Salads = low carb killer. Could it be?
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Trust me - a sailor's life on the sea then was so punishing in those days, I'll wager a tot of rum to a piece o' eight, that it's likely scurvy was the least of their problems....
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Ate a mixing bowl, like 5 cups, full of spinach and arugula with a bunch of olives and avocado. Net carbs on it was 4, half of them from the avocado. Just choose your greens more carefully and you'll be fine.3
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Only that we have known for a very long time, even sailors knew, That fresh meat prevents and even cures scurvy. So, it isn't an issue. Sailors didn't get it from all meat. They were eating hardtack and other preserved foods.2
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I looked online and found the diet regulated by the Royal Navy in the 18th century.
https://uncoveringhiddenlives.com/2014/08/12/could-you-survive-on-a-18th-century-seamans-diet/
That would be a lot of cured beef and pork. I am guessing sodium was not an issue.2 -
Dr. Ede, Psychiatrist versus Dr. Eades (for those who are interested in additional research).
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I looked online and found the diet regulated by the Royal Navy in the 18th century.
https://uncoveringhiddenlives.com/2014/08/12/could-you-survive-on-a-18th-century-seamans-diet/
That would be a lot of cured beef and pork. I am guessing sodium was not an issue.
Yep. See, it was the lack of fresh meat that was the problem.
Eating fresh meat prevents scurvy.0 -
I listened to a video one day by Phinney. He mentioned the reason the sailors got scurvy was because their diet prior to being on board for long periods of time, included berries and grains and the Inuits had never eaten those products. Though carnivore eating doesn't interest me at this time, I'd be more inclined to believe the lack of fresh meat theory otherwise all y'all that have switched to carnivore would be getting scurvy.
I'm not going to look it up but if anyone is interested you could probably find it by typing "Phinney Maintenance" into a youtube search. It was only a 30 minute video and the comment came towards the end.1 -
cstehansen wrote: »If you don't eat leafy greens where are you getting your nutrients and fiber to flush out the fat and protein? The low carb diet is a high fat diet not a high meat diet. You are good with eating dark greens they will not spike insulin levels
I know this goes against everything you have ever been taught (as does most of the info here), but you don't need fiber to flush things through. If you have adequate fat and magnesium in your diet, things will move along just fine.
In terms of magnesium, just think about milk of magnesia which utilizes the laxative effect of magnesium.
Also, try downing a large amount of coconut or mct oil and NOT having a bathroom emergency.
How about Potassium? I am struggling with all the comments suggesting that vegetable carbohydrates should be cut out. Where do you get the nutrients - that meat and fat do not provide?
Since the potassium one wasn't answered directly...
There are a few things with potassium:
1. It's not required to be listed on nutrition information, so you're getting a lot more than you think, regardless of the foods you're eating.
2. The RDA for potassium has actually not been established. The numbers you find are essentially pulled out of their *kitten*. We don't actually know what the lower (or upper) limit for potassium is, if there is one.
3. Meat is not devoid of potassium. In fact, a single serving of any given meat has around 450mg of potassium.Sunny_Bunny_ wrote: »
Meat actually does provide all the nutrients you need.
Sunny_Bunny - I am not trying to be difficult, but didn't the sailors of yore get scurvy from no vitamin C when on an all-meat diet?
As has already been mentioned, the scurvy issue stems from dried meat, not meat in general.
Arctic and Antarctic exploration teams, particularly in the early 1900s ran into this kind of problem, too. Those that learned how to live off of the local environment generally fared better than those who relied on supply depots and rations carried with them (which, at the time, was often way too lean and didn't consist of fresh anything, let alone meat).
If Arctic explorers are living off primarily of protein and fat, and the Inuit are also living off primarily of protein and fat, why is it that the former die, while the latter thrive? The difference is in the freshness. The fresh meat provides the nutrients the people need.
Here's a good starting point on the subject.1 -
Dragonwolf wrote: »If Arctic explorers are living off primarily of protein and fat, and the Inuit are also living off primarily of protein and fat, why is it that the former die, while the latter thrive? The difference is in the freshness. The fresh meat provides the nutrients the people need.
Here's a good starting point on the subject.
Not only that. They also died of lead poisoning.
