Off the Wall Stuff found when reading about better Health.
GaleHawkins
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bobbeck.com/pdfs/beck-protocol-handbook.pdf
Over the last few years I have put many hours into reading articles and research on many WOE's. Colloidal Silver is one term I have seen over and over but did not have a clue about it so I made it my 2017 lead off interest of research.
For some reason I am a sucker for old ways of addressing health issues. Bob Beck has been dead for years and I never really read about him before yesterday. It seems he was more of a creator of electrical measuring devices and did work for the Navy back in the 50-60's. I found his Brain Tuner developed in 80's (still on the market today) being very interesting. There are some old but in color videos of him speaking in his advanced years.
I guess my geek streak makes these old timers of interest to me. My interest in learning more about colloidal silver on Google is how I learned about the above. As to colloidal silver some make it sound like magic and I am at the point of starting to see what is factual/fake info on the subject. Like LCHF I see there are more false fears than there are facts on the web.
Over the last few years I have put many hours into reading articles and research on many WOE's. Colloidal Silver is one term I have seen over and over but did not have a clue about it so I made it my 2017 lead off interest of research.
For some reason I am a sucker for old ways of addressing health issues. Bob Beck has been dead for years and I never really read about him before yesterday. It seems he was more of a creator of electrical measuring devices and did work for the Navy back in the 50-60's. I found his Brain Tuner developed in 80's (still on the market today) being very interesting. There are some old but in color videos of him speaking in his advanced years.
I guess my geek streak makes these old timers of interest to me. My interest in learning more about colloidal silver on Google is how I learned about the above. As to colloidal silver some make it sound like magic and I am at the point of starting to see what is factual/fake info on the subject. Like LCHF I see there are more false fears than there are facts on the web.
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Just be sure what you are getting is a real silver colloid - most products labeled "colloidal silver" are actually ionic silver and not the same thing on a molecular level.
I use metal colloids and get them from https://www.purestcolloids.com/ but I'm sure there are other companies that are good as well.2 -
Also, if you like old school remedies "Back to Eden" is a book from 1939 with a ton of old herbal remedies...though the recommended diet is mostly vegetarian, not LCHF....it's been updated a few times since the original, but still a solid reference book.5
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My aunts and father use silver colloid in liquid form for its antibiotic properties, equivalent to say, Neosporin for them.1
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While I am early into my research it seems most silver colloidal silver generators make a mixture of around 75% ion with the rest being colloidal in nature.
hydrosolinfo.com/articles/silver-2004-12-22.php
"This experiment serves as proof that it is the active, available silver ions – not the particulate silver – in which the antibacterial property of silver resides."
Due to the last line in the above link I am leaning towards the ion silver vs. colloidal silver. I do not find any of the marketing materials of any value in deciding what brand so I am trying to find the generator that produces mainly ion silver vs. colloidal silver at this point in my research.
I am not going to spend $200 a gallon to test something I am not sure is of any health value. I am interested in seeing how the pets like it based on some anecdotal reports I read yesterday.0 -
My aunts and father use silver colloid in liquid form for its antibiotic properties, equivalent to say, Neosporin for them.My aunts and father use silver colloid in liquid form for its antibiotic properties, equivalent to say, Neosporin for them.
I used some silver cream for a burn on my hand a few weeks ago and it was awesome for the pain and the health rate was fast. That was picked my current interest. My readings have been really confusing.
Welcome to MFP forums.
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tcunbeliever wrote: »Also, if you like old school remedies "Back to Eden" is a book from 1939 with a ton of old herbal remedies...though the recommended diet is mostly vegetarian, not LCHF....it's been updated a few times since the original, but still a solid reference book.
Thanks for the name. from what I read about it does sound interesting. If this silver thing is as great I may be able to same $$$ that I now spend on supplements and herbs. 0 -
Silver can turn your skin blue/grey, I take it when really needed, but I would not recommend it for daily use in any form.0
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@tcunbeliever turning blue seems to be a myth today because changes made in 1975 when some people were using silver salts and not pure silver solutions.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I used some silver cream for a burn on my hand a few weeks ago
My dad brushes his teeth with it. Which, I consider hard core. I've used it on myself and my kids for random scrapes etc but I'm not ready to commit to teeth brushing yet.
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I ran across someone who said to take it daily (with aloe) to heal villi in the intestines.1
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http://colloidalsilver.com.au/TDS-Meter.html
My two TDS3 meters came today and the first photo in the above link is a picture of them. I think the two together were under $20 and shipped fast from Georgia (USA). eBay has the same meter directly from China for about half the price but comes by a slow boat from China.
When buying cheap meters like these and to measure breath acetone levels to estimate level of ketones ($15 eBay) I order 2-3 at the same time to bench mark them against each other. These two TDS3 meters had matching readouts thankfully. Yes I am a geek when it comes to measuring but a cheap one.
