Big Pharma just will not give up...
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cstehansen wrote: »dancing_daisy wrote: »The 'Big Pharma' industry exists on the same principle as any other business - supply and demand. If so many people weren't so prepared to take mediation instead of control of their lives then there wouldn't be the abundance of cholesterol/glucose lowering medications.
Besides, if the problem is with 'Big Pharma' why are we all discussing a recommendation from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force ?
I shared on the NSV's thread about friends from church who went keto last week with amazing results in less than a week (one dropped FBG from 240's to 120's while eliminating fast acting insulin and cutting dosage on slow acting insulin).
At the same time, I know several who just want a pill or a shot to make it all better. Sad thing is the insulin is messing them up as bad or worse than the high BG. It just isn't as obvious at first.
We now live in a world of instant gratification and "work" is a four letter word. Just look at how many people have bought the toy "easy button" from the Staples commercial. That sums up most people's attitude of how every "solution" should be.
I'm constantly fighting against that with my kids. Yesterday I actually told one of them "Would you be patient? Everything isn't 'point&click'." They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
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Drugs aren't cure-alls, but not everyone can un*kitten* themselves through effort and willpower alone.
Statins, for all their evils and fall from Heroes to Goats, exert an anti-inflammatory effect. Considering Alzheimer's, CVD, and God knows what other life-wreckers are associated with inflammation, ya might want to check the bathwater for probiotics before you pitch it.0 -
Rainqueen77 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
They were both 50 something?
Billy Mays was also on cocaine, not judging him but it wouldn't help his situation either.
I just do not see a reason for anyone to be on statin drugs when we know most peoples issue is with nutrition. Now if they decide to throw nutrition out the window and refuse to change their diet, I suppose that's another story, but step one should be to try addressing food habits first.2 -
Rainqueen77 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Rainqueen77 wrote: »The brainwashing is real. A 30 something year old nurse told me she was on it because she didn't want to have a heart attack. How many 30 year olds need to be worried about having a heart attack? Blows my mind.
Ask John Ritter and Billy Mays.
They were both 50 something?
Billy Mays was also on cocaine, not judging him but it wouldn't help his situation either.
I just do not see a reason for anyone to be on statin drugs when we know most peoples issue is with nutrition. Now if they decide to throw nutrition out the window and refuse to change their diet, I suppose that's another story, but step one should be to try addressing food habits first.
I do agree with you - try the old medicine first!
But even Dr. Bernstein, a Big Pharma skeptic, does recommend Glucophage if diet isn't sufficient to get BG down to non-diabetic levels, and statins in limited circumstances (CVD risk).
I don't want to be the guy St. Peter tells, "We would have met later if you'd taken statins."1 -
baconslave wrote: »They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
I did get the reference. Either you are as old as me, or you watch(ed) a lot of reruns.
Speaking of "Lazy-pocalypse" you should watch Idiocracy if you have never seen that movie. It was made several years ago but (unfortunately) has been more prophetic than 1984 was.1 -
cstehansen wrote: »baconslave wrote: »They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
I did get the reference. Either you are as old as me, or you watch(ed) a lot of reruns.
Speaking of "Lazy-pocalypse" you should watch Idiocracy if you have never seen that movie. It was made several years ago but (unfortunately) has been more prophetic than 1984 was.
I'll have to watch Idiocracy.
I'm about 9 years younger than you. But my parents were in their mid-30s when they had me so I was exposed to a lot more of the so-called "older" stuff.0 -
cstehansen wrote: »baconslave wrote: »They think they are the Genie, and all they have to do is fold their arms and blink and the world should just fall in their lap. That's not reality. (And they wouldn't even get that reference...sigh.) Clearly I need to beat that into their heads more. It's the Lazy-pocalypse, and it's here.
I did get the reference. Either you are as old as me, or you watch(ed) a lot of reruns.
Speaking of "Lazy-pocalypse" you should watch Idiocracy if you have never seen that movie. It was made several years ago but (unfortunately) has been more prophetic than 1984 was.
