Lindora?
CommanderEmily
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Anyone tried the Lindora plan? Bought the ebook version of their "Lean For Life" book, I don't live close enough nor have the money to fork out to be in a supervised program. The book has the whole program and lots of advice in it and so far what I am reading seems good. I suck at counting calories. I love working out, I love healthy food, but I am lazy and if it takes too much work I am bound to fail. I eant to teach myself to log but I don't want to fall off the wagon and this seems an ideal way to take most of the work out for me. I have a food scale and measuring or weight based on a plan is much more my speed than math. Keto was working for me last time, but I fell off the wagon pretty hard, and gained back the 30 lbs I had lost. Thats a pretty big deal to me, because I have a really hard tine losing weight, even just ten pounds. Im at the highest I have ever been and this needs to change. If anyone has tried Lindora or has advice, I would love some feed back. And I'm looking for motivation buddies because I lack a support system. Partner gets negative every time I try and when I eventually become depressed and discouraged they blame it on me never sticking to anything. Could be, but I used to be vegetarian for 8 years so I like to think somewhere inside me I have dedication and self control. Thanks!
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@CommanderEmily - A few thoughts, YMMV. (Feel free to keep or toss!)
You'll find oodles of support and solid info in this group. (Be sure to check out the sticky LCD Launchpad thread - it's loaded with great info.) And keto has worked for you before. So it doesn't sound like you need a supervised program (especially one that's pricey!).
But you will need to decide that getting in shape is important enough to get in the habit of logging your food. It's not hard with MFP, and it's something that will really help you.
Since you brought it up.... if you've got a partner who's not only not supportive but is actively negative
, that is a HUGE impediment to long-term consistency and dedication. Not ok! 
Your health is obviously important to you, and you have every right to expect a partner to support you. Hard decisions for both of you, but if the situation doesn't change, it may be time to move upwards and onwards....3 -
I read through some of the literature found on line. What I found calls it ketogenic but it really may not be. It definitely seems low carb and it is my thought that the low carb aspect and calorie control is what is needed/helpful for weight loss. Personally, I need a little more fat than this appears to include in order to not be hungry. I find fat to be satiating but frankly my weight loss "program" was much lower in fat than what I currently eat. What I read indicated Lindora is low carb, low fat, high protein. Ketogenic is usually considered low carb, moderate protein, high fat.
I was reading bits and pieces and saw 50 to 100 net carbs. Low carb but 50 to 100 net is not low enough for ketosis (for most people). Ketosis is not required for weight loss so go for it.
Everyone does not have to log calories to lose weight. I'm a calorie counter but it is not required by all. Logging/counting is very helpful to me. It is how I really realized how much I must have been eating previously. EEK! When someone indicates they're not losing but not logging/ counting, I'd be the 1st to say, "Start logging. You're eating more than you think".
If whatever you specifically implement is nutritious, allows you to lose weight and is sustainable it is AOK in my opinion. Overall health and weight loss was my goal and I achieved it without a lot of hassle. I changed my macros after learning a bit in this forum which made maintenance easier. I'm not an advocate of low fat for life. Fat is essential. Necessary to good overall health. It doesn't have to be 70+% of your calories unless you're eating Medically Therapeutic Ketogenic but fat is essential to good health. No need to fear fat.
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I feel about most $$ programs the same way I've always reacted to advertisements for money pits like Jenny Craig. What's the point of relying on someone else when the whole point of what we're doing is to acquire good habits that will last a lifetime? If you lose weight and/or get fit in some fashion that you can't in some fashion follow for the rest of your life, save your money and have another Oreo cookie because you're just setting yourself up for failure.
There are all sorts of tools, in physical book and online form, to help us educate ourselves. Use them and go for the long run.
