No One Method
julieworley376
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There are so many diets and diet aids out there it can be bewildering. I know most of us have gone from one diet to another in our quest to be fit and healthy for the rest of our lives.
When I was 7 years old I was on meal replacement biscuits. My parents didn't understand why they did not satisfy me, they were more like snacks to me. Then one day a man came to join our family dinner, I can't remember why and everyone was having salad.. he said.. for gods sake give that child some real food. I never saw more meal replacements.
Then there were Ayds. Ayds were like a kind of chewy fudge you ate with water about half an hour before a meal, they were designed to fill you up so you ate less. This particular 8 year old ate them like candy.. they didn't work.
Also at 8 years old I was taken to the Doctor and put on appetite suppressants. They did work. But I remember Mom and I going into town one day and I wanted a pineapple tart, which was a huge favorite. It was a pastry tart with some gooey pineapple stuff on the bottom, next was some type of cream and then a sickly sweet frosting that was hard on top.. I LOVED them. But apparently if you are on appetite suppressants you should not want pineapple tart. Therefore the pills didn't work, therefore they went away too.
The humiliation of not being allowed seconds of school dinner (which existed in those days and the food was AWESOME) because parents had visited school.
Having grapes and bananas rationed because they were fattening.
Only allowed maltesers as candy because they had the less fattening center (turned out to be BS)
Being made to drink disgusting PLJ a VERY sharp lemon juice drink as my only drink because it was less fattening.
Then there was the grapefruit diet where you ate half a grapefruit before dinner and it burned the fat.
Then the Beverley Hills diet.
The cucumber diet.
My own cheese spread and crispbread diet (aged 13).
Through all of this I didn't learn a thing about eating healthy.
I would attribute everything I now know about healthy eating to Weight Watchers. From them I learned how to balance eating real food, what got results and what kinds of foods give the best satisfaction for the lowest calorie count.
But I am still not a believer that one size fits all. For my current watching sodium needs Weight Watchers doesn't cut it on it's own, in fact for someone like me, some of the things they advocate make my condition worse!
So what I do is this. I go with my husband to Weight Watchers to take what I can use from the classes and to keep an independent monitor on my weight and to get support. But if I don't want to get weighed I won't. I am also not dependent upon gaining stars an stuff.. with my weight tied so closely to sodium levels etc sometimes my weight zooms up.. if I am dependent upon the scales it actually affects my eating disorder in all the wrong ways.
I use MFP to gain from this group and to log my food. I am more comfortable counting calories than points, they make more sense to me, I understand calories, they are simple. Why can't weight watchers use calories? Plus MFP also gives me the nutritional breakdown WW doesn't and I think they will find they need to change that.
I also use a WW activity tracker but I have my eye on the Amiigo ftness band.
So I am using a blend of methods that work to get heathy in a way that uniquely fits my own needs. I don't think there is any one method.
How do the rest of you feel? What kind of eating program are you using? What uniquely fits you?
When I was 7 years old I was on meal replacement biscuits. My parents didn't understand why they did not satisfy me, they were more like snacks to me. Then one day a man came to join our family dinner, I can't remember why and everyone was having salad.. he said.. for gods sake give that child some real food. I never saw more meal replacements.
Then there were Ayds. Ayds were like a kind of chewy fudge you ate with water about half an hour before a meal, they were designed to fill you up so you ate less. This particular 8 year old ate them like candy.. they didn't work.
Also at 8 years old I was taken to the Doctor and put on appetite suppressants. They did work. But I remember Mom and I going into town one day and I wanted a pineapple tart, which was a huge favorite. It was a pastry tart with some gooey pineapple stuff on the bottom, next was some type of cream and then a sickly sweet frosting that was hard on top.. I LOVED them. But apparently if you are on appetite suppressants you should not want pineapple tart. Therefore the pills didn't work, therefore they went away too.
The humiliation of not being allowed seconds of school dinner (which existed in those days and the food was AWESOME) because parents had visited school.
Having grapes and bananas rationed because they were fattening.
Only allowed maltesers as candy because they had the less fattening center (turned out to be BS)
Being made to drink disgusting PLJ a VERY sharp lemon juice drink as my only drink because it was less fattening.