Here's the link to a wiki page on the movie Idiocracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy
It is available to rent for $2.99 from Amazon, VUDU, Google Play & probably other places that don't show up on my streaming device. Don't waste your $2.99...wait until you can see it for free. If you see it offered free, definitely watch. I saw this movie about a year ago...it was free on one of the streaming sites. I agree that it is prophetic (or maybe just a true to time dramatization of how dumbed-down our society has become).
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So when every kid who acts like a kid is on some sort of ADD medication and everyone over 40 is on statins and every women over 60 is on some sort of osteoporosis drug: Hot dang, we'll all be superhumans!!3
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mandycat223 wrote: »So when every kid who acts like a kid is on some sort of ADD medication and everyone over 40 is on statins and every women over 60 is on some sort of osteoporosis drug: Hot dang, we'll all be superhumans!!
Well, we're definitely on the path to being supersized humans, if that counts.2 -
Hmm. I'm not sher I like that direkshun for hulth car....
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Haha. And better stay away from recreational rectal insertion of objects without handles.... or you'll wind up here.
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All the way through Idiocracy, I kept starting to laugh until I realized how close we had become to living in that world and then I wanted to cry and/or throw up. It came out in 2006 and by the time I watched it in 2014, too much of it had come true given it was supposed to be looking 500 years in the future.0
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Oh big evil pharma which develops and supports research and new treatments and donates tons of money to patient programs. Yup get rid of them and let's just let everyone die0
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Nutrition policy didn't change that much once it was assigned to the ADA.0
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Fortunately, the keto-adapted flora of the future got what they needed.0
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singingflutelady wrote: »Oh big evil pharma which develops and supports research and new treatments and donates tons of money to patient programs. Yup get rid of them and let's just let everyone die
I am not against big pharma. I am a capitalist through and through. What I do oppose are not for profit organizations giving false information because they are funded by for for profit organizations and the hiding of valid scientific evidence which ordinary people could use to improve their health without the need for some of these drugs which all have some type of side effects.
To some extent, the public at large is responsible for the horrible state of medical care standards because of a lack of motivation to look beyond the quick fix. They/we are also to blame for the "it's not my fault/I'm the victim" mentality which leads to lawsuits over everything with ridiculous high payouts. This prevents many doctors from doing what they know is best for fear of going against the "experts" at organizations like the ADA.
I believe if a not for profit organization like the ADA is going to claim it is giving advice for the general good, it should 1) do so, and 2) clearly and obviously state who paid for the research backing up their advice.
When they shamelessly push drugs and high carb diets to treat diabetes while saying the best thing one can hope is to slow the progression, when plenty of research shows otherwise, that is at minimum a disservice.
When statins show more negative side effects than positive outcomes, but are pushed like they are, that is immoral. When the benefits they do show seem to come not from lowering cholesterol, but rather from reducing inflammation, we should get real and admit that. Then use treatments to reduce inflammation that don't cause all the negative side effects.
Again, I am a capitalist. However, I believe in transparency and truth. I do not believe in equal outcomes, but rather equal opportunities. To have equal opportunities requires equal access to the truth.5 -
And we seem to be overlooking the fact that a simple change in diet can lower the risk of a whole suite of chronic diseases and mortality more than any drug or combination of chemicals they are pushing.
When the ADA starts recommending limiting your carbs then we'll start seeing a downward trend in chronic diseases all across the board. Who's going to get rich from that advice though?6 -
And we seem to be overlooking the fact that a simple change in diet can lower the risk of a whole suite of chronic diseases and mortality more than any drug or combination of chemicals they are pushing.
When the ADA starts recommending limiting your carbs then we'll start seeing a downward trend in chronic diseases all across the board. Who's going to get rich from that advice though?
Ay. A sick population is a profitable population.3 -
And we seem to be overlooking the fact that a simple change in diet can lower the risk of a whole suite of chronic diseases and mortality more than any drug or combination of chemicals they are pushing.
When the ADA starts recommending limiting your carbs then we'll start seeing a downward trend in chronic diseases all across the board. Who's going to get rich from that advice though?
And they still keep overlooking the fact lower cholesterol was actually not associated with longer life. Quite the opposite in fact.
They're still so hung up on the idea that cholesterol absolutely must be low. There's no actual reason for that.1
