Dr. Oz likes the Keto plan!
IowaHomeGirl
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I bought the August 15 issue of Woman's World because the cover touted the ultra-powerful new Keto Diet plan (that blasts 49 lbs in 8 weeks)! Unfortunately the diet is being endorsed by Dr. Oz.
I know he can be polarizing, but it's good to see him accept keto as a WOE.
I know he can be polarizing, but it's good to see him accept keto as a WOE.
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Hate Dr. Oz, he is a quack.3
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I fear Keto will have to have made its way to the bottom of the pop media scrap heap (like those emetic morning network TV talking heads that so often drivel forth in doctors' waiting rooms, for example), before it will have arrived.
Hard as it is to believe, the Great Oz, however he quacks, is not low-brow enough.2 -
The keto way of life will be pertrayed as a fad diet more than it has been now that Oz is talking about it.3
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KetoLady86 wrote: »The keto way of life will be pertrayed as a fad diet more than it has been now that Oz is talking about it.
I get what your're saying (feeling?), but I'm slightly more optimistic.....or more cynical, maybe.
I'd guess folks who already do keto or know something about it won't be fooled, whereas people who don't know anything about it but are in the habit of listening to him will at least have heard the word.
It's not like he's Paula Deen or Stan Marsh!2 -
49 lbs in 8 weeks sounds intense. The fastest I've clocked on Keto is 31 lbs in 10 weeks. I'm sure Oz's variant of keto involved the supplementation of green coffee bean extract and raspberry ketones.4
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https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10439698/its-starting#
Another thread concerning this topic...
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Dr. Oz may be a quack, but I recently went to a neurologist with my friend and her husband who has Alzheimer's. This was a new doctor for them and he put the husband on a ketogenic diet. Since I had been reading everything I could on it (apparently except Dr. Oz's book), I was stunned. The doc also said 3 to 4 TBL of coconut oil everyday. I was there to ask questions for my friend who doesn't have a medical background, but you could have knocked me over with a feather. I finally said to my friend "he is talking about the kind of diet I have been eating" and the doctor said to my friend "well, your friend here can help you with this!". He also said it wasn't "mainstream" but this is very good for Alzheimer's patients. So maybe the word is getting out to regular doctors. My own doctor has gone gluten free and lost 35 pounds.
Just wanted to share the good news that some "real" doctors are advocating ketogenic diets. Oh, and this doctor gives his dog coconut oil and only food he prepares for it himself.15 -
It also doesn't sound particularly healthy. I hate that kind of sensationalism. How many people will try this shiny new "diet" without researching anticipated side effects, plateau after a couple weeks and feel lousy from the keto flu, then curse Dr. Oz for leading them down the Yellow Brick Road?CommandaPanda wrote: »49 lbs in 8 weeks sounds intense.
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Dr. Oz may be a quack, but I recently went to a neurologist with my friend and her husband who has Alzheimer's. This was a new doctor for them and he put the husband on a ketogenic diet. Since I had been reading everything I could on it (apparently except Dr. Oz's book), I was stunned. The doc also said 3 to 4 TBL of coconut oil everyday. I was there to ask questions for my friend who doesn't have a medical background, but you could have knocked me over with a feather. I finally said to my friend "he is talking about the kind of diet I have been eating" and the doctor said to my friend "well, your friend here can help you with this!". He also said it wasn't "mainstream" but this is very good for Alzheimer's patients. So maybe the word is getting out to regular doctors. My own doctor has gone gluten free and lost 35 pounds.
Just wanted to share the good news that some "real" doctors are advocating ketogenic diets. Oh, and this doctor gives his dog coconut oil and only food he prepares for it himself.
Pretty darn awesome. As one who has a neurological movement disorder, is now eating a ketogenic diet and seeing improvement...pretty darn awesome. I could wish one of the 5 neuros I've seen over the last 16 years had suggested keto to me but I'll just be glad the medical profession is getting on board and keto on! Thanks for sharing this great news.
So glad I came here a few months ago to see what I could learn about keto and cholesterol and stumbled upon another thread. Thanks be to those folks in this forum who are willing to discuss what "ails" them. ❤5 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »It also doesn't sound particularly healthy. I hate that kind of sensationalism. How many people will try this shiny new "diet" without researching anticipated side effects, plateau after a couple weeks and feel lousy from the keto flu, then curse Dr. Oz for leading them down the Yellow Brick Road?
Point taken!
