Anyone suffer from insomnia/disrupted sleep patterns?
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Then take salt.
Specifically, Himalayan rock salt.
Before going to bed, drink a glass of water, then place a grain of salt (about the size of a grain of risotto rice) on the middle of the tongue.
Close the mouth (connecting the salt with the palate) and you'll fall asleep before the salt has dissolved, or very shortly afterwards.
It works.
It just does, okay?
Try it.
Having suffered from intermittent insomnia myself, and an erratic and diverse sleep pattern, this has been a godsend.
Is the glass of water before bed necessary?0 -
@RAC56 I like a glass or two at bedtime to help detox over night and prevent kidney stones since I am into Vit D3 and K2. I normally sleep 6-8 hours without having to get up during the night.the last 40 years.4
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There are advantages to not having become cranky, cynical, jaundiced, or senile just yet.
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Surely @AlexandraCarlyle you don't mean THE Dr Batman the "water cure guy" who claims to have cured 3000 political prisoners of their peptic ulcers via 2 glasses of water...in 8 minutes.
Perhaps all those with diabetes should read his book "Water Cures Drugs Kill" or one of his other water cure books and cure themselves of their diabetes via a drinking a couple glasses of water and placing a mineral salt crystal on their tongue. Yes. Also a cure for diabetes. And insomnia. And cancer.
Please tell me you don't mean *that* Dr. Batman or tell me that you're joking about him being well-researched. People's health is at stake here.1 -
There must be more to it than the title suggests to fill books. ??
PS How about rectal warts?0 -
Actually I shouldn't have been so negative. Just because I and a guy on quackwatch think he is a quack doesn't mean he's a quack. Most of the "quackery" claims come from lack of peer review and such. I can't argue his focus that the body needs salt and water to not become dehydrated. Does water and salt cure every disease he claims? I'm not so sure.There must be more to it than the title suggests to fill books. ??
PS How about rectal warts?
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Actually I shouldn't have been so negative. Just because I and a guy on quackwatch think he is a quack doesn't mean he's a quack. Most of the "quackery" claims come from lack of peer review and such. I can't argue his focus that the body needs salt and water to not become dehydrated. Does water and salt cure every disease he claims? I'm not so sure.
If there are testimonials in place of actual quality studies, what is there to clarify in multiple books? Are there complex/detailed protocols for each disease and condition?1 -
Actually I shouldn't have been so negative. Just because I and a guy on quackwatch think he is a quack doesn't mean he's a quack. Most of the "quackery" claims come from lack of peer review and such. I can't argue his focus that the body needs salt and water to not become dehydrated. Does water and salt cure every disease he claims? I'm not so sure.
If there are testimonials in place of actual quality studies, what is there to clarify in multiple books? Are there complex/detailed protocols for each disease and condition?
The books are available from Amazon. If you are interested in his specific protocols for each disease you might be able to find the protocols in the books. I don't know. I've not read the books.
According to Dr Batman:
Drug addicts can be cured by water and salt per Dr. Batman (Batmangheldj) on one of his videos. Actually, I think that testimonial was from someone who was an Alcoholic.
Aids is a metabolic disease and never would have come to existence if the people of Africa were not dehydrated (per Dr. Batman).
And the Gulf War was won (per Dr. Batman) because the face of a human is an electromagnetic receptor and the American government has learned how to focus electromagnetic wave lengths onto the faces of the enemy and take over their brains causing them to surrender, per one of his videos. He discusses this (I believe he said in the video) in his book "The ABCs of Allergies, Asthma and Lupus".
Listen to his videos. Read his books. You decide what is fact and what is fiction. Like I said, much of I heard him say made a great deal of sense such as the body's need for water and sodium and the need for sodium to balance electrolytes. But then it became a bit unbelievable TO ME. I'm going to go for a walk now and take in a bit of extra salt because it is very hot outside. his I know to be true.
I'll hope that some government does use my face as a receptor to overtake my brain for some scientific study. Perhaps I should not take my cell phone so they will maybe have a more difficult time finding me? Bwaaaahhhh....
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Lol - I found out this week that insomnia and sleep issues come with peri-menopause. Not sure of all you ladies' ages, but if you are in that range it is something to consider! I also learned that muscle and joint aches are part of the territory (estogen dropping etc). 6 months of trying 100 different things to help, and basically the problem is that I am getting old
Have an appt next week with doc to discuss what the H8LL can be done about some of this stuff. 3 -
Lol - I found out this week that insomnia and sleep issues come with peri-menopause. Not sure of all you ladies' ages, but if you are in that range it is something to consider! I also learned that muscle and joint aches are part of the territory (estogen dropping etc). 6 months of trying 100 different things to help, and basically the problem is that I am getting old Have an appt next week with doc to discuss what the H8LL can be done about some of this stuff.