And ditto on lack of support. You deserve better and you need to think seriously about getting it. This sort of head game is pure poison.3 -
I'm not convinced you are lazy, you said you had symptoms of depression. Everything is so incredibly hard when you are depressed, even/especially every day things. I say whatever gets you back on track in a way that makes sense in your mind is good. We all have to find the path that works best for us. Keep checking in here for support, we are all your buddies!1
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There is no one way to lose weight that is best for everyone. I came across a diet called the 4 S DIET. No Sweets. No Snacks. No Seconds. Except for days that begin with "S". My way of losing and maintaining has a few more "rules" than that but I can see how something as simple as The 4 S Diet could be completely effective. The more I think about it the more sense it makes to me. My downfall has always been sweets, snacking and seconds. Perhaps it is currently appealing to me as I've grown slightly weary of being my own science experiment. Hmmmm....
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Thank you guys
. I certainly dont plan to fork out the money for the online program they offer, but I took a gamble and bought the ebook. Spending 3 dollars on literature instead of a Mean Bean Monster seemed a fair trade. I've wasted money on worse things lol.
It does appear to be really low in fat compared to what I was eating on Keto before, but from what I've read in the book so far its supposed to be about retraining your metabolic process. There's huge chunks of medical stuff talking about microflora in our gut sending signals to the brain and etc. They do leave wiggle room to add to the menu if its too hard to maintain. Like snacks in between meals help. They expect people to eat something every 2 hours ish. I just feel like I need less of the decision in my hands. I sound like an idiot sometimes but even if I want to do something, I often can't seem to push myself to get there. Like, if I dont have a dinner plan in place I will stall for ages on what to cook. I'll look in the fridge, then give up and lay on the couch. This then eventually leads to giving up on a healthy meal and making convenient junk. I know I have to work at changing that but its really hard some days.
I want some amount of structure to help ease me in, you know? This book offers sample menus or even as eady as telling me things like 1 serving protein and 1 serving grain or fruit kinda deal. And then lists of what one servings of the different foods are. It takes a lot of the decision making out. I did some sort of diet atructured before and had an easier time not breaking it, but I didn't lose weight and reflecting on that I think it was what I was eating, but the structure was good. I did the 30 day starter keto thing and loved it (thats when I actually lost weight), but there was so much cooking involved and when I'm in a rut it is way easier to brown some ground beef and dump hamburger helper in it. Eventually after I finished the 30 days things started falling apart. Partially was money, it wasn't cheap to eat such an interesting and diverse menu.
Sorry for the wall of words. My partner has issues with depression too, but can't seem to understand mine and how it affects what I can accomplish. Like if I leave some dirty clothes on the floor. I know how to clean and like cleaning, but some days I'm just impressed that I got out of bed. It often takes all of my effort for the day to go to work and do my job, by the time I get home its like I've overdrafted the motivation account. I can't spend further because theres nothing left to spend til its out of the negative.
Its probably a big issue in why I struggle to lose weight. I work on my feet 8 hours a more a day with a lot of physical activity (in a grocery store deli, we do a lot more than lunch meat) and interaction with people. I get home and I'm burned out.
I'm hoping this is the time that sticks.1 -
if not for the High Fat on keto, i would never be able to stick to a weight loss plan at all. The fat is what makes me not hungry and allows for 'comfort' food and still be on plan.
I have a food staple of ground beef with some flavoring(fajita seasoning most of the time). cook it up and stick it in the fridge. If I don't feel like cooking something fresh, I get some of that, some cheese and baby romaine. I do one slice of the romaine, strips of cheese and then the meat. That is pretty close to hamburger helper style.
also,. the romaine, a strip of bacon (which I cook up a package at a time and keep uneaten in ziplock in fridge), good boar's head ham and cheese.
today I tried some egg salad on it.
I recently found this baby romaine and am loving it. I tried 'lettuce' for the bread/taco replacement and it never worked for me. This stuff works and it tastes good too.
I'm sure people can lose weight on low carb, low fat.... but I have no control when I am hungry. The fat is what keeps the hunger away. YMMV and everyone has to find what is good for them.2 -
I think @food_lover16 Makes some good points about fat and satiety, that's been my experience too. I cook a package of chicken tenders every week to store in the fridge. I cut some up over salad fixings and make my own dressing for a quick cold lunch or dinner several times over the course of the week.