My silver solution marked 22 ppm (ASAP 22 Plus) measured 6 ppm, the labelled 30 ppm ASAP brand measure 7 ppm. The brand marked 120 ppm tested at 80 ppm. Different websites over different conversion factors but the below from the above website makes sense to me so I am going with that info. Note the TDS3 is only measuring/estimating the ionic silver content and not the colloidal silver level. The red laser beam can help estimate how much if any colloidal silver is in the solution.
"Note 2. All TDS meters think they are measuring salt not colloidal silver! So you have to double what it says on the meter.
All TDS meters are factory calibrated to provide an estimated PPM for the most common dissolved ion; sodium chloride (salt), not colloidal silver. But salt is about twice as conductive as silver ions, so when using a TDS meter to estimate the ionic PPM of COLLOIDAL SILVER the recommended practice is to multiply the reading on the meter by 2 to 2.5 times because it has actually taken at least twice as many silver ions to reach the level of conductivity indicated on the meter. So, for example, if the TDS meter says 6 then your actual ionic silver PPM is probably between 12 to 15 ppm. ALL TDS METERS work as described here! So if anyone tells you you can simply read a colloidal silver strength directly off the dial of a TDS meter they dont know what they are talking about."
Both ASAP silver solutions will display the Tyndal Effect well. The $100 a gallon 120 ppm has NO Tyndal Effect that I can detect. It is now my guess it is the by-product of making a concentrated version of mainly colloidal silver solution. The ratio varies greatly but typically ball parks to 75% ionic silver and 25% colloidal silver content from many machines I read.
Ionic levels decline with age. So I guess my 22 and 30 ppm name brand patented process from American Biotech Labs may have been made for a while. My silver solution generator is to be here later this week so I will have fresh solutions going forward I hope. I have my distilled water ready to go. On the TDS 3 meter it tested 0-1 ppm. Our well water tested ppm which will not work to produce a silver solution that is safe to drink because you do not want to make and drink solutions containing Silver Salts for sure. I am testing using a table spoon of the 30 ppm in a $20 neutralizer from eBay for the lungs and sinuses once a day as well and you can read how it is used for cystic fibrosis, COPD, ect. My lung capacity is limited due to the arthritis fusing of my rib cage.
I think I am started to get a handle on the facts/myths about silver solutions enough to at least to safely get started in a practical sense where the real learning comes. I do fine sources of info outside to the USA typically to be more correct. This source is AU which typically comes from common sense folks I find.
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case reported in 2015:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26368981
case reported in 2013:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3754374/
There are lots of links on both these pages to other patients with agryria from long term daily use of silver products - recent patients, not prior to 1975. It's not a myth. Ionic silver, since it's missing an electron, will readily combine with salts already present in your body, you don't need to ingest a silver salt solution to end up with a silver salt solution internally.2 -
tcunbeliever wrote: »case reported in 2015:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26368981
case reported in 2013:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3754374/
There are lots of links on both these pages to other patients with agryria from long term daily use of silver products - recent patients, not prior to 1975. It's not a myth. Ionic silver, since it's missing an electron, will readily combine with salts already present in your body, you don't need to ingest a silver salt solution to end up with a silver salt solution internally.
@tcunbeliever we can all agree perhaps taking silver salts like you are talking has a remote possibility of graying of the skin in some people but I am talking mainly about ionic and colloidal silver.
Many of us have been walking around with silver filled teeth for most of our lives.
The above reports you posted indicate silver is not toxic to the body as to harm our physical health. Silver is like carbs, protein and fats if you blindly consume them without knowing their risks. Do stay away from non pure silver as in silver salts or pure silver of large particle size if you have the non health risk of darkening of some skin perhaps.
We need to move beyond the myths and look at concrete medical facts when it comes to our health. While I am researching ionic and colloidal silver usage and self testing its usage for a book I hope to write in the next 10 years I have no advice to another person where to use or not use ionic/colloidal silver in any form by any means.
If you find any research that indicates ionic/colloidal silver carries a health risk please post it. I will watch the bed of my finger nails and if they start to darken I may or may not stop my self testing because at 66 I am not big into cosmetic concerns but more into longivity. 2 -
My aunts and father use silver colloid in liquid form for its antibiotic properties, equivalent to say, Neosporin for them.
@mmultanen have they been doing this long term? I am new to ionic/colloidal silver usage. Like some others on here I am always looking for new to me ideas for myself but especially for others in the family with serious health issues.1 -
My aunts, I believe yes. They are all very alternative medicine oriented and use reflexology, muscle testing, and supplements exclusively. My dad is less alternative medicine oriented than his sisters, but still turns there first most of the time. when I was away at college is when he started brushing his teeth with colloidal silver because of some gum issues he was having. I don't believe he does it every day now, but does once in a while; I'll ask!