But if the folks you describe aren't inclined to do a lick of homework or talk to their doctors before embarking on a major dietary change (advice I'll bet Oz's lawyers insist he deliver), I'm not sure their curses will draw much of a crowd.....1 -
Good lord I hate Dr Oz and all that he represents. In a similar vein, I am a big Whole30 supporter but Melissa and Dallas lost so much credibility with me when they went on his show ... yes yes I get that it's about getting the message to the masses, but jesus, there should be a limit to fame-seeking.4
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I'm not a big fan of Dr Oz but I think "quack" is a bit stern. Maybe "open minded" would be kinder? He is, after all, a practising surgeon - and, apparently, a good one.
He is also an entertainer and yes, every fad gimmick finds its way to his show but his show is not supposed to be a science documentary and I still think goji berries are far less damaging than the fad miracle drugs that find their way to regular docs (and us), courtesy of Big Pharma.
If keto catches with popular media there will be much worse than Dr Oz soon enough.
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KetoGirl83 wrote: »I'm not a big fan of Dr Oz but I think "quack" is a bit stern. Maybe "open minded" would be kinder? He is, after all, a practising surgeon - and, apparently, a good one.
He is also an entertainer and yes, every fad gimmick finds its way to his show but his show is not supposed to be a science documentary and I still think goji berries are far less damaging than the fad miracle drugs that find their way to regular docs (and us), courtesy of Big Pharma.
If keto catches with popular media there will be much worse than Dr Oz soon enough.
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Less open minded, more knowing peddler of *kitten*.
How many other doctors do you know of, who have been called before a congressional hearing, due to their claims being so dubious, as to draw the attention of the Feds?2 -
Quack. Absolutely the definition of quack. The only deviation I would add to that is paid shill. Pay him money, he touts your ground sawdust and arsenic pills as a miracle weight loss medicine.2
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What you said; his duck-like attributes are exceedingly high. Ugh, saw the headlines on that rag of a paper. Now people are going to think I watch his show. Ugh.0
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Has anyone actually read what he has to say, beyond the 49-8 teaser?
I wasn't able to find anything about keto at Oz's glitzy, photo-stuffed website, but the little web content I did manage to choke down does set a pretty low standard.
Like a true gigolo, his heart appears too big for just one diet. There are a whole boatload of Oz diets you can wade through, and you can take a facile 5-question test to see which one is "right" for you. (Lucky me, I drew the Day-Off Diet. I didn't take the DOD quiz to see which one might be "right" for me, since I knew the answer..... ).
Here's some of the keto-hostile, ADA-derived low-fat drivel Oz spouts on diabetes:Dairy: Don’t deprive yourself of dairy. Low-fat or Greek yogurts are delicious ways to get your daily calcium and vitamin B-12. Studies have shown that people who eat yogurt daily are less likely to get diabetes, and it can help promote healthy digestion. Just watch out for added sugars and check out our Greek yogurt cheat sheet to find the best yogurt for you. Reduced-fat cheeses, 1% milk, and cottage cheese are other healthy options for diabetics.
Protein: Lori’s right to be concerned about the effect of protein on the kidneys. For people with diabetic-related kidney damage (also known as diabetic nephropathy), diets lower in protein may slow the development of kidney problems, though studies on this topic yield conflicting results. However, protein is still an important part of the diabetic diet, because diabetics are at increased risk for protein malnutrition.
Lean proteins are the best choice. Try to eat fish at least twice a week – especially fatty fish like salmon that will give you heart-protecting omega-3s. Other meats such as chicken and turkey (remove the skins) and lean cuts of beef or pork (pork loin and sirloin tend to be leaner cuts) are also good in moderation. Bake, broil or grill meat to keep it healthier. Other great sources of protein include eggs, tofu, and baked or stewed beans.
Breads and grains: Carbohydrates are the main culprit when it comes to rising blood sugar. But complex carbohydrates are absorbed more slowly than simple carbs, and won’t cause you to spike and crash as fast. Aim for whole-grain or multi-grain breads and cereals, brown rice and oatmeal.
Treats: Just because you’re diabetic doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy your snacks. Stick to baked snacks, like baked potato chips, corn chips and puffed rice. Popcorn is also a tasty high-fiber snack – just skip the buttery and sugary toppings. A little bit of reduced-fat mayo and low-fat or citrus-based salad dressings can keep your sandwiches and salads satisfying. If you can’t seem to kick your soda habit, tried flavored sparkling water or unsweetened tea with lemon. Light beer and small amounts of wine are also okay.
Thanks, Oz, I'd rather give insulin a miss.