I also wanted to mention I had been eating every two hours to keep my blood sugar levels even for years but I got heavier and heavier and I was already pretty low carb. Then I watched a Butter Bob YouTube video on insulin resistance and the timing of when you eat and have switched to intermittent fasting to try to regain control over my insulin levels. I know that's all a lot to think about when you are just trying to do something easy, so I'm sorry if this is too much to take in right now.1 -
@CommanderEmily I was very successful following the Lean for Life program from the book. There are 2 versions of the book. I prefer the first version. It is organized like a workbook. You read and follow a chapter a day. It is a Keto diet. Carbs are limited. It is low fat and low calorie. One day a week is strictly protein which helps you stay in Ketosis and not be hungry or have cravings on 800 calories a day. I lost 50 lbs and it was the easiest plan to stay compliant I have ever followed. That was in 1997. I did regain weight and went back to Lean for Life in September 2016. I have dropped 52 lbs since then. I am 4'11" and eat below 1000 calories a day in order to lose.
I have purchased products from their website. The protein bars are the best.2 -
CommanderEmily wrote: »Anyone tried the Lindora plan? Bought the ebook version of their "Lean For Life" book, I don't live close enough nor have the money to fork out to be in a supervised program. The book has the whole program and lots of advice in it and so far what I am reading seems good. I suck at counting calories. I love working out, I love healthy food, but I am lazy and if it takes too much work I am bound to fail. I eant to teach myself to log but I don't want to fall off the wagon and this seems an ideal way to take most of the work out for me. I have a food scale and measuring or weight based on a plan is much more my speed than math. Keto was working for me last time, but I fell off the wagon pretty hard, and gained back the 30 lbs I had lost. Thats a pretty big deal to me, because I have a really hard tine losing weight, even just ten pounds. Im at the highest I have ever been and this needs to change. If anyone has tried Lindora or has advice, I would love some feed back. And I'm looking for motivation buddies because I lack a support system. Partner gets negative every time I try and when I eventually become depressed and discouraged they blame it on me never sticking to anything. Could be, but I used to be vegetarian for 8 years so I like to think somewhere inside me I have dedication and self control. Thanks!
Sorry never read that book. As far as motivation, defiantly this group and there are several great ones on Facebook too. Even if you don't eat the exact plan they eat, the camaraderie is useful. Lots of militants too tho. I tend to leave those groups or block those ppl, but some ppl like being kicked in the butt. Each to their own. I'm too old for that nonsense.
If you're on Facebook, finding a buddy who is on board will help a lot if your hubby isn't in board (mine wasn't at first). Now he is and so is my daughter and my old diet buddy is MIA. So don't be afraid to switch mentors so to speak. Sometimes it can even be someone you meet in a group or forum but just click with. For me sharing my menu with them is much more motivational than just logging for myself.
You can do this a lot of ways. Send msgs, blog your days, share your diary here with them. I also sometimes like to photograph my food and share the photos here, on Facebook, or Pinterest.
The biggest advice I can say tho is just do it. If you mess up just do it. If you mess up again just do it. This is so vital to me I made this graphic. I keep it on my phone as the lock screen sometimes. Or my PC wallpaper. "It's a marathon, not a sprint! Get up!"
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@CommanderEmily I was very successful following the Lean for Life program from the book. There are 2 versions of the book. I prefer the first version. It is organized like a workbook. You read and follow a chapter a day. It is a Keto diet. Carbs are limited. It is low fat and low calorie. One day a week is strictly protein which helps you stay in Ketosis and not be hungry or have cravings on 800 calories a day. I lost 50 lbs and it was the easiest plan to stay compliant I have ever followed. That was in 1997. I did regain weight and went back to Lean for Life in September 2016. I have dropped 52 lbs since then. I am 4'11" and eat below 1000 calories a day in order to lose.
