Someone tell my brain I am not hungry!!
missippibelle
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My brain is driving me crazy. I have been trying to use BPC off and on for the past 2 weeks for breakfast to try IF, and to make my mornings and meal prep easier. I am not usually a coffee drinker, but I really like it. I have been using 2 T coconut oil and 2 T HWC. I AM NOT hungry today. My stomach has not growled once. My lunch break is at 11:30, an hour and a half away, so no big deal to wait...so WHY is my brain telling me to eat!! I have this voice saying, "it's OK, you have the calories for it and you haven't had anything to eat today". I am not giving in, I am not giving in. How stupid is it that my stomach isn't hungry, yet all I can think about is food.
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Sounds like the same "habit eating" that I struggle with. Right now, my belly is not only not hungry, but is actually full. However, I have been eating an afternoon nearly every day for so many years, my brain is telling me "eat, eat, eat now!"1
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Same thing I'm going through. Once 10:30 am hits I can't stop looking at the clock thinking "Can I eat now? Is it lunch time yet? Let me just get up and walk to the fridge." Because for the last 5 years I've had lunch around 11 am or 11:30 am and, even though I mostly eat at my desk for lunch as opposed to going out, I use lunch and snacking as a great way to take a mental break from my job and unwind. Plus the added blood sugar spike before LC would give me a little bit of an energy boost. I'm telling you, my job is really boring so anything to help me get away. I've been having BPC and it's great for keeping me alert and energized and full but my mind keeps telling me "You need to get up and go to the refridgerator, snack on something you're bored." I've also been drinking plenty of water so I know it's not thirst for me.0
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Same thing I'm going through. Once 10:30 am hits I can't stop looking at the clock thinking "Can I eat now? Is it lunch time yet? Let me just get up and walk to the fridge." Because for the last 5 years I've had lunch around 11 am or 11:30 am and, even though I mostly eat at my desk for lunch as opposed to going out, I use lunch and snacking as a great way to take a mental break from my job and unwind. Plus the added blood sugar spike before LC would give me a little bit of an energy boost. I'm telling you, my job is really boring so anything to help me get away. I've been having BPC and it's great for keeping me alert and energized and full but my mind keeps telling me "You need to get up and go to the refridgerator, snack on something you're bored." I've also been drinking plenty of water so I know it's not thirst for me.
That is SO me! I have a desk job and I work 10 hour days. Getting up to get a snack is a good excuse to stretch my legs and break the boredom. Eating is a habit for sure. I have always brought my lunch, so making good choices is easy, but not eating when I am not hungry is harder than I thought! That shouldn't be so hard. Breaking those habits are way harder to me than eating the correct foods.
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Is there a place you can take a break and do wall pushups? LOL I know that sounds crazy but if I get like that and I know I am NOT hungry or thirsty I go to the bathroom and do wall push ups. I know I know ... crazy ... but it works for me.5
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Catawampous wrote: »Is there a place you can take a break and do wall pushups? LOL I know that sounds crazy but if I get like that and I know I am NOT hungry or thirsty I go to the bathroom and do wall push ups. I know I know ... crazy ... but it works for me.
Love that suggestion! I have some weights gathering dust in my office, I think every time I want to shove food in my face I'm going to lift weights instead.3 -
I got a friend to go for a walk around the building this afternoon. Eating in the morning is such a habit. I've got to re-train my brain! Wall push ups are a great idea. I used to do squats every time I went to the restroom. I need to do that again with the wall push ups!0
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Someone once told me: it takes 28 days to make a good new habit and no time at all to create a bad one.3
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Someone once told me: it takes 28 days to make a good new habit and no time at all to create a bad one.
No kidding. That sounds about right. The stupid thing is that back in my college days, I rarely ate breakfast. A diet coke was it. I had to re-train myself to be "healthy" by eating breakfast, and in between meal snacks. Now I think I am supposed to eat all day long..and why?? Before, I starved all day long, so the snacks made sense. It was hard to go more than 3 hours without eating. Now I really stay full, but the habit is still there. Cutting out the snacks has been easier mentally than breakfast for some reason.