The containers were not 'tin cans' but cans made with lead. It leeched into their food, and basically, killed them. (That, and eating each other. The meat on their dead comrades was also contaminated.)
http://www.historytoday.com/sheila-rowbotham/canned-food-sealed-icemens-fate
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From what I've read, around 30mg of vitamin C (daily) is needed to prevent scurvy - more for breastfeeding women, pregnant women, and smokers - and it varies by age. That being said, I just checked my supplement package and it has ample (80). So I'm not too worried about scurvy.0
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »If Arctic explorers are living off primarily of protein and fat, and the Inuit are also living off primarily of protein and fat, why is it that the former die, while the latter thrive? The difference is in the freshness. The fresh meat provides the nutrients the people need.
Here's a good starting point on the subject.
Not only that. They also died of lead poisoning.
The containers were not 'tin cans' but cans made with lead. It leeched into their food, and basically, killed them. (That, and eating each other. The meat on their dead comrades was also contaminated.)
http://www.historytoday.com/sheila-rowbotham/canned-food-sealed-icemens-fate
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I know, right? Gives 'meativore' a whole new slant - !1
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"My cousin's ribs tasted so, so.... metallic!"1
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cstehansen wrote: »cstehansen wrote: »If you don't eat leafy greens where are you getting your nutrients and fiber to flush out the fat and protein? The low carb diet is a high fat diet not a high meat diet. You are good with eating dark greens they will not spike insulin levels
I know this goes against everything you have ever been taught (as does most of the info here), but you don't need fiber to flush things through. If you have adequate fat and magnesium in your diet, things will move along just fine.
In terms of magnesium, just think about milk of magnesia which utilizes the laxative effect of magnesium.
Also, try downing a large amount of coconut or mct oil and NOT having a bathroom emergency.
How about Potassium? I am struggling with all the comments suggesting that vegetable carbohydrates should be cut out. Where do you get the nutrients - that meat and fat do not provide?
According to an Internet search, my 8 oz steak covered in blue cheese had close to 1000 mg of potassium.
There was additional potassium in the Himalayan sea salt I put on it as well.
Also, research shows most leafy greens today do not have as much magnesium or potassium as it did 50 years ago due to these being depleted from the soil.
And also soil is depleted of iodine. When I went to plain sea salt, my iodine level dropped below the normal range. I added sea salt with iodine back into my diet and in two months, I was back to the middle range of normal. I also live in the Rocky Mountains area, which had very little iodine to begin with, so my garden greens don't help with iodine at all.
I have to get back into Himalayan salt, it is from caves, not the sea, that is why there are so many more nutrients in it than sea salt. I love it, can eat it like kids eat rock candy
, just didn't get around to buying more when I last ran out. 0 -
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »
Exactly. I converted to unleaded years ago....0 -
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Dragonwolf wrote: »If Arctic explorers are living off primarily of protein and fat, and the Inuit are also living off primarily of protein and fat, why is it that the former die, while the latter thrive? The difference is in the freshness. The fresh meat provides the nutrients the people need.
Here's a good starting point on the subject.
Not only that. They also died of lead poisoning.
The containers were not 'tin cans' but cans made with lead. It leeched into their food, and basically, killed them. (That, and eating each other. The meat on their dead comrades was also contaminated.)
http://www.historytoday.com/sheila-rowbotham/canned-food-sealed-icemens-fate
Yeah, that certainly didn't help the cause of that expedition team.
I was referring primarily to the ones about 50 years later. There were several Arctic and Antarctic expedition teams circa 1910, with some faring better than others, thanks to whether they "did as the Romans" or tried to bring all their food with them. The ones on those trips tended more toward things like pemmican, jerky, and raisins, with lime juice to try to provide Vitamin C.1 -
Yes, that would have been a better regime.....0
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where does 1 Tbls of chia seeds hide 5g of carb??? I couldn't believe it! I don't care. I'm eating them for their anti-inflammatory effects.0
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cacolorado wrote: »where does 1 Tbls of chia seeds hide 5g of carb??? I couldn't believe it! I don't care. I'm eating them for their anti-inflammatory effects.
It's all fiber, so I wouldn't sweat it much.3
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