I have purchased products from their website. The protein bars are the best.
Thank you so much! I saw some people on youtube who said it worked for them, but I wanted to hear if it was worth it from real people if that makes sense. I'm not sure what veraion I recieved, but since I've got a love/hate relationship with bullet journaling I decided to just use that instead of a DAP. I thought about checking out their products, I'm glad to hear there are good options, because I'm still unsure about what to eat in the snack times. I will definitely check it out!
Just bought and measured and bagged stuff today because I want to have lots of things ready to go so I'm not stressing on it. I can commit a day each week or every other week as a prep day to measure stuff out so I can be lazy the rest of the week and just dump and cook lol.
Did the prep days matter to you? What did you eat during them? It sounds relatively normal when looking at the mock ups, so I wondered if its okay to skip but the book says not to. It feels like a lot of food.
What other steps do you take to stay on track? I bought sugar free fiber supplement, I've never used it before. I also already take a daily vitamin and a vitamin d.
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JessicaLCHF wrote: »CommanderEmily wrote: »Anyone tried the Lindora plan? Bought the ebook version of their "Lean For Life" book, I don't live close enough nor have the money to fork out to be in a supervised program. The book has the whole program and lots of advice in it and so far what I am reading seems good. I suck at counting calories. I love working out, I love healthy food, but I am lazy and if it takes too much work I am bound to fail. I eant to teach myself to log but I don't want to fall off the wagon and this seems an ideal way to take most of the work out for me. I have a food scale and measuring or weight based on a plan is much more my speed than math. Keto was working for me last time, but I fell off the wagon pretty hard, and gained back the 30 lbs I had lost. Thats a pretty big deal to me, because I have a really hard tine losing weight, even just ten pounds. Im at the highest I have ever been and this needs to change. If anyone has tried Lindora or has advice, I would love some feed back. And I'm looking for motivation buddies because I lack a support system. Partner gets negative every time I try and when I eventually become depressed and discouraged they blame it on me never sticking to anything. Could be, but I used to be vegetarian for 8 years so I like to think somewhere inside me I have dedication and self control. Thanks!
Sorry never read that book. As far as motivation, defiantly this group and there are several great ones on Facebook too. Even if you don't eat the exact plan they eat, the camaraderie is useful. Lots of militants too tho. I tend to leave those groups or block those ppl, but some ppl like being kicked in the butt. Each to their own. I'm too old for that nonsense.
If you're on Facebook, finding a buddy who is on board will help a lot if your hubby isn't in board (mine wasn't at first). Now he is and so is my daughter and my old diet buddy is MIA. So don't be afraid to switch mentors so to speak. Sometimes it can even be someone you meet in a group or forum but just click with. For me sharing my menu with them is much more motivational than just logging for myself.
You can do this a lot of ways. Send msgs, blog your days, share your diary here with them. I also sometimes like to photograph my food and share the photos here, on Facebook, or Pinterest.
The biggest advice I can say tho is just do it. If you mess up just do it. If you mess up again just do it. This is so vital to me I made this graphic. I keep it on my phone as the lock screen sometimes. Or my PC wallpaper. "It's a marathon, not a sprint! Get up!"
Thank you, I really appreciate the advice. Some times its harder to see the bigger picture. I know what you mean about the people, I quit using the mfp boards for a long time because it felt like whenever I asked for help (had a different account) people were nasty and hateful. I don't see the point in acting like that when we all are here for similar reasons. I'm probably going to have stupid questions or thoughts now and then but I don't really deserve how they'd act. I'm glad so far everyone has been great in this group. It makes a difference when its a positive environment.
I really appreciate the suggestions, I will give them a try. Doing something is always better than doing nothing, these ideas sound like they could help . 0 -
@CommanderEmily I did do the prep days, but didn't eat more than I normally did and tried to cut out sugar. I did and still do take a fiber supplement daily.
I used the Lindora protein bars as one snack each day and limited the bars to one a day. String cheese or boiled egg were other snacks. I stuck to 2 snacks a day - morning and afternoon. I found I wasn't hungry for the evening snack.