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I understand your pain! It's really hard to even figure out if the hunger is real sometimes.
I expected mine would increase when I started exercise a few weeks ago. I was prepared to eat as needed since I'm trying to gain strength and I've already been following hunger signals without calorie counting for months, but I've been having a hard time lately deciding if it's even real!
I know I'll be more hungry sometimes, but it shouldn't be all day long! I am having a hard time achieving the same appetite control I had before I started lifting, but at least some of it is only mental. It doesn't seem to matter if I eat more, I just want more and more. Not even certain foods or anything. It's not specific cravings.
I'm trying to find ways to distract from it and push it off a little longer but it's a serious mind game! Sometimes we have to exercise our will power a bit too I guess.
I just try to put it in this perspective. Waiting a while longer to eat is certainly not the hardest thing I've ever done and it won't be the hardest thing I'll ever do again either, so if I can't deal with resisting mental hunger for at least an hour or so without giving in, that's a darn shame! I don't know why this approach works for me, but when I can really wrap my head around that way of dealing with it, kinda kicking my own *kitten*, I seem to be able to make the big changes happen.
I haven't gotten there yet with this ravenous spell, but hopefully I won't be constantly wanting to nibble soon. It's getting old!3 -
missippibelle wrote: »Someone once told me: it takes 28 days to make a good new habit and no time at all to create a bad one.
No kidding. That sounds about right. The stupid thing is that back in my college days, I rarely ate breakfast. A diet coke was it. I had to re-train myself to be "healthy" by eating breakfast, and in between meal snacks. Now I think I am supposed to eat all day long..and why?? Before, I starved all day long, so the snacks made sense. It was hard to go more than 3 hours without eating. Now I really stay full, but the habit is still there. Cutting out the snacks has been easier mentally than breakfast for some reason.
Same here, I only started eating breakfast about a year ago when I was following a HPLF diet. I started doing a lot of breakfast smoothies, egg and bacon english muffins, granola bars, anything really quick I could take on the go. Also at that time, thanks to MFP and other health websites, I was taught to bring snacks to munch on throughout the day to combat hunger. That habit only started about a year ago but it's affecting me so much now. It's hard to IF because it's so engraved in me that I must eat breakfast. If I ever mention it to friends, coworkers, parents that I didn't eat breakfast then I don't hear the end of it. So now I'm trying to compromise by eating breakfast and lunch with any snacks that I need while skipping dinner. So my fast period is more like 3:00 pm to 7:00 am.0 -
I tried skipping dinner too, but that cuts into family time. I have to answer more questions from the kiddos than I do when skipping breakfast. And you are right, Sunny_Bunny, it all comes down to sheer will power right now I think until a new habit can be formed. I had a talk with myself this morning that I am not going to eat until 11:30, so don't even consider it, but I am sitting her now thinking, "am I hungry???". And so what if I am?? I am not going to die. If I were out and about and doing things other than sitting at my desk, I would ignore it and it would go away. When I did WW and was successful, I just got used to the hungry feeling and ignored it, but I also got used to eating every 3 hours. I am going to make new habits even if it is hard...3
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missippibelle wrote: »I tried skipping dinner too, but that cuts into family time. I have to answer more questions from the kiddos than I do when skipping breakfast. And you are right, Sunny_Bunny, it all comes down to sheer will power right now I think until a new habit can be formed. I had a talk with myself this morning that I am not going to eat until 11:30, so don't even consider it, but I am sitting her now thinking, "am I hungry???". And so what if I am?? I am not going to die. If I were out and about and doing things other than sitting at my desk, I would ignore it and it would go away. When I did WW and was successful, I just got used to the hungry feeling and ignored it, but I also got used to eating every 3 hours. I am going to make new habits even if it is hard...