Then there was the grapefruit diet where you ate half a grapefruit before dinner and it burned the fat.
Then the Beverley Hills diet.
The cucumber diet.
My own cheese spread and crispbread diet (aged 13).
Through all of this I didn't learn a thing about eating healthy.
I would attribute everything I now know about healthy eating to Weight Watchers. From them I learned how to balance eating real food, what got results and what kinds of foods give the best satisfaction for the lowest calorie count.
But I am still not a believer that one size fits all. For my current watching sodium needs Weight Watchers doesn't cut it on it's own, in fact for someone like me, some of the things they advocate make my condition worse!
So what I do is this. I go with my husband to Weight Watchers to take what I can use from the classes and to keep an independent monitor on my weight and to get support. But if I don't want to get weighed I won't. I am also not dependent upon gaining stars an stuff.. with my weight tied so closely to sodium levels etc sometimes my weight zooms up.. if I am dependent upon the scales it actually affects my eating disorder in all the wrong ways.
I use MFP to gain from this group and to log my food. I am more comfortable counting calories than points, they make more sense to me, I understand calories, they are simple. Why can't weight watchers use calories? Plus MFP also gives me the nutritional breakdown WW doesn't and I think they will find they need to change that.
I also use a WW activity tracker but I have my eye on the Amiigo ftness band.
So I am using a blend of methods that work to get heathy in a way that uniquely fits my own needs. I don't think there is any one method.
How do the rest of you feel? What kind of eating program are you using? What uniquely fits you?
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Interestingly, weight watchers used to use calories but switched to points because counting calories was such a pain in the butt. Now that we have calorie counters and food trackers and database and scanning equipment, all in our phones!, I wouldn't be surprised to see them go back.
I'm not attending any groups right now, but when I go back, I'll go back to Overeaters Anonymous . For v me, my progress hinges on acknowledging that I am an addict, not just a failed dieter,
I 'm typing on my phone, otherwise I would have LOTS to say about your childhood!!!!!????0 -
I love that you share!!!!!!!!!!! - I too have to use a little of everything - right now I am just trying to stay within my calories - trying to make healthy choices (like the carrots I brought to the pool today or the collards (no meat) and broccoli slaw I made to take to cook out).
I did weight watchers a few times - was successful if I stayed with it - but its easier with MFP - weight watchers doesn't have the catalog of foods that MFP does.
So sorry to hear about your childhood eating "plans" your parents tried - I bet if they would have left you alone - things would have been different - do you think? I know for me -I have always talked about food and dieting in front of my child and it was not good - she is addicted to sugar just like me - probably because of me - but she is a healthy weight and works out everyday and was really only chunky in HS and then got sick, lost like 40 pounds and never gained it again.
They say "oh cut out whole milk you lose 10 pounds a year" NOT - or "Stop drinking soda and you will lose weight " MNOT...you have to make small changes - I see I am making small changes - Im 50 - it took me years to get here and it will take a while to turn it all around0 -
Karen I have no doubt you will be commenting later when you are NOT on your phone.
The only thing I would say to you cekennon is that you are NOT just trying.. you are doing. I would suggest.. I work to stay within my calories, I make healthy choices. I believe in us making very positive statements because of the mental effects on us.
My Dad and I were the only overweight ones in my family unit, my Mother and three siblings were all healthy weight but my Mom would constantly diet to stay that way. My weight was the topic of conversation ALL the time. Plus, I was abused at the age of 3 by a family member, my older sister told me that I was a perfectly normal weight toddler, it was then my weight issues began. But I don't think anything from then on helped such a damaged little girl. Plus my Mom was the kind of person who showed her love through feeding people. It says a lot that my own little girl was slim as a rake until she was 10 years old when she needed her appendix out.. she recuperated at my Mom's.. guess what? She also developed a big weight problem from that point on.
My current husband for all his faults was the driving force behind getting to the bottom of the issues I had. Turns out I needed medication for genetic chemical imbalance and I am sure other issues I will touch on at another time also contributed. I am now the most balanced I have ever been in my entire life and now feel I can help myself and others.