I do prep my food one day a week. I only cook for myself so I tend to eat the same things for a week.
After 2 days of protein only, I was in Ketosis which made staying on plan easier. The steady weight loss was my motivation to stay on plan. Stick with it, it does work. When I did get hungry it was always when a snack or meal was scheduled.
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In all honesty? It looks like the original South Beach Diet repackaged (and with their own bars etc.). With a little Dukan thrown in. It's a low glycemic diet, from what I can see. If you wanted to use a low glycemic approach, you could pick up South Beach book for a couple of bucks, or get one from the library. You could even just follow this little "cheatsheet".
http://www.southbeach-diet-plan.com
Regardless, good luck finding what works for you.1 -
@CommanderEmily I did do the prep days, but didn't eat more than I normally did and tried to cut out sugar. I did and still do take a fiber supplement daily.
I used the Lindora protein bars as one snack each day and limited the bars to one a day. String cheese or boiled egg were other snacks. I stuck to 2 snacks a day - morning and afternoon. I found I wasn't hungry for the evening snack.
I do prep my food one day a week. I only cook for myself so I tend to eat the same things for a week.
After 2 days of protein only, I was in Ketosis which made staying on plan easier. The steady weight loss was my motivation to stay on plan. Stick with it, it does work. When I did get hungry it was always when a snack or meal was scheduled.
I didn't even think of boiled eggs, that's a great idea. I did pick up string cheese and the nonfat yogurt with the lowest carbs I could find. Yogurt is probably less convenient to take on the go since I would have to measure it into another container before hand I think, so eggs sound perfect.
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Your best carb option is not gonna be nonfat yogurt but fullfat yogurt. They take out the fat and have to add taste back with sugar. IMO
FAT= Flavor in dairy including (but especially) cheese.1 -
You are welcome, anytime. Yogurt is a good snack. I get the oikos triple zero yogurt and add 1 scoop of isopure whey isolate protein powder. Another protein I use is Premier Protein shakes from Costco (Walmart also carries this brand.) I sometimes add the vanilla flavor to my coffee instead of creamer. I don't really enjoy cooking so these come in handy when I am short on time.1
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Thank you both for those ideas,
everyone here is so knowledgeable. I hadn't thought of putting protein powder in my coffee, would that count as a protein snack? Because I cut my sweet cream creamer a week ago and feel like my coffee is missing something. 0 -
Choose the yogurt that suits you and your plan the best. When I was eating keto I chose Fage Greek Total for the high fat content. It seems the program that interests you is not a high fat program.
I still eat high fat but choose to get my fats from a variety of sources. I currently choose my favorite Greek yogurt which happens to be 0 fat: Taste of Inspirations Non Fat Plain Greek. The carbs (per cup) in Fage Total (my former choice) are 9 with 9 sugars. The carbs in Taste of Inspirations 0 Fat Plain Greek are 10 with 8 sugars. No sugar added that I see in the ingredients list. Individual tastes vary and all zero fat products do not have added sugar for flavor. Many do.
Read your labels and choose what is best for your chosen program. "Taste of Inspirations" happens to be a local generic brand (so may not be available where you are). I purchase it at the store closest to me, the one I shop most frequently, it is $3.60 less per quart than Fage and has 130 calories compared to 220. That is a win, win, win, win for me plus the benefit of only carb higher, 1 sugar lower, no added sugar yadda, yadda, yadda....2 -
Choose the yogurt that suits you and your plan the best. When I was eating keto I chose Fage Greek Total for the high fat content. It seems the program that interests you is not a high fat program.
I still eat high fat but choose to get my fats from a variety of sources. I currently choose my favorite Greek yogurt which happens to be 0 fat: Taste of Inspirations Non Fat Plain Greek. The carbs (per cup) in Fage Total (my former choice) are 9 with 9 sugars. The carbs in Taste of Inspirations 0 Fat Plain Greek are 10 with 8 sugars. No sugar added that I see in the ingredients list. Individual tastes vary and all zero fat products do not have added sugar for flavor. Many do.