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MyriiStorm wrote: »
It also doesn't sound particularly healthy. I hate that kind of sensationalism. How many people will try this shiny new "diet" without researching anticipated side effects, plateau after a couple weeks and feel lousy from the keto flu, then curse Dr. Oz for leading them down the Yellow Brick Road?CommandaPanda wrote: »49 lbs in 8 weeks sounds intense.
Meh, numbers like that are par for the course for people who are significantly overweight and coming from a shoddy SAD way of eating.
Have you heard about the show "My Diet Is Better Than Yours"? There was a guy on it, Kurt, who was on Abel James' Wild Diet (ie - fairly low carb, high fat Paleo). He lost 57 pounds in 8 weeks, all while his health improved.
Odds are good that both he and Oz's case study(ies) were in a similar boat and had things like water retention and inflammation that went away with the shift to low carb, especially if Oz's keto is whole-food based.
As for those that don't do homework, they'll fall by the wayside like every other fad dieter. Hopefully, some will do some research, come to places like here, and we can get them on the right path. The rest, we just ignore like we've always done. =/Dr. Oz may be a quack, but I recently went to a neurologist with my friend and her husband who has Alzheimer's. This was a new doctor for them and he put the husband on a ketogenic diet. Since I had been reading everything I could on it (apparently except Dr. Oz's book), I was stunned. The doc also said 3 to 4 TBL of coconut oil everyday. I was there to ask questions for my friend who doesn't have a medical background, but you could have knocked me over with a feather. I finally said to my friend "he is talking about the kind of diet I have been eating" and the doctor said to my friend "well, your friend here can help you with this!". He also said it wasn't "mainstream" but this is very good for Alzheimer's patients. So maybe the word is getting out to regular doctors. My own doctor has gone gluten free and lost 35 pounds.
Just wanted to share the good news that some "real" doctors are advocating ketogenic diets. Oh, and this doctor gives his dog coconut oil and only food he prepares for it himself.
That actually doesn't surprise me. Specialists, especially the high-end ones like neurologists and endos, seem to be a lot more up on the research. For neurologists, especially, keto is old news. It's been used for epilepsy for nearly a century now and is well-studied for it. As long as their research isn't limited to the first implementation of the keto diet (which was pretty literally fortified soybean oil), they usually understand the neurological benefits of keto and know that there's a ton of not-yet-tapped potential for it for most neurological issues.2 -
MyriiStorm wrote: »It also doesn't sound particularly healthy. I hate that kind of sensationalism. How many people will try this shiny new "diet" without researching anticipated side effects, plateau after a couple weeks and feel lousy from the keto flu, then curse Dr. Oz for leading them down the Yellow Brick Road?
Point taken!
But if the folks you describe aren't inclined to do a lick of homework or talk to their doctors before embarking on a major dietary change (advice I'll bet Oz's lawyers insist he deliver), I'm not sure their curses will draw much of a crowd.....
I'm on this bandwagon...those who fall off the plan before they are truly on it, and just do what they are told by the Great Oz vs research are doomed to fail all attempts at improving their WOE.1 -
I find it interesting that the two main "docs" made famous by Oprah's show have both become these peddlers of sensationalism. I used to like Dr Phil when he was on Oprah's show and first started his show, but now he's like the Jerry Springer of therapy. Same for Dr Oz...3
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KetoGirl83 wrote: »I'm not a big fan of Dr Oz but I think "quack" is a bit stern. Maybe "open minded" would be kinder? He is, after all, a practising surgeon - and, apparently, a good one.
He is also an entertainer and yes, every fad gimmick finds its way to his show but his show is not supposed to be a science documentary and I still think goji berries are far less damaging than the fad miracle drugs that find their way to regular docs (and us), courtesy of Big Pharma.
If keto catches with popular media there will be much worse than Dr Oz soon enough.
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Not a bad point. New England is experiencing such a horrific epidemic of opioid overdoses right now, and I wonder why the doctors who originally over-prescribed the painkillers are not being held responsible.3 -
Here's a Fox News release on an TV episode featuring ketogenic diets. The guests aren't exactly convicted snake-oil salesmen...Dr. Oz and David Perlmutter Discuss the Health Benefits of a Low-carb Ketogenic Diet.
Source: Fox News
Dr. Oz said a low-carb, high-fat ketogenic-style diet accelerates weight loss and can prevent diseases
such as Alzheimer's, diabetes, and ADHD.
