If I'm feeling less hungry am I required to eat the same amount of fat and protein each day?
Miss1Bec
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I'm on the lchf diet. If I'm feeling less hungry am I required to eat the same amount of fat and protein each day? or should I just eat when I'm hungry
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No. You should set a (fairly) hard limit on carbs, consider your protein a goal to hit and fill the rest for fat.
With that said, if you aren't hungry, don't force yourself to eat. It will balance out with more hungry days where you can (and should) allow yourself to eat to hunger, within reason.2 -
Welcome to the beginnings of being fat adapted!!
Carbs are a limit!
Protein is a ceiling. Meaning you have a cap to reach up to if you want but remember excessive amounts of protein you body takes in get converted to sugars. I'm almost positive the goal or max per meal is between 20 and 30.
Fat is your filler. The more fat you eat the more energy you are feeding your body. Being fat adapted let's your body either use the energy taken in via your meals OR your fat stores from your body.
Now you can start playing with how much fat you are consuming. If you find that you are getting hungry between meals up your fat a bit (or consume a little bit of fat). Same thing with sudden spells of being cold, your body is telling you that the fuel burning furnace is getting low so feed it some fat!
Congrats on being a fine tuned fat burning machine!!2 -
ProCoffeenator wrote: »Same thing with sudden spells of being cold, your body is telling you that the fuel burning furnace is getting low so feed it some fat!
Aha! Can you explain this?
I have just recently started getting occasional spells of cold fingers and sometimes feet, too. According to the standard line, your body doesn't give a rip if it gets fat off your plate or out of your portable pantry (as long as it's not padlocked with insulin).
So... why would you need to eat fat, if you've got x00,000 calories of it ready to burn?
(I'm not skeptical - I aim to have at the coconut oil next time it happens - just puzzled.)
Thanks!
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From what I understood from the science behind this... when your body is using its own fat stores it will only use so much when it's nearing its limit people tend to experience cold extremities or a temporary slump in energy levels our bodies won't go into panic mode like a carb burner (they experience to joys of the shakes, confusion and in Extreme cases passing out or vomiting).
Think marathon runners. They have to continually ingest that goop to keep running. At the very end? They are on the ground with the shakes, vomiting, and rubbing those muscle groups that are cramped up.
I've seen this at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
I wish I could recall the article in which I found this information. I'll go through my history online later today to see if I can find it.0 -
ProCoffeenator wrote: »From what I understood from the science behind this... when your body is using its own fat stores it will only use so much when it's nearing its limit people tend to experience cold extremities or a temporary slump in energy levels our bodies won't go into panic mode like a carb burner (they experience to joys of the shakes, confusion and in Extreme cases passing out or vomiting).
Think marathon runners. They have to continually ingest that goop to keep running. At the very end? They are on the ground with the shakes, vomiting, and rubbing those muscle groups that are cramped up.
I've seen this at the finish line of the Boston Marathon.
I wish I could recall the article in which I found this information. I'll go through my history online later today to see if I can find it.
That would be great - thanks!
If you're fasting or your activity is otherwise exceeding your intake and you're in ketosis, it seems like your body would continue to draw on what's available, and even lean athletes tote around 100,000+ calories in body fat.
I ain't no lean athlete, so I suspect my pantry's a bit more lavishly appointed, and of course the context of me getting cold at home is quite a bit different than marathon runners.
In the research Phinney and Volek conducted on endurance athletes, it took the athletes until the 3rd or 4th week after they switched to LCHF to adjust (and their performance suffered in the interim), but after that, they performed well, and were fresher at the end, eating only 100 calories/hour while burning 900. Here's one each of Phinney and Volek's talks. (Sorry, they're not exactly brief....)
https://youtu.be/USTf3pFUrvg
https://youtu.be/JgU8z-h3IKY 1 -
In my quick peek on my phone history I came across this one report... this isn't the one I was referring but still something...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15615615/1 -
ProCoffeenator wrote: »In my quick peek on my phone history I came across this one report... this isn't the one I was referring but still something...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15615615/
Great, thanks! Looks like some interesting reading this morning (now that summer is over.....)0 -
Richard Morris from 2KetoDudes saved the day!!
http://blog.2keto.com/alpert-2005/
Here you go @RalfLott1 -
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I am always cold after dinner - 8 or 9 pm. Could be other reasons for me though, as there are thyroid issues and Fibromyalgia to consider. I think I could be happy in Arizona in August....0
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I'm on the lchf diet. If I'm feeling less hungry am I required to eat the same amount of fat and protein each day? or should I just eat when I'm hungry
Try to keep your protein goal the same. Fat is what should be adjusted to satiety and caloric goals. Keep in mind, while the ketogenic state and way of eating is protein (and thus muscle) sparing once adapted to, if you start cheaping out your protein intake, you're going to lose that benefit, as gluconeogenesis is demand driven. Guess where your body takes that protein from if you don't have enough aminos in your bloodstream.
ETA: what I found works really well is to keep either some cans of tuna or chicken breast around. They are leans sources of protein that won't be quite as filling in thhe long term, while still letting you hit your protein goal with a relatively small amount of food. They have the added benefit for LCers as all canned foods: they have a good amount of sodium in them. Failing that, just keep a good quality protein powder around to use in a pinch.0
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