This group is as therapeutic for me as it is for anyone else.0 -
I too have tried many plans and programs over the years. My diets started young, although not as young as yours.
One of the things about almost every diet I've tried is they are all trying to come up with alternate methods to reduce/restrict your food without having you count calories. Of course many of those were before the days of smart phones where you can scan a food item to get the nutritional info. Counting calories and recording it is some notebook was a pain in the behind. But MFP makes calorie counting so easy, that I actually find it empowering.
I like the fact that I know the underlying data and can make informed choices about what I will and won't eat. Some days that is a matter of really wanting something (like pizza or cheesecake), knowing I have the calories for a certain amount of it, and eating it guilt free. Other days, like today, it is figuring out what to eat to achieve my macro goals. Sometimes I check out a combination by logging it and seeing what it does to my day. If I don't like it, I delete it and find something else.
There isn't one food plan that works for everyone. For some it is low carb/high fat, for others high protein, moderate carb, and still others focus on paleo, clean, vegan, or whatever other food combination works for them. I think it is important to figure out what works for you and focus on refining and personalizing that. We can share advice on what has worked or not worked for us, but just because something helps me doesn't mean it will help anyone else.
I would venture that for most of us who reached the morbidly obese category there are also some emotional / eating disorder issues going on too. So we also have to fight a battle in our heads. Those are also very personal battles. We can support and encourage each other, but at the end of the day we need to figure out how to deal with them.
Anger is an emotional eating trigger for me. I don't express it well, and when I keep it bottled in it makes a knot in my stomach that I used to try to resolve with food. This morning at 1am I was very disappointed and angry at someone. I really wanted to stuff my face on something. But I looked at my calorie count for the day and I knew that if I indulged at 1am, Saturday was going to be a very long day indeed. So I went upstairs and laid in bed and tried to let the emotions out. I didn't get a lot of sleep, but I didn't eat inappropriately. I may have one yesterday's battle, but I'm sure there will be many more in this war.0 -
Sue that is wonderful!! GREAT job for not eating when you so desperately wanted to.. you battled your demons and won! I am SO proud of you!! I bet you are proud of yourself too.
I also love MFP for tracking. It is very easy.. every food I have wanted to track is in there, it sometimes takes a bit of searching to find the quantity I want but it's no biggie. I love how it gives the nutritional breakdown.. it even helped when my husband wanted to know how many carbs were in dinner.0 -
Julie, I'm sorry to hear about your childhood. It doesn't sound like you had a chance to be a child. Karen, I also like Overeaters Anonymous. I like the accountabililty of having a sponsor. Sue, great job for not eating your emotions!
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I've never been one for fad "Diets" or tricks, I've always used the same method to lose weight. Healthy food moderation. I eat between 1200/1600 cals daily = 2/3 fruits, 5/7 veggies, 50-80 gr. of protein, 28 gr fiber, 80/100% calcium, half my weight in oz of water, and if I feel the need a small (less than 250 cals) treat at the end of the eve. My problems never been lack of dietary knowledge. When I am emotional I just don't care. I love food and I eat because I love the flavors, the texture, the smell, the sociable aspects! This time I'm not going to let anyone, not even myself pull me back into that "I don't care attitude"!!! I do care! I love myself, my life, my family! I want to enjoy many more very active years!! Blessings0
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Calories in < calories burned.. is the only way to lose weight. Whether or not you eat cabbage soups, low-carb, pizza, ice cream or Weight Watchers.. the calories are what matter.
Everyone is different in their own way to the goal of eating less calories, but any way you get there will shed weight.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/841305-corn-used-my-man-parts-as-a-speedbag0 -
Although I was always overweight growing up, I hit the morbidly obese stage in my late 40's. Have tried all the diets mentioned over the years from my 20's onwards. The worst one I remember was drinking liquid protein...that was awful!!! My mom who is a retired dietitian always told me to count calories...and I never listened. Then when I found MFP I decided to try it as it was so automated and easy to do. I also joined a challenge group on MFP and have met my challenge and will start another one soon.
