What was I thinking?!

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  • dancing_daisy
    dancing_daisy Posts: 162 Member
    Gamliela wrote: »
    I think my mistake was that fat seemed the easiest way to keep calories low, so they went out.........

    I sometimes think this is where the whole 'low fat diet' fad actually came from. I've read all sorts of theories on the sugar industry/politics/economy manipulation but I think I could really all come down to simple maths. Carbs (on average) have fewer calories per gram than fat. Cut out fewer grams of fat to save on more calories.



  • RalfLott
    RalfLott Posts: 5,036 Member
    Gamliela wrote: »
    I think my mistake was that fat seemed the easiest way to keep calories low, so they went out.........

    I sometimes think this is where the whole 'low fat diet' fad actually came from. I've read all sorts of theories on the sugar industry/politics/economy manipulation but I think I could really all come down to simple maths. Carbs (on average) have fewer calories per gram than fat. Cut out fewer grams of fat to save on more calories.

    But they have the same number of calories per... calorie. :/

    I remember this exact reasoning in connection with one of Ornish's early books. It made sense to me, as I embarked on a protracted and valiant (but misguided :s ), effort to improve my health and reduce my chronic disease risk.

    I don't think Ornish was a pawn of agribusiness and certainly not the pharmaceutical industry, so it's hard to say exactly why he issued advice that proved to be wrong for so many of us over the long haul.

    Phinney suggests than the wholesome LFHC diets of Ornish, McDougall, etc., work well for a significant minority of people, but that the mistakes in their approaches are in generalizing them to the entire population and mixing ideology into their recipes.
  • LowCarbInScotland
    LowCarbInScotland Posts: 1,027 Member
    Gamliela wrote: »
    I think my mistake was that fat seemed the easiest way to keep calories low, so they went out.........

    I sometimes think this is where the whole 'low fat diet' fad actually came from. I've read all sorts of theories on the sugar industry/politics/economy manipulation but I think I could really all come down to simple maths. Carbs (on average) have fewer calories per gram than fat. Cut out fewer grams of fat to save on more calories.

    That's exactly why I ate low fat for years! I could eat a whole lot of gummy bears if I didn't put butter on my toast. The sad thing is, at 17, you can watch the weight drop off eating shite food just by keeping the calories down, but you're not yet wise to how completely unsustainable that lifestyle is. If only I could go back and enlighten younger me! Oh well, at least I can enjoy butter on my steak now :smiley:
  • Sunny_Bunny_
    Sunny_Bunny_ Posts: 7,140 Member
    Gamliela wrote: »
    I think my mistake was that fat seemed the easiest way to keep calories low, so they went out.........

    I sometimes think this is where the whole 'low fat diet' fad actually came from. I've read all sorts of theories on the sugar industry/politics/economy manipulation but I think I could really all come down to simple maths. Carbs (on average) have fewer calories per gram than fat. Cut out fewer grams of fat to save on more calories.

    That's exactly why I ate low fat for years! I could eat a whole lot of gummy bears if I didn't put butter on my toast. The sad thing is, at 17, you can watch the weight drop off eating shite food just by keeping the calories down, but you're not yet wise to how completely unsustainable that lifestyle is. If only I could go back and enlighten younger me! Oh well, at least I can enjoy butter on my steak now :smiley:

    Right?!??
    I wish I could turn back time and do things differently.
    Trying to influence my 22, 18 and 14 year olds is.... not exactly easy. Lol
    So even when the knowledge is made available, it's still not seriously considered.
    The 22 and 18, do believe what I say is true about to be healthy long term. But being young comes with a certain level of perceived immortality. Lol
    My 14 year old and husband, think my ideas are half baked and my husband always says "did you learn that on butter.com"? He thinks I just read "stuff on the internets" and believe everything I read. Though, it's funny he will regularly eat bunless burgers.. ;)
    I like to think my younger self would've made the changes.
  • cstehansen
    cstehansen Posts: 1,984 Member
    RalfLott wrote: »
    Gamliela wrote: »
    I think my mistake was that fat seemed the easiest way to keep calories low, so they went out.........

    I sometimes think this is where the whole 'low fat diet' fad actually came from. I've read all sorts of theories on the sugar industry/politics/economy manipulation but I think I could really all come down to simple maths. Carbs (on average) have fewer calories per gram than fat. Cut out fewer grams of fat to save on more calories.

    But they have the same number of calories per... calorie. :/

    I remember this exact reasoning in connection with one of Ornish's early books. It made sense to me, as I embarked on a protracted and valiant (but misguided :s ), effort to improve my health and reduce my chronic disease risk.

    I don't think Ornish was a pawn of agribusiness and certainly not the pharmaceutical industry, so it's hard to say exactly why he issued advice that proved to be wrong for so many of us over the long haul.

    Phinney suggests than the wholesome LFHC diets of Ornish, McDougall, etc., work well for a significant minority of people, but that the mistakes in their approaches are in generalizing them to the entire population and mixing ideology into their recipes.

    I think it is very easy to see why Ornish pushes what he pushes. He is a hard core believer that a cow is as valuable as a human and eating meat is essentially the same as being a cannibal from a moral standpoint.

    One of my brothers is now a vegan. Funny part about that is he is the one who taught me how to make a bacon explosion on my smoker. He switched for health reasons. It seems to be working for him so far, but as Chris Kresser has pointed out, many of the nutrient deficiencies (especially B vitamins) don't really start having negative impacts for several years. At that time, people are much less likely to attribute the issues with diet because they have been "eating like this for years without any problems."

    At least we have a good relationship with no preaching. Family dinners are a challenge and typically end up at my parents' house since it is difficult to find restaurants where we can all eat.
  • cimarrona27
    cimarrona27 Posts: 97 Member
    edited January 2017
    My husband and I just watched Fed Up, and it brought me to tears seeing these young people struggling with CICO. The self loathing and misery was really hard to watch. Society says work harder, exercise, put the fat down... and these kids and their families are TRYING to do the right thing.

    A 15 year old kid should not have to have gastric bypass. A 12 year old should not worry about every calorie, and her mom buys what she thinks are healthy foods because they are "low fat". Cereals, pasta, snack bars.

    It makes me infuriated and incredibly sad.
  • bjwoodzy
    bjwoodzy Posts: 593 Member
    Health is like family. You'll miss it when it's gone.

    I wish I would have done right ages ago, too. I grew up in a house where my parents experimented with meals and also kept up family traditions, and some of it was healthy and some of it was not, though, thank goodness to them, I appreciated vegetables, meats, and cheeses from an early age. From 19-25, I was busy living life and partying on the side of my full time work. From 26 on, I was focused with laser-like precision, on career. Good food was something that I didn't place that much value on :(
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