However, they've all used liquid silver colloid for basic scrapes, cuts, bruises for as long as I can remember, when I was a child they used it on me. Arnica as well. My Husband's family uses Arnica for just about everything muscle related: bruises, aches and pains, etc.
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I know my dad always swore by Silvadene or something for sunburns (I always thought it was SilverCaine - but I think my brain got Silver something and Solarcaine mixed up or something), said the silver was all that helped him heal. He was a life-long baseball tournament player, and always had a heavy tan, etc. I know I got a bad burn (2nd degree, likely, not medically confirmed) when I played an all day outdoor volleyball tournament in HS without reapplying sunscreen (didn't know I needed to), and this was the only thing that helped until the cold/chills from being so hot eased up enough to make existence tolerable again.0
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tcunbeliever wrote: »Also, if you like old school remedies "Back to Eden" is a book from 1939 with a ton of old herbal remedies...though the recommended diet is mostly vegetarian, not LCHF....it's been updated a few times since the original, but still a solid reference book.
Wow another fan of "Back to Eden" I've used it for over 35 yrs. Don't do the diet but it is my bible for the herbal remedies. I don't know anyone with a copy of it these days.
I've never used silver colloid, but a workmate of mine used it for colds for herself and her children and always got well very quickly. Her grandfather had taught her to make her own.0 -
healthy-again.net/silver.htm
@tcunbeliever while dated I found this article entitled Silver - The Dark Side of a Health Craze to be interesting.
You can see from tree on the left side of his site that generally he is PRO non-traditional treatments. Some make be taken back on what he states causes diabetes however.0 -
Thank you for that!
My husbands family has a long history of CVD even in light of no recognized risk factors. Males in his family end up with things like a quadruple bypass even when they eat healthy and are marathon runners. If it could be something like a hereditary reduction in the ability to process/absorb Vit C, that certainly makes more sense than anything traditional western medicine has been able to provide.1 -
My Sota Bio Tuner came in Thursday so I am working hard to convince myself that was $250 well spent. Below are links about Cranial Electrical Stimulation (CES). There are about 100 clinical trials involving about 4000 subjects over about a 40 year period. CES is about 115 years old but the Russians brought it main stream in the 1950's.
cesultra.com/docs/Ray_Smith_presentation_on_CES.pdf
This is a very good past and present usage of CES with details. I learned more from this than my readings for the past week.
Below is slide 22/30 notes the value of Rhodiola Rosea and Ashwagandha taken 30 minutes before CES treatment.
"Hints for Clinicians: Potentiating Neurotransmitter Precursors Clinical experience over many years has indicated that CES almost certainly synergizes the u p p take and utilization of medications or neurotransmitter precursors when applied approximately 30 minutes after the medication or precursor has been ingested. To increase the amount of a given neurotransmitter, therefore, CES should be used along with the precursor. Some of these are: • Tryptophan is a precursor of Serotonin, ACTH, Endorphin • D -phenylalanine is a precursor of Dopamine phenylalanine is a precursor of Dopamine • L-tyrosine is a precursor of Dopamine, Norepinephrine, Epinephrine • The herb Rhodiola Rosea Increases levels of all the above, • As does the Indian herb Aswaganda"
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https://mybrainchemistry.com/uploads/THE_SCIENCE_BEHIND_CRANIAL_ELECTROTHERAPY_STIMULATION.PDF
This is a 234 page book on CES studies over the past 40 years.
Read page 1 then skip to page 234 for some exciting points plus they are in color where the rests are black in white.
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Jumping to herbs to recover from Alzheimer's, regrowing hair, etc. Mice studies mainly but human and animal lab results for hair regrowth.
B401 (especially Asia) is called PriaPlex in the USA.
https://dovepress.com/treatment-with-a-herbal-formula-b401-enhances-neuroprotection-and-angi-peer-reviewed-article-DDDT0 -
Bump! 'Rabbit hole'-worthy thread for those days when there isn't much to do around home...
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I have completed the required equipment to do the Bob Beck protocol. Not sure what to think about the Ozone part of the protocol. I just got the Magnetic Pulser and I think that addition is going to be a long term keeper along with the Bio Tuner. Both are simple and easy to use. Using the Silver Pulser to remove bacteria, viruses, etc from the blood seems to work due to a strong Heximer response in my case but the wrist irritation took some effort to figure out a work around. I wound up using 2"x2" self sticking electrode pads with one in the palm and the other one on the back of the hand.
The equipment is not cheap but it is mainly just an upfront expense.
I am picking up other PEMF equipment now that I know the upside of Pulsed Electro Magnetic Therapy.
ondamed.net/us/biological-effects-of-pulsed-electromagnetic-field-pemf-therapy
The Sota Bio Tuner is just one brand of a CES (Cranial Electro Stimulation) device.
Below is kind of a thick bible on CES.
https://mybrainchemistry.com/uploads/THE_SCIENCE_BEHIND_CRANIAL_ELECTROTHERAPY_STIMULATION.PDF0
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