and absurdly alert for only having slept nine hours since Sunday.tjzz18k2h4dp.jpeg
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Day 12: 8/19/16

    Overhead Press: 65x5/85x5/95x3/105x1x2/95x2/95x1
    Klokov Press: 55x5/65x5/75x2x5
    Hanging Leg Raise: 10x5
    Rear Fly: 70x7/85x5/85x4/85x3/
    Pushups for Burnout: 10/7/


    Got rushed due to a sudden change in work needing me this morning. Screw it, I'll make up for it when I get off today. Abs need a beating anyway.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
    Day 13: 8/20/2016

    Ab Wheel: 10/10/10/10/6
    Weighted Vest Squats: 20/20/20/15
    Weighted Vest Side Leans: 10/16/10
    Air Bike: 15/15/20/
    Leg Lift: 20/20/16
    Weighted Vest Pushups: 10/10
    Pushups: 14/11

    Workout one for the day, because I didn't feel like driving to the gym early this morning. Gonna work the squats this evening when the gym population is low.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Zercher squat: 135x5/155x4/165x3x3/
    Hack Squat: 135x5/185x5/205x5/225x3x4
    Leg Press: 90x5/180x5/200x4x3/200x3
    Standing Calf Raise: 205x10/225x10/245x10/265x10/285x10

    Session two for today, because my legs are pissing me off.
  • kpk54
    kpk54 Posts: 4,474 Member
    Hey! How 'bout that. MFP missed a "kitten". ^^
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    kpk54 wrote: »
    Hey! How 'bout that. MFP missed a "kitten". ^^

    Part of me feels like the filter may finally be giving up on me. Well *kitten*...nope, nevermind.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    edited August 2016
    Day 14: 8/22/16

    Bench Press: 85x5/115x5/125x4/135x2/135x1x3/115x4/115x3/115x2
    BB Skullcrusher: 45x7/55x5/65x3x3
    P. Fly: 85x10/100x10/115x6/115x5
    Assist. pullups: 40x7/55x7/70x10/85x7(WG)/85x9(WG)
    Assist. Dips: 40x6/55x4/70x7/85x9/85x7
    Iso-incline Burnout: 50x5/70x4/70x3

    More noob progression on almost all the things. I'll take it.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Day 15: 8/23/16

    Deadlift: 155x5/225x5/245x3/295x1/315x1/295x1x3
    BB BO Row: 95x5/115x5/135x5x4
    Shrug: 225x5/275x5/315x3x3/315x2
    Dumbell Row: 50x5/60x5x3/60x4
    Hammer Curl: 30x5x3/30x4

    315 came up with minimal grind. It's all coming back, and I feel a lot better about seeing these numbers in the first month, given my current bodyweight.
  • Smoked33
    Smoked33 Posts: 186 Member
    Congrats on the DL...very nice.
  • Majcolorado
    Majcolorado Posts: 138 Member
    Very nice indeed! Congrats on the upward movement of numbers.

    I always thought that the belief that powerlifters had to be fat was dumb.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Very nice indeed! Congrats on the upward movement of numbers.

    I always thought that the belief that powerlifters had to be fat was dumb.

    I'll admit, I believed the same, until I realized that people were paying a lot more attention to guys like Efferding, Konstantinovs, and Dan Green than some random wideloads who may be squatting 1200, but it seems a lot less impressive when you realize it's barely over 2x their bodyweight.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    Day 16: 8/24/16

    Overhead Press: 65x5/95x4/105x1x2/95x2x3/95x1
    Klokov Press: 55x5/65x5/75x4/85x2/85x1x5
    Assist Dips: 40x10/40x6/55x7/70x9/85x11/85x13
    Hang leg raise: 10x5

    Confirming that my shoulders are weak as hell. Gotta beat them harder.
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