Make a Faustian deal with the devil?2 -
Surely @AlexandraCarlyle you don't mean THE Dr Batman the "water cure guy" who claims to have cured 3000 political prisoners of their peptic ulcers via 2 glasses of water...in 8 minutes.
Perhaps all those with diabetes should read his book "Water Cures Drugs Kill" or one of his other water cure books and cure themselves of their diabetes via a drinking a couple glasses of water and placing a mineral salt crystal on their tongue. Yes. Also a cure for diabetes. And insomnia. And cancer.
Please tell me you don't mean *that* Dr. Batman or tell me that you're joking about him being well-researched. People's health is at stake here.
Permit me to say in my defence, I have only read one book by the man - 'your body's many cries for water' and I found it informative and accurate - insofar as my own situation was concerned.
Secondly, There's an awful lot of 'crackpot' in Genius.
Einstein was a weird guy to talk to, apparently, and of course, John Nash had more than a few mental issues to deal with, alongside his extraordinary and unique intelligence.
So yes, I might concede, on the basis of your posts, that the man's assertions may be questionable. Fine, ok. I honestly can't comment further than that, one way or the other.
However, the fact that for the most part, people simply do not drink enough - is unarguable.3 -
naturalscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/wfns_special-report_water_03-03_english.pdf
Your Body’s many Cries for Water
Is this the Batman under discussion?1 -
Yes. That is the person I was listening to on line and referring to in my post/s.GaleHawkins wrote: »naturalscience.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/wfns_special-report_water_03-03_english.pdf
Your Body’s many Cries for Water
Is this the Batman under discussion?
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Thanks @kpk54 . I will read some of his stuff since that is a new name to me. I expect near 100% of health issues have dehydration as a factor in their cause.
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It's certainly a very serious mitigating factor in the elderly, because the elderly gradually lose their thirst trigger, and don't realise they need water. I mentioned this in another post, some time ago.
Put it this way: Any condition will benefit from re-hydrating the patient, because in any sickness there is an imbalance and it's most likely that fluids will play a part in the problem.
My ex-husband went to the doctor because he had a chesty, rheumy cough that just wouldn't go, but also suffered swelling in his legs (oedema). It was eventually discovered that he had an arrhythmic heartbeat and was on the way to a heart attack.
The give-away was the fluid build-up in his legs.
Water is the most vital and fundamental element in our lives and we need it to survive. We are cradled in it ebfore we are born.
Its symbolism throughout our lives is of paramount significance.
I also love this:
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Lol - I found out this week that insomnia and sleep issues come with peri-menopause. Not sure of all you ladies' ages, but if you are in that range it is something to consider! I also learned that muscle and joint aches are part of the territory (estogen dropping etc). 6 months of trying 100 different things to help, and basically the problem is that I am getting old Have an appt next week with doc to discuss what the H8LL can be done about some of this stuff.
I dunno... I think a lot of stuff gets blamed on menopause which can have many other causes. In my case I have disordered sleep, joint and muscle aches, and exhaustion, from fibromyalgia. These things can also be caused by disorders of the thyroid and other health issues, not because one can't have babies anymore.
I've always wondered why "menopause" is such a problem in mainly N American and European cultures and doesn't seem to be a thing in S America, Asia, Oceana, Africa. Maybe it's just crap diet (SAD)?1 -
canadjineh wrote: »Lol - I found out this week that insomnia and sleep issues come with peri-menopause. Not sure of all you ladies' ages, but if you are in that range it is something to consider! I also learned that muscle and joint aches are part of the territory (estogen dropping etc). 6 months of trying 100 different things to help, and basically the problem is that I am getting old Have an appt next week with doc to discuss what the H8LL can be done about some of this stuff.
I dunno... I think a lot of stuff gets blamed on menopause which can have many other causes. In my case I have disordered sleep, joint and muscle aches, and exhaustion, from fibromyalgia. These things can also be caused by disorders of the thyroid and other health issues, not because one can't have babies anymore.
I've always wondered why "menopause" is such a problem in mainly N American and European cultures and doesn't seem to be a thing in S America, Asia, Oceana, Africa. Maybe it's just crap diet (SAD)?
