One thing frustrating about low carb/keto is the vaguries

tmoneyag99

Example: Milk - rarely and only in small amounts full fat.

Um... what is considered a small amount?

and for that matter how frequent is rare?

I mean today my milk fits in my Macros (just barely) but does it have enough sugar to throw off all of my hard work to get towards fat adaptation?

kwalton65

no, milk is ok if the rest of your diet is in check. Sugar is in so many things though you have to be careful. Like beef jerky seems like a winner, but most have a ton of sugar.
Just be mindful of everything you eat and a little milk wont kill your progress. I personally drink coconut milk and you can mix that with some heavy whipping cream for a thicker fat milk taste

Sunny_Bunny_

It’s vague because these details can vary from person to person based on the goals that person has.
If your goal is blood sugar control, milk will raise blood sugar and you may or may not be able to deal with that well enough to be able to continue to include milk.
If your goal is medically therapeutic ketosis, I’d say milk will not fit into that goal.
If your goal is weight loss without the complications of either of the above, you can probably make milk a part of your diet without issue.

chinatowninchina

tmoneyag99 wrote: »

Example: Milk - rarely and only in small amounts full fat.

Um... what is considered a small amount?

and for that matter how frequent is rare?

I mean today my milk fits in my Macros (just barely) but does it have enough sugar to throw off all of my hard work to get towards fat adaptation?

I don't use milk due to the carbs so I use cream which has less. Watch it though you can't drown in the stuff! It does initially help with fat adaption but eventually you need to watch how much. I use it in coffee and adjust the rest of my intake if needs be. I rarely go over my net carb allowance so it all seems to work out. I find if there is no cream I really resent the additional carbs etc from milk!

baconslave

chinatowninchina wrote: »

tmoneyag99 wrote: »

Example: Milk - rarely and only in small amounts full fat.

Um... what is considered a small amount?

and for that matter how frequent is rare?

I mean today my milk fits in my Macros (just barely) but does it have enough sugar to throw off all of my hard work to get towards fat adaptation?

I don't use milk due to the carbs so I use cream which has less. Watch it though you can't drown in the stuff! It does initially help with fat adaption but eventually you need to watch how much. I use it in coffee and adjust the rest of my intake if needs be. I rarely go over my net carb allowance so it all seems to work out. I find if there is no cream I really resent the additional carbs etc from milk!

I adore cream but always I point out (so you know this isn't directed specifically at you @chinatowninchina ) that it's quite caloric and it does have carbs. About half of milk in some cases. Most heavy creams here in the U.S. (double cream in the UK I think) are about .5 to 1 carb per tbsp. That can add up, fast!
So if a person is having a quarter cup per cuppa, that's 2-4 carbs each. And if you are very low carb, that's going to eat into your budget. And if that works for you, that's awesome. But a lot of people think that if 1 tbsp shows 0 on the label, then it doesn't have carbs, and they can just go to town with it. 1 tbsp DOES have carbs. At least approaching .5g, so...it's not free, carb-wise.

@tmoneyag99 Both the previous responses you've received are dead-on.

KnitOrMiss

The standard cup of cream has 6.4 carbs per the entire 8 oz cup...

So for 16 TBSP, that is 0.4 grams of carbs per TBSP...

I don't have the numbers on hand for double cream in the UK...


However, for me, the HUGEST difference is that for cream, the total carbs are less than 1 gram of actual sugar.

For whole milk, there may only be 11 grams of carbs in an 8 oz cup, but those are ALL 11 GRAMS OF CARBS FROM SUGAR (lactose).

I drink cream, and have no cravings. I drink milk, and get carb crashes and cravings out the wazza.

Now, I will add this caveat. I'm far more reactive to sugars than some folks, but half and half does this to me, also, again, likely from the sugar carbs... For someone less reactive, this might be acceptable. For me, it is not...

chinatowninchina

@KnitOrMiss it's roughly the same here in the UK maybe slightly less, as the one I use says 1.5 per 100ml so just under 0.5 for 2 tbsp. I only use about 2 to 3 per day in coffee and as I said, just personally obviously, I'd barter the additional calories against additional carbs so that I can eat more vegetables and salad! Basically it's what works for you and personal food choices while staying within your personal goals. Good luck to all