On the Dec. 24 episode of the Dr. Oz Show, he discussed the health benefits of a low-carb diet with
neurologist Dr. David Perlmutter. (This episode first aired Oct. 21.)
In his book Grain Brain, Perlmutter said a high-carb, grain-heavy diet destroys the brain and fuels
Alzheimer's disease and other neurological illnesses.
Perlmutter, who follows the high-fat ketogenic diet, told Dr. Oz that drastically reducing carbs not only
promotes rapid weight loss, but can prevent or reverse brain conditions like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's,
and ADHD.
Research has also shown that a low-carb ketogenic diet dramatically reduces seizures in children with
epilepsy and can reverse diabetes.
And obesity expert Dr. Eric Westman said a low-carb, high-fat ketogenic diet produces rapid weight loss
without exercise or calorie-counting. Cancer researcher Dr. Dominic D'Agostino recently said a ketogenic
diet starves cancer cells.
Dr. Perlmutter, a neurologist, told Dr. Oz that a grain-heavy, high-carb diet causes neurological
breakdown. Perlmutter says we can ward off — and in many instances reverse — Alzheimer's disease,
diabetes and ADHD by following a low-carb, high-fat diet. According to Perlmutter, a high-carb diet
causes inflammation, which has a catastrophic effect on brain cells, as well as the entire body.
But after speaking with Perlmutter, Dr. Oz agreed that consuming plenty of healthy fats (such as olive
oil, avocado, nuts and salmon) and limiting processed carbs can prevent and repair neurological
damage.
Dr. Perlmutter recommends a low-carb diet — limiting carbs to no more than 80 grams a day — and
eating lots of dietary fats, such as extra-virgin olive oil, avocado, grass-fed butter, wild fish, grass-fed
beef, coconut oil, nuts. "The fate of your brain is not in your genes; it's in the food you eat," he said.2 -
I find it interesting that the two main "docs" made famous by Oprah's show have both become these peddlers of sensationalism. I used to like Dr Phil when he was on Oprah's show and first started his show, but now he's like the Jerry Springer of therapy. Same for Dr Oz...
It's even more amusing when you compare the two in another way. If Phil would listen to Oz, and Oz weren't full of *kitten* most of the time, he wouldn't be fat anymore. If Oz would listen to Phil, and Phil wasn't full of *kitten* most of the time, maybe Oz could stop being a professional pathological liar.6 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I find it interesting that the two main "docs" made famous by Oprah's show have both become these peddlers of sensationalism. I used to like Dr Phil when he was on Oprah's show and first started his show, but now he's like the Jerry Springer of therapy. Same for Dr Oz...
It's even more amusing when you compare the two in another way. If Phil would listen to Oz, and Oz weren't full of *kitten* most of the time, he wouldn't be fat anymore. If Oz would listen to Phil, and Phil wasn't full of *kitten* most of the time, maybe Oz could stop being a professional pathological liar.
Jesus. You guys could make The Onion writers cry in their beer.5 -
Here's a Fox News release on an TV episode featuring ketogenic diets. The guests aren't exactly convicted snake-oil salesmen...
I think that's a great example my biggest issue with Dr. Oz: he's like the Reader's Digest of the health and wellness world. Stuff like keto and Whole30 gets put on the same level as raspberry ketones and green coffee bean extract, and so the teeming masses assume they're all equally good.
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Given that TV doc celebs like Oz will continue to exist, I would rather they endorse something with legitimate benefit like the Ketogenic diet, instead of some miracle cure tablet or cleanse. Just my $0.02.4
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samanthaluangphixay wrote: »https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10439698/its-starting#
Another thread concerning this topic...
Thanks Samantha. I had looked for a topic on this, but didn't see this one.
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KetoGirl83 wrote: »I'm not a big fan of Dr Oz but I think "quack" is a bit stern. Maybe "open minded" would be kinder? He is, after all, a practising surgeon - and, apparently, a good one.
Mia Culpa. I'm guilty, and you're right. My characterization was highly judgmental.
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »I find it interesting that the two main "docs" made famous by Oprah's show have both become these peddlers of sensationalism. I used to like Dr Phil when he was on Oprah's show and first started his show, but now he's like the Jerry Springer of therapy. Same for Dr Oz...
It's even more amusing when you compare the two in another way. If Phil would listen to Oz, and Oz weren't full of *kitten* most of the time, he wouldn't be fat anymore. If Oz would listen to Phil, and Phil wasn't full of *kitten* most of the time, maybe Oz could stop being a professional pathological liar.
Could someone tell me what "kitten" means??0
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