Oh I agree with you that other causes should be examined (thyroid testing is standard for menopause checks). But I also think fibromyalgia has the same issue - it is an exclusionary diagnosis, not a definitive one. It is "diagnosed" by looking at a pattern of symptoms and excluding other causes. There is no blood test for fibro. I was actually diagnosed with fibro years ago and it took me a year to find out that I did not have it - I had unintentionally overdosed on splenda (sucralose) - like 40 packs a day (it was new and I liked and thought it was a free food). The doc never asked and I didnt correlate. But the symptoms of it are almost identical to fibro. Once I cut out splenda, my symptoms ALL went away within months. I happened to come across a website one night while desperately searching for a cure for fibro that described the side effects of over-consumption of splenda.
So I also believe it is possible that some women are diagnosed with fibro when really it IS due to menopause. During peri-menopause, estrogen drops. This causes wonky periods, in addition to a whole host of symptoms that mirror fibro - fatigue, depression, poor memory, muscle and joint aches, breast ternderness. When progesterone drops , you also get more - irritability, anxiety, panic, muscle tension, sleeping issues, etc. ANd peri-menopause can last 2-10 years and dont always cause period issues. I have spent the last 1.5 years begging my doctor to figure out what is wrong with me - she cant find anything. I even starting thinking "fibro" again. But then she suggested based on my age it could be peri-menopause, which just never crossed my mind. On doing more research is it so obvious it is almost funny. I am due for some tests next weeek to monitor hormones to see if they need to replace.
What is different about low estrogen/progresterone and fibro is that there are tests that can tell you that you have them! Granted, they fluctuate throughout the month so it may come back normal one day but low the next.
Not sure if diet is related or not, but hormonal side effects are very real. As a further "test", replacing those with HRT can prove it by reversing those effects. There is no "cure" for fibro that will definitely diagnose it. I think fibro is what some physicians use when they have no clue and feel like they need to give the patient something to hang on to. That was what happened in my case - he tried testing everything, found nothing, and told me it was likely fibro and I could do some research if I wanted.
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Unfortunately FM is a real thing and there are mitochondrial tests that can be done, there is also excess Substance P in the cerebral spinal fluid, changes in the dopamine and serotonin receptors in the brain, and tests that show that muscles take twice as long to clear their load of lactic acid after exercise. Also leaky gut syndrome is common and generally shown to be gluten related. If you want more links to peer reviewed published studies in the medical journals I have a subscription to MedScape (continuing education site for medical professionals) and post the studies on this MFP forum: community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10104325/medscape-updates-on-clinical-studies-medical-professionals-continuing-ed-site-re-fm#latest3
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In my case the FM came on rather suddenly just after I recovered from a severe lung infection while working at the Olympics. Within a couple months (including the infection time) I quickly went from being a physio rehab assistant and teaching several fitness classes a week to not being able to walk two flat blocks without severe pain and exhaustion among other symptoms. I have done research and have a good PCP and rheumatologist and have 'rehabbed' myself back to a relatively normal life but in no way can I get back to my previous levels of activity. We did all kinds of other tests to see what it was/is and everything else came back as normal/healthy and none of the suspected other dx's were positive.3
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BTW, no one does the other tests for FM because they are either too invasive or too expensive or too time consuming. That's why it's usually an exclusionary diagnosis. The tests I mentioned usually only happen in studies.3
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Then take salt.
Specifically, Himalayan rock salt.
Before going to bed, drink a glass of water, then place a grain of salt (about the size of a grain of risotto rice) on the middle of the tongue.
Close the mouth (connecting the salt with the palate) and you'll fall asleep before the salt has dissolved, or very shortly afterwards.
It works.
It just does, okay?
Try it.
Having suffered from intermittent insomnia myself, and an erratic and diverse sleep pattern, this has been a godsend.
Is the glass of water before bed necessary?
I struggled to sleep last night, so drank the water, put the Himalayan salt on my palate and waited.... and waited... and waited.... Think I fell asleep about 90mins later, then woke up and needed the loo (I never drink before bed because of this reason) so now my body thought I was supposed to be up, so was awake from 3am-5.30am and I am grumpy at work.
This might work for some people, but the only way it affected me, was waking me up to go to the toilet, and thereby stopping me getting back to sleep for hours.3 -
canadjineh wrote: »BTW, no one does the other tests for FM because they are either too invasive or too expensive or too time consuming. That's why it's usually an exclusionary diagnosis. The tests I mentioned usually only happen in studies.