By counting calories it gives you an idea of portion control too...and that has been a big help for me. I have not gotten 'into' the 'marcros' part of counting yet. I had a bunch of blood work last week so will see what that tells me as far as cholesterol etc goes. May have to start counting those too! I have also started to exercise because as the weight comes off, you have more energy to do things. So for me...I am sticking with the logging in daily at MFP, finding a couple groups on MFP, and counting calories and exercising.0 -
Calories in < calories burned.. is the only way to lose weight. Whether or not you eat cabbage soups, low-carb, pizza, ice cream or Weight Watchers.. the calories are what matter.
Everyone is different in their own way to the goal of eating less calories, but any way you get there will shed weight.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/841305-corn-used-my-man-parts-as-a-speedbag
Thanks for the link...copied it and will post it at work and at home!!!0 -
That was a great link! It means something to me too because damnit if I have to change my eating I need to eat things I actually like eating. I love Jasmine rice, it is the only rice I really like and it's white. There are worse things.0
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I think I have tried everything out there also. I at one time went to one of those weight loss clinics and got B-12 shots to help lose weight...they did nothing for me at all. All of the over the counter diet pills, I think I tried at one time or another. The best thing that really worked for me was low carb and high protein; but that is a tough one to stick with. I wasn't ever hungry on it, but long term it is hard to me to keep with it. Right now my husband and I are actually taking Skinny Fiber supplements that you take 30 minutes before meals to help you feel full. "Supposedly" you can lose weight without exercising, but we all know no pill can truly guarantee that promise . We decided to try them because we couldn't find really many bad reviews on them, and figure if it helps control our gorging at meals then it may help at least with that and would be worth it until we can get our eating under control. I AM trying to keep my carbs lower than what I was doing, though by no means am I truly low carbing because I have a slice of diet wheat bread with peanut butter for breakfast nearly every morning, but that works for me right now. It does seem that I am losing slow and steady so I will take whatever works :laugh:
Julie I am so sad for your childhood. It makes my heart ache for you. It does seem like you never got to be a child.
I think one of the hard things for me was, Oh you have such a pretty face, now if you would just lose weight....from my grandmother
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Still on phone and now roaming until I figure out the wifi here. Something I learned in eating disorder program- -very significant correlation between abuse and molestation and binge eating disorders and bulimia. Nearly 75%. So yes, while calories in and calories out is the only way to lose, for me to truly get to a healthy weight and stay there means addressing what got me here.0
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I've got something to say about this. YES, it is a fact! Now my problem, it doesn't promote healthy weight loss, its any weight loss. You're talking to a group of people that have eating disorders. In this group we need to learn "Healthy eating Moderation". We need to come to terms with why we overeat. Yes, I know people will argue that just because you're over weight that doesn't mean you have a disorder, I disagree. You don't get a BMI of more than 50% without a eating disorder. I hope a healthy weight loss journey is what we are all here in this group for. Now if we ate nothing but 6 cupcakes everyday, yes we would be at caloric goal, if we stuck to it we would lose, but how would our hearts look? How about our arterys? Would we be able to maintain this cupcake diet for the rest of our lives? And if we did how long and enjoyable would they be?Calories in < calories burned.. is the only way to lose weight. Whether or not you eat cabbage soups, low-carb, pizza, ice cream or Weight Watchers.. the calories are what matter.
Everyone is different in their own way to the goal of eating less calories, but any way you get there will shed weight.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/841305-corn-used-my-man-parts-as-a-speedbag
This has bothered me every time I hear it. Out in the main forums I keep my mouth shut, but here I really don't think this is the place for it. So yes your statement is fact! So is this one - everyone that knows how to swim, can swim from the States to Africa. Its just one stroke after another till you get there!!! This is a fact, but in reality - How many people would be able to make that journey?
the calories in / verses calories out without regard for nutrition or health really bothers me! I had a friend that believed that is what weight loss was all about. She didn't care about the nutrition aspect. People praised her all the time, so when those of us that was concerned said anything she wouldn't hear it. She would always say " I know what I'm doing! Its a simple formula - Calories in / Calories out." Did she get to goal? - yes, and a little under. Did she look good? - yes, as long as she had markup on, without it she looked gray. Did she maintain it? Yes, its hard for a dead woman to gain weight. She had ruined her heart and had a massive heart attack 3 months after reaching goal. When she started her journey she had a full work up. Was very healthy. The Dr. told her that yes she was healthy but due to her weight she wouldn't be for long. She had to get the weight off or it would shorten her life span. That quack was one of her biggest supporter, he would just praise her all day long about her loss, all the while saying that he didn't know anything about nutrition.
