Added sugar vs natural sugar
judyvalentine512
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Here in Canada, our labelling shows sugars, but not necessarily just added sugar.
I know there are sugars in fruit and veggies naturally.
My big question is, does MFP calculate your daily grams using both sugars or just one or the other?
I know there are sugars in fruit and veggies naturally.
My big question is, does MFP calculate your daily grams using both sugars or just one or the other?
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it counts all sugars as 'sugar' ...1
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So, even though my added sugar allowance is 18 grams, if I have fruit and veggies, it will still show more.
According to MFP, I can have 54 grams per day. I'll figure this out. Thanks Jim.0 -
well when you have the fruit in veggies entered in it will show how many gram of sugar in them so you can just subtract them from your total and see where your are.
while i look at my sugar grams i really do not worry about them... other then baked goods and ice cream i, basically, do not add sugar to things... my coffee is black as is my tea, cereals (cheerioes and oatmeal) are eaten without adding sugar... tomatoe sauce does not get added sugar (extra basil and a little baking soda cuts the acid).
i concern myself with the toatl carb numbers rather than the sugar.2 -
I think MFP goes with "sugar is sugar" whether it comes from fruit or table sugar or HFCS.
I agree with this approach. Fibre will help slow absorption of sugar (and carbs which break down to the same simple sugars as table sugar) but it will still affect blood glucose.
I always keep in mind that there are 4 g of sugar in a teaspoon of granulated table sugar. It helps me keep my consumption of sugar easier to picture. If MFP recommends 54g of sugar, that is about 13.5 teaspoons of sugar. The added sugar allowance of 18 g is about 4.5 teaspoons of sugar.
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Sugar is sugar is sugar..... and it's all Drano to this T2D,!
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I'm just curious about how much added sugar I do in fact get in my food. It's not so bad after all. Between 19 and 20 grams is what I've been averaging, so I no longer have to worry.
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Just out of curiosity, why would any diabetic want to maintain any level of added sugar?0
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Just out of curiosity, why would any diabetic want to maintain any level of added sugar?
Well, I guess the added sugar is carbs too. And even diabetics need carbs. I think in the States they're called hidden sugars. WHO recommends no more than 5% of your total daily calories be spent on added sugars. Anybody, not just diabetics.
And of course, the best sugars are the un-avoidable ones you find in fruits and veggies.0 -
Well, if you're willing to suspend disbelief for a few minutes, here's a recent interview with researcher/clinician Dr. Sarah Hallberg, who explains why non-fiber carbs are no friend of diabetics!
Dr. Hallberg refers to this recent study:
A Novel Intervention Including Individualized Nutritional Recommendations Reduces Hemoglobin A1c Level, Medication Use, and Weight in Type 2 Diabetes
http://diabetes.jmir.org/2017/1/e5/
https://youtu.be/-N2o2Ux7Lw0
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judyvalentine512 wrote: »Just out of curiosity, why would any diabetic want to maintain any level of added sugar?
Well, I guess the added sugar is carbs too. And even diabetics need carbs. I think in the States they're called hidden sugars. WHO recommends no more than 5% of your total daily calories be spent on added sugars. Anybody, not just diabetics.
And of course, the best sugars are the un-avoidable ones you find in fruits and veggies.
People don't actually need carbs. I'm guessing we need them even less than most people.
As Dr Bernstein (the T1D doctor who is a diabetes specialist) has pointed out, you can have a protein deficiency, an essential fatty acids deficiency, but there is no such thing as a carbohydrate deficiency. There is no minimum needs for carbs and glucose.
I do enjoys some carbs, usually nuts and some veggies, but it is reassurring to know that I could skip them and still maintain my health.
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Even if you were to eat NO carbs (almost impossible to do), your liver would still convert protein for your reduced glucose needs (mostly your brain), tech term: gluconeogenesis. Eating not that many nuts and veggies gets me up to around 30-40 net carb grams pretty quickly.. Unfortunately, that's my limit if I want to keep my BG under control.... But it works!
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PS. Sugar is sugar.
If you're a T2D and eat 5 bananas and 2 pears, your body doesn't know the difference between that "natural" sugar and added sugar - it just reacts to the overall sugar jolt in predictable, unpleasant ways - BG and insulin spikes.. 1 -
Well, if you're willing to suspend disbelief for a few minutes, here's a recent interview with researcher/clinician Dr. Sarah Hallberg, who explains why non-fiber carbs are no friend of diabetics!
Dr. Hallberg refers to this recent study:
A Novel Intervention Including Individualized Nutritional Recommendations Reduces Hemoglobin A1c Level, Medication Use, and Weight in Type 2 Diabetes
http://diabetes.jmir.org/2017/1/e5/https://youtu.be/-N2o2Ux7Lw0
PS. This is the study referred to in @nvmomketo 's Peter Attia/Reversing Diabetes thread.0 -
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Good daily limits for sugar. Male 36g. Female 24g.