Oh I have absolutely NO doubt FM is real!! Sorry I didnt mean to imply that. I simply agreed that while, as you said, menopause can often be blamed/misdiagnosed for other disorders like FM , the opposite is often true as well. FM is often used (at least here in the states) as a "catch-all" for when nothing else obvious is found - I believe it is over-diagnosed. Which does a real disservice to those who actually have it, as well as the people mis-diagnosed who may have something that would have a different treatment and therefore suffer much longer.
Peri-Menopause is real too. Changes in hormones always cause issues, some not obviously related to it and therefore prone to misdiagnosis. I would MUCH rather my issues be menopause related than FM, because there are "simple" ways to alleviate symptoms and there is an end to it (albeit years away). FM is not so lucky. So if I were told again I have FM, and they did NOT do those deep tests (which I was not aware of - thank you ), i would be very suspect and would dig my hardest to confirm there was not some other issue.
I think many cases of FM/CFS/etc diagnoses are actually related to food/ingredients as well, they can easily mimic autoimmune symptoms and can be very very difficult to isolate... plus very few doctors seem to even consider it a possibily and dont think to talk to or discuss it with patients. Diet elimination experiements might "cure" some of these people, and I think it is sad they suffer much longer than needed because it is not explored.0 -
canadjineh wrote: »In my case the FM came on rather suddenly just after I recovered from a severe lung infection while working at the Olympics. Within a couple months (including the infection time) I quickly went from being a physio rehab assistant and teaching several fitness classes a week to not being able to walk two flat blocks without severe pain and exhaustion among other symptoms. I have done research and have a good PCP and rheumatologist and have 'rehabbed' myself back to a relatively normal life but in no way can I get back to my previous levels of activity. We did all kinds of other tests to see what it was/is and everything else came back as normal/healthy and none of the suspected other dx's were positive.
@canadjineh - I am so sorry for your journey to get there, and your loss of overall health, but I'm thankful for all the amazing information you share with us here! 0 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Then take salt.
Specifically, Himalayan rock salt.
Before going to bed, drink a glass of water, then place a grain of salt (about the size of a grain of risotto rice) on the middle of the tongue.
Close the mouth (connecting the salt with the palate) and you'll fall asleep before the salt has dissolved, or very shortly afterwards.
It works.
It just does, okay?
Try it.
Having suffered from intermittent insomnia myself, and an erratic and diverse sleep pattern, this has been a godsend.
Is the glass of water before bed necessary?
I struggled to sleep last night, so drank the water, put the Himalayan salt on my palate and waited.... and waited... and waited.... Think I fell asleep about 90mins later, then woke up and needed the loo (I never drink before bed because of this reason) so now my body thought I was supposed to be up, so was awake from 3am-5.30am and I am grumpy at work.
This might work for some people, but the only way it affected me, was waking me up to go to the toilet, and thereby stopping me getting back to sleep for hours.
I never drink before bed because of that reason too. Thanks for sharing your results. 1 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »Then take salt.
Specifically, Himalayan rock salt.
Before going to bed, drink a glass of water, then place a grain of salt (about the size of a grain of risotto rice) on the middle of the tongue.
Close the mouth (connecting the salt with the palate) and you'll fall asleep before the salt has dissolved, or very shortly afterwards.
It works.
It just does, okay?
Try it.
Having suffered from intermittent insomnia myself, and an erratic and diverse sleep pattern, this has been a godsend.
Is the glass of water before bed necessary?
I struggled to sleep last night, so drank the water, put the Himalayan salt on my palate and waited.... and waited... and waited.... Think I fell asleep about 90mins later, then woke up and needed the loo (I never drink before bed because of this reason) so now my body thought I was supposed to be up, so was awake from 3am-5.30am and I am grumpy at work.
This might work for some people, but the only way it affected me, was waking me up to go to the toilet, and thereby stopping me getting back to sleep for hours.
I never drink before bed because of that reason too. Thanks for sharing your results.
Drink before bed; not drink before bed. Makes no difference to my body. I still get up at least twice to pee about a full galloneach time it seems like.
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Drinking water before bed actually reduces the risk of stroke over oght from dehydration. Please don't risk dehydration over the inconvenience of having to get up to pee.1
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KnitOrMiss wrote: »Drinking water before bed actually reduces the risk of stroke over *night* from dehydration. Please don't risk dehydration over the inconvenience of having to get up to pee.
^^This^^ is probably the best reason ever to keep drinking! ("corrected" typo. I'm pretty sure it's what you meant!
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