Yup, out in the main forums I keep my mouth shut! But not here, not with this group. For healthy, maintainability, its more than "Calories in / Calories out "!!
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I agree with you on everything you said Sandy. For the morbidly obese it is certainly more complex and yes this is what I really want to tackle in this group and I see signs we are indeed tackling it.
It wasn't so much the calories in/calories out that I got from it, for me it is more about the fact that there are tons of weight loss methods out there that exist mainly to part us from our money when actually we don't need them. Do some of them work? Yes they do but most of them only because they still follow that basic principle, calories in/calories out. In fact if you look at the small print on the commercials every one of them say it works as part of a calorie controlled diet, so why not just control the calories without the weight loss aid?
Seems to me there is a place for everything. Maybe Nutrisystem works if you have a few stubborn pounds to lose, ditto Jenny Craig, but it doesn't teach you how to eat healthy. Weight Watchers will teach you to eat more healthy foods and about healthy portions, but it doesn't cover the nutritional aspects in detail. One of the things I hate is those commercials for those diet programs that say, you can eat burgers, pizza and delicious desserts and still lose weight. That is not promoting healthy eating, it is encouraging staying with the habits that got us to this size in the first place!
I believe all of us, if we really want to be successful, have to change our habits in food selection and exercise along with dealing with the mental and emotional aspects of our eating disorder.
So we come back to there is no one method but I advocate basic fruits, vegetables, whole grains, protein and healthy fats in healthy proportions to form the basis of our diet along with exercise of any kind. You will notice I use the word healthy a lot. Clearly a diet that is disproportionately high in bad fats, sugar and sodium is unhealthy so I certainly don't advocate a diet of cup cakes calorie controlled or not!0 -
Woo hoooo! Starting my cupcake diet RIGHT NOW!!!! Nom nom nom.0
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Karen... you crack me up!0
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Sandy, thank you for writing everything I wanted to write if I weren't still roaming on my phone! That calories in/calories out statement, in my mind, is just ****ty. Yes, that's the bottom line, but what I hear in it is judgement: if you can't simply go to the gym and lift weights and restrict your eating, then you're a loser who deserves to be fat.
Your analogy of swimming was PERFECT, LOL!!! Thank you for that.
And yes, Julie, I see this forum as a safe haven for people with disordered eating. There isn't a single one of us who hasn't dieted and exercised before, many for decades, many using extreme measures. We need a safe place to process and get and offer support.
And thank you MFP for filtering my pprofanitis so I don't have to! LOL!0 -
Lol, I know I was just about to go out and get a dozen for the next few days. Then decided I like my heart and to feel like I've ate something at the end of the day. I like the feeling of being full and satisfied, not satisfied but still hungry! - wait, is that even possible!?!?Woo hoooo! Starting my cupcake diet RIGHT NOW!!!! Nom nom nom.0 -
You're very much welcome!Sandy, thank you for writing everything I wanted to write if I weren't still roaming on my phone! That calories in/calories out statement, in my mind, is just ****ty. Yes, that's the bottom line, but what I hear in it is judgement: if you can't simply go to the gym and lift weights and restrict your eating, then you're a loser who deserves to be fat.
Your analogy of swimming was PERFECT, LOL!!! Thank you for that.
And yes, Julie, I see this forum as a safe haven for people with disordered eating. There isn't a single one of us who hasn't dieted and exercised before, many for decades, many using extreme measures. We need a safe place to process and get and offer support.