That's what I'm doing today. In planning to fast until 6:30 tonight in hopes that I can reset my normal fasting rhythm.
So far this morning I am not having the false hunger at all. I don't know if my "pep talk" about sucking up had an effect or if I just got lucky today. Lol
I have errands to run for a few hours so I may be on the run when I have to deal with it today. One errand is getting a few things I need for dinner tonight. If I'm hungry at the store I get tempted to buy cheese sticks or something so I don't have to "suffer". Lol I'm not going to do it! Not today!
I'll have a little extra trouble though because one errand is plasma donation... sometimes feel like I want food afterward but there really isn't any reason for it. I have calories stored. I just need to take a thermos of bone broth with me. I'll be prepared.
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Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »missippibelle wrote: »I tried skipping dinner too, but that cuts into family time. I have to answer more questions from the kiddos than I do when skipping breakfast. And you are right, Sunny_Bunny, it all comes down to sheer will power right now I think until a new habit can be formed. I had a talk with myself this morning that I am not going to eat until 11:30, so don't even consider it, but I am sitting her now thinking, "am I hungry???". And so what if I am?? I am not going to die. If I were out and about and doing things other than sitting at my desk, I would ignore it and it would go away. When I did WW and was successful, I just got used to the hungry feeling and ignored it, but I also got used to eating every 3 hours. I am going to make new habits even if it is hard...
That's what I'm doing today. In planning to fast until 6:30 tonight in hopes that I can reset my normal fasting rhythm.
So far this morning I am not having the false hunger at all. I don't know if my "pep talk" about sucking up had an effect or if I just got lucky today. Lol
I have errands to run for a few hours so I may be on the run when I have to deal with it today. One errand is getting a few things I need for dinner tonight. If I'm hungry at the store I get tempted to buy cheese sticks or something so I don't have to "suffer". Lol I'm not going to do it! Not today!
I'll have a little extra trouble though because one errand is plasma donation... sometimes feel like I want food afterward but there really isn't any reason for it. I have calories stored. I just need to take a thermos of bone broth with me. I'll be prepared.
Good luck to you!
Thank you, you too!!
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Changing to 16/8 IF schedule took only a few days for me to get used to which was amazing given skipping breakfast was unthinkable for me. Now, I have realized it was a matter of wanting to eat and not a matter of actual hunger.
I agree 100% about not skipping dinner because of quality family time. My wife and I made a commitment when my daughter was born to make sure we sat at the dining table for dinner, and we do that generally 6 nights a week. I do try to make dinner a smaller meal than lunch, but that is actually a good thing since it gives me more time to talk with my family without having food in my mouth.
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@missippibelle - Something to note, too, is that when I switched to doing a Loaded Tea (BP style, with tea instead of coffee), it took me a few weeks for my body to get over the "I need food, not liquid whatever, woman" response. So I'd have a small bit of something dietary friendly with my Loaded Tea, and my body adjusted without too much pains.
That being said, I often found it easier to skip lunch back then. Eat a huge breakfast...skip lunch, eat dinner. These days, sometimes I simply am not hungry for breakfast (this is almost a year ago I was doing the Loaded Tea thing)... Like today, I finished dinner at maybe 8 pm last night, then...it was almost 1 pm before I was hungry. So I considered my water to be my breakfast...more or less, but I don't get static from anyone anymore, really. (I kind of put off a "don't even thinking about giving me crap" vibe about my dietary plan, apparently...lol.)
If I'm not hungry, I don't eat. I don't make a thing of it. Also, the HWC can be triggering an insulin response (it is insulinogenic, meaning that even though it may not have as many carbs, it still triggers a response.). healthfulpursuit.com has a "Rocket Fuel Latte" recipe she uses to give hormones a pat on the head to realize that fasting is safe and doesn't need a stress response, keeps the fat burning fuel on, etc. I think a certain part of my "you need to eat" response is that I wasn't getting much nutrition from my Loaded Tea, but the Rocket Fuel Latte does have more nutrients, so that might be consideration, too.