Read your labels and choose what is best for your chosen program. "Taste of Inspirations" happens to be a local generic brand (so may not be available where you are). I purchase it at the store closest to me, the one I shop most frequently, it is $3.60 less per quart than Fage and has 130 calories compared to 220. That is a win, win, win, win for me plus the benefit of only carb higher, 1 sugar lower, no added sugar yadda, yadda, yadda....
Yep, makes perfect sense.
The same reasoning applies to meat, of course - no reason not to eat lean cuts, if you'd prefer to get your fat / calories elsewhere.2 -
Choose the yogurt that suits you and your plan the best. When I was eating keto I chose Fage Greek Total for the high fat content. It seems the program that interests you is not a high fat program.
I still eat high fat but choose to get my fats from a variety of sources. I currently choose my favorite Greek yogurt which happens to be 0 fat: Taste of Inspirations Non Fat Plain Greek. The carbs (per cup) in Fage Total (my former choice) are 9 with 9 sugars. The carbs in Taste of Inspirations 0 Fat Plain Greek are 10 with 8 sugars. No sugar added that I see in the ingredients list. Individual tastes vary and all zero fat products do not have added sugar for flavor. Many do.
Read your labels and choose what is best for your chosen program. "Taste of Inspirations" happens to be a local generic brand (so may not be available where you are). I purchase it at the store closest to me, the one I shop most frequently, it is $3.60 less per quart than Fage and has 130 calories compared to 220. That is a win, win, win, win for me plus the benefit of only carb higher, 1 sugar lower, no added sugar yadda, yadda, yadda....
Yep, makes perfect sense.
The same reasoning applies to meat, of course - no reason not to eat lean cuts, if you'd prefer to get your fat / calories elsewhere.
I'm still unsure about meat cuts, but the book implies trimming off fat. Its probably because its an deep calorie deficit. They choose to amp up your protein for certain reasons instead. Which is ok by me, harder to mess up on protein.
At some point there will be a maintenance plan, hopefully doesn't involve lean cuts when I get steak because I looooove fat on my steak lol.1 -
CommanderEmily wrote: »Choose the yogurt that suits you and your plan the best. When I was eating keto I chose Fage Greek Total for the high fat content. It seems the program that interests you is not a high fat program.
I still eat high fat but choose to get my fats from a variety of sources. I currently choose my favorite Greek yogurt which happens to be 0 fat: Taste of Inspirations Non Fat Plain Greek. The carbs (per cup) in Fage Total (my former choice) are 9 with 9 sugars. The carbs in Taste of Inspirations 0 Fat Plain Greek are 10 with 8 sugars. No sugar added that I see in the ingredients list. Individual tastes vary and all zero fat products do not have added sugar for flavor. Many do.
Read your labels and choose what is best for your chosen program. "Taste of Inspirations" happens to be a local generic brand (so may not be available where you are). I purchase it at the store closest to me, the one I shop most frequently, it is $3.60 less per quart than Fage and has 130 calories compared to 220. That is a win, win, win, win for me plus the benefit of only carb higher, 1 sugar lower, no added sugar yadda, yadda, yadda....
Yep, makes perfect sense.
The same reasoning applies to meat, of course - no reason not to eat lean cuts, if you'd prefer to get your fat / calories elsewhere.
I'm still unsure about meat cuts, but the book implies trimming off fat. Its probably because its an deep calorie deficit. They choose to amp up your protein for certain reasons instead. Which is ok by me, harder to mess up on protein.
At some point there will be a maintenance plan, hopefully doesn't involve lean cuts when I get steak because I looooove fat on my steak lol.
Sounds good to me .If you're able to stick to your meal plans without being hungry all the time, why not fill the furnace from your fuel reserves? Meanwhile, you can look forward to putting butter on your steak when you hit goal.1
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