And thank you MFP for filtering my pprofanitis so I don't have to! LOL!0 -
I am in total agreement too Sandy! My husband is always wanting to incorporate "junk" in his diet and I keep trying to explain to him that that junk is not good for him , even if he is under his calories. It is not teaching healthy ways of eating. Or his biggest thing is, well when we get to goal I want to eat this. I don't think he understands that we should not "reward" ourselves with food. We need to be eating to live, not living to eat. And IMO that means we need to be eating healthier. Obviously, this is tough for all of us or we wouldn't be here. I totally agree too that we need to find out "WHY" we are like we are and why we have eating disorders before we can truly be healthy.0
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Heaven julie, you really have tired (made to) the pantheon of dieting gimmicks.
To be fair to weight watchers, they do count calories, or as of now they count macro nutrients, but they do have to have something simple to sell and to them its points. Thats what every "dieting" method, fad, or product has in common, it has to be simple. That is why their is a cookie diet, aka the sexier version of the meal replacement biscuits. They wrap macro nutrients in points to make it easy and "unique." Not unique enough apparently since they keep loosing people to MFP and other free calorie counters that make the job easier and a lot less obscure. I remember the days of looking up calories in the books WW would publish.
But as we all know from our situation their is nothing simple about this. The reality of weightless is simple, getting their, doing and maintaining isn't. So yes, I agree, their is no one way to go about it but their is one thing you have to achieve, your calorie deficit. Healthily or unhealthily. Hopefully the former.
Thats what i find so frustrating, the absurd amount of contradictory information, trends and food gimmicks (if I have to hear someone tell me about the evils of gluten one more time I will pickup the packet of overpriced gluten free whatever and throw them at you, and then apologies if you actually have a gluten intolerance). Apparently it is too much in this day and age to simple desire to eat a straightforward, unabsurd, healthy meal. I understand as someone who has brought their BMI into the 45%, dear god level, that many of the challenges I need to overcome are my own (mentally, emotional and habitually), but it does seem like everything is against you from achieving this relatively straightforward goal. My own challenges are far enough thank you, I don't need to be navigating and fighting this world of absurd eating dieting and food myths.
Our world has a very bazaar relationship to food (yes even you paleo diet "but i'm eating like my ancient ancestors" people), and our attempts to make it better (especially when their is a price tag attached) only seem to make things more confused. I've gotten past the confusion but still find it infuriating that we don't yet live in a world that understands and supports this straightforward goal.
... and now I am done ranting. This is what happens when you get sick and can't post for two days.0 -
Just happy to have you back Pat!! I am loving the discussion this post has provoked and look forward to more!
I agree the 'one true way' of doing this stance sucks. Though I do have a Grandaughter who is genuinely and medically gluten intolerant, it affects her kidneys, and I am grateful for all the gluten free products out there that have helped her feel like a normal little girl growing up.0 -
I've got something to say about this. YES, it is a fact! Now my problem, it doesn't promote healthy weight loss, its any weight loss. You're talking to a group of people that have eating disorders. In this group we need to learn "Healthy eating Moderation". We need to come to terms with why we overeat. Yes, I know people will argue that just because you're over weight that doesn't mean you have a disorder, I disagree. You don't get a BMI of more than 50% without a eating disorder. I hope a healthy weight loss journey is what we are all here in this group for. Now if we ate nothing but 6 cupcakes everyday, yes we would be at caloric goal, if we stuck to it we would lose, but how would our hearts look? How about our arterys? Would we be able to maintain this cupcake diet for the rest of our lives? And if we did how long and enjoyable would they be?Calories in < calories burned.. is the only way to lose weight. Whether or not you eat cabbage soups, low-carb, pizza, ice cream or Weight Watchers.. the calories are what matter.