Of course, I'm an exception to many things, as in addition to a host of issues, I've got hypothyroidism, and apparently my little thyroid is very thirsty for nutrients and soaks them up like an oversized sponge, leaving the rest of me to thing, "hey, man, what the heck!?!"1 -
@KnitOrMiss
Thanks for the tips! I have watched some of healthful pursuits you tube videos, and I really like her. I'll check her out. Should I sub butter instead? Is that better than HWC? I may could do just CO by itself. I need to play around with it. Right now I am fighting my brain and habits more than hunger. It's crazy that I have this strong urge to eat just because... because it is time, because I haven't eaten yet today and maybe I should. NO good reasons for sure. I am working on it day by day. Today I ate a couple of pieces of bacon at 10am.1 -
@missippibelle - Maybe a switch to thinking about your BPC as "eating" might help. It is sustenance, it is brain food, albeit in a liquid form. Butter does have less impact than HWC, because the majority of the whey is whipped out to form the solid butter. The "original" BPC had coconut oil and butter. Butter is literally one step removed from HWC. Some folks notice a distinct difference - others don't.
Rocket Fuel Latte Recipe
Specifically, Leanne tends focus on dairy free. In her recipe linked above, she uses cacao butter in place of butter or cream, MCT or XCT oil in place of coconut oil (just a different blend, so to speak), hemp hearts (which I love in some of her other recipes), and collagen. It's really a shame I can't stand the taste of coffee, because the more I read the recipe, the more it appeals to me! LOL
Next time, try going ahead and having the food with your coffee, however you make it... The more time you give your body "off" from digestion between your meals, liquid or otherwise, the happier your whole body becomes!0 -
@KnitOrMiss - That Rocket Fuel recipe really appeals to me. I have a dumb question: do you think hemp based protein powder would provide the same benefits as the hemp hearts? I love that I can make my BPC with my immersion blender and not have to pull out the real blender.1
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@KnitOrMiss
Thanks for all your advice and suggestions. I have a suspicion that I need to eliminate dairy, but I have been resisting it because...yum, I love it. Cacao butter is a great idea. I never thought about it. I added some SF cashew milk this morning instead of HWC. It wasn't as tasty, but I didn't have time to get the butter out of the fridge! I am going to experiment with it over the next few weeks. I saw on amazon a jar with ghee, coconut oil and cocoa that sounded yummy, so I may order that. I am not hungry at all today, so I know it is mostly mental. Old habits are so hard to break. I really like the idea of only coffee for breakfast. It would save me a lot of time in my busy household and eliminate another meal I have to prepare and plan for myself. I think I need to find a recipe that I enjoy (probably w/o HWC right now) and make up my mind that I will not eat until lunch time. My normally scheduled lunch time is 11:30 at work, so it is not like I have to wait all day. My day starts early, but still, 11:30 is an early lunch and it shouldn't be too hard for me to not eat until then.
I need to go to Leann's website. I have watched a lot of her videos, and I like her.1 -
@KnitOrMiss - That Rocket Fuel recipe really appeals to me. I have a dumb question: do you think hemp based protein powder would provide the same benefits as the hemp hearts? I love that I can make my BPC with my immersion blender and not have to pull out the real blender.
@Cadori - yes, I do think a good hemp protein powder would hit most of the same highlights. If you read the link on the podcast, usually there are questions answered in the bottom/comment type areas. In one of the recipes, she even talks about what ingredients are flexible and which really aren't - as well as why... Leanne uses hemp powder in some of her recipes, so she probably even has an article on how to pick a good brand.0 -
@missippibelle - LOL - you and me BOTH on the eliminating dairy sadness. I just need to invest in some cacao butter and experiment, because I bet I could tolerate that... I am just so NOT a coconut fan. Sign up for her email list, and you'll at least be like me, thankful to get smacked over the head with the occasional must read links!0
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