Even for those of us with insulin resistance and elevated BG?
I know that the average adult has about one teaspoon of sugar in the blood at any given time. A teaspoon of sugar is 4g.
The daily limits for sugar you listed are 9 and 6 teaspoons of sugar, or 144 and 72 calories. I would definitely think of that as an upper limit (a high one), if you are active and do not need medication to control BG. Only that high for people whose bodies can handle it.1 -
PS. Sugar is sugar.
If you're a T2D and eat 5 bananas and 2 pears, your body doesn't know the difference between that "natural" sugar and added sugar - it just reacts to the overall sugar jolt in predictable, unpleasant ways - BG and insulin spikes..PS. Sugar is sugar.
If you're a T2D and eat 5 bananas and 2 pears, your body doesn't know the difference between that "natural" sugar and added sugar - it just reacts to the overall sugar jolt in predictable, unpleasant ways - BG and insulin spikes..
5 bananas and 2 pears is an awful lot, even for a non diabetic! But speaking from my own personal experience, my body handles fruit quite differently from candy, rice, or bread. I can eat a giant orange or slice of watermelon (21g) and have only a very modest spike, 110 or so, while a tiny sliver of birthday cake with the same amount of carbs on paper will put me in the 130 range.
My A1c is 4.9 at last check, off all meds except metformin, and I'm averaging about 60g sugar - the thing is, I eat my sugar and other carbs before working out, and my glucose never gets above 130 if I can help it. If it's over that, I instantly go and workout, until it comes down, so it typically never stays that high more than 15 min. I monitor postprandials constantly, after every meal unless it's something I've eaten before and I have a good idea of what my glucose is up to for the day. Sometimes I get surprises... I had one big spike recently while eating leftovers of the exact same thing that didn't spike me before... turned out the be the beginning of a sinus infection, making my cortisol high. So constant testing is really key for me, as far as knowing what I can and can't eat.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
If you're a T2D and eat 5 bananas and 2 pears, your body doesn't know the
5 bananas and 2 pears is an awful lot, even for a non diabetic! But speaking from my own personal experience, my body handles fruit quite differently from candy, rice, or bread. I can eat a giant orange or slice of watermelon (21g) and have only a very modest spike, 110 or so, while a tiny sliver of birthday cake with the same amount of carbs on paper will put me in the 130 range.
So constant testing is really key for me, as far as knowing what I can and can't eat.
Well, now you've got me thinking. That wasn't my experience, but the last time I tested a bit of fruit, my BG was running quite a bit higher than it is now.
So maybe I'll give it a shot with a slice of watermelon or a small orange or tomato and see what happens....
Thx!1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »
If you're a T2D and eat 5 bananas and 2 pears, your body doesn't know the
5 bananas and 2 pears is an awful lot, even for a non diabetic! But speaking from my own personal experience, my body handles fruit quite differently from candy, rice, or bread. I can eat a giant orange or slice of watermelon (21g) and have only a very modest spike, 110 or so, while a tiny sliver of birthday cake with the same amount of carbs on paper will put me in the 130 range.
So constant testing is really key for me, as far as knowing what I can and can't eat.
Well, now you've got me thinking. That wasn't my experience, but the last time I tested a bit of fruit, my BG was running quite a bit higher than it is now.
So maybe I'll give it a shot with a slice of watermelon or a small orange or tomato and see what happens....
Thx!
Careful, supposedly if you've been low carbing, introducing carbs can be unpredictable - that's why they make you eat 150g or more leading up to an oral tolerance test.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
If you're a T2D and eat 5 bananas and 2 pears, your body doesn't know the
5 bananas and 2 pears is an awful lot, even for a non diabetic! But speaking from my own personal experience, my body handles fruit quite differently from candy, rice, or bread. I can eat a giant orange or slice of watermelon (21g) and have only a very modest spike, 110 or so, while a tiny sliver of birthday cake with the same amount of carbs on paper will put me in the 130 range.
So constant testing is really key for me, as far as knowing what I can and can't eat.
Well, now you've got me thinking. That wasn't my experience, but the last time I tested a bit of fruit, my BG was running quite a bit higher than it is now.
So maybe I'll give it a shot with a slice of watermelon or a small orange or tomato and see what happens....
Thx!
Careful, supposedly if you've been low carbing, introducing carbs can be unpredictable - that's why they make you eat 150g or more leading up to an oral tolerance test.
Right-o, thanks for the heads - up.
I'm not considering much of dose - perhaps a tomato or 1/2 cup of berries at breakfast for a week to see what happens.
I had a hydrogen breath test last year, which required 50g of glucose, fasting
I took along my glucometer to learn what I could - I peaked at 300 in around 1 hour, so I'm not really tempted to do a real OGTT. 0
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