Everyone is different in their own way to the goal of eating less calories, but any way you get there will shed weight.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/841305-corn-used-my-man-parts-as-a-speedbag
This has bothered me every time I hear it. Out in the main forums I keep my mouth shut, but here I really don't think this is the place for it. So yes your statement is fact! So is this one - everyone that knows how to swim, can swim from the States to Africa. Its just one stroke after another till you get there!!! This is a fact, but in reality - How many people would be able to make that journey?
the calories in / verses calories out without regard for nutrition or health really bothers me! I had a friend that believed that is what weight loss was all about. She didn't care about the nutrition aspect. People praised her all the time, so when those of us that was concerned said anything she wouldn't hear it. She would always say " I know what I'm doing! Its a simple formula - Calories in / Calories out." Did she get to goal? - yes, and a little under. Did she look good? - yes, as long as she had markup on, without it she looked gray. Did she maintain it? Yes, its hard for a dead woman to gain weight. She had ruined her heart and had a massive heart attack 3 months after reaching goal. When she started her journey she had a full work up. Was very healthy. The Dr. told her that yes she was healthy but due to her weight she wouldn't be for long. She had to get the weight off or it would shorten her life span. That quack was one of her biggest supporter, he would just praise her all day long about her loss, all the while saying that he didn't know anything about nutrition.
Yup, out in the main forums I keep my mouth shut! But not here, not with this group. For healthy, maintainability, its more than "Calories in / Calories out "!!
Blessings
..who said anything about eating unhealthy? The post is about losing weight on fad diets. You are adding content to the thread. "Healthy" has a subjective meaning. Don't assume if I say calories in vs. calories out, that I mean to eat cupcakes. That is ludicrous.0 -
Calories in < calories burned.. is the only way to lose weight. Whether or not you eat cabbage soups, low-carb, pizza, ice cream or Weight Watchers.. the calories are what matter.
Everyone is different in their own way to the goal of eating less calories, but any way you get there will shed weight.
..who said anything about eating unhealthy? The post is about losing weight. You are adding content to the thread. "Healthy" has a subjective meaning. Don't assume if I say calories in vs. calories out, that I mean to eat cupcakes. That is ludicrous.
Actually this thread is about different methods of losing weight, and I'm loving the debate. No one will argue that calories in versus calories out equals weight loss. What we're exploring is how to limit calories in and how to increase calories out in ways that are sustainable. And there are MANY variables in that equation. (Haha... my autocorrect turned equation into aggravation. .. how appropriate. )0 -
Actually this thread is about different methods of losing weight, and I'm loving the debate. No one will argue that calories in versus calories out equals weight loss. What we're exploring is how to limit calories in and how to increase calories out in ways that are sustainable. And there are MANY variables in that equation. (Haha... my autocorrect turned equation into aggravation. .. how appropriate. )
I think people are looking for a debate where there isn't one. If I were to explain weight loss in detail then I'd pretty much have a book on my hands to ensure no one throws a make-believe debate into the mix.
I assume people are not retarded, so I took no time to explain nutrition and how eating only cupcakes would kill you.0 -
I get it Awesome Guy, I really do. I think just a part of it hit a raw nerve for someone and they wanted to give an alternate point of view.0
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I get it Awesome Guy, I really do. I think just a part of it hit a raw nerve for someone and they wanted to give an alternate point of view.
I understand. My OP was directed to you and you got it. I'm not those guys on the forum telling people that calories are all that matter and getting sad if someone doesn't eat pizza or ice cream. I am also offended by these people.0 -
I never wanted a debate, or to add "content" ( sorry -I'm not sure what you mean by that) I truely get tired and concerned for people when we're told all the time that as long as you eat at a deficit it doesn't matter what you eat. Because it does matter to your health in the long run. This attitude is what has help a lot of us that yoyo- lose and then get bigger, lose again and then get even bigger. So when you said "the calories are what matter" and " any way you get there will shed weight " it rubbed me the wrong way. After reading your last few post- I went back and reread the original. I still read it the same way. It just seemed very condescending. I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers, but I felt like you was one of those guys you're describing above. I understand there could have been a misconception of what you intended to say. And I never debated that you're not correct, I said that you was from the beginning. But its statements like that from a Dr. that cost my friend her life. That's what he said to her " its a simple formula, you just have to want it bad enough, it doesn't matter what you eat. Its just calories in / calories out. "I get it Awesome Guy, I really do. I think just a part of it hit a raw nerve for someone and they wanted to give an alternate point of view.
I understand. My OP was directed to you and you got it. I'm not those guys on the forum telling people that calories are all that matter and getting sad if someone doesn't eat pizza or ice cream. I am also offended by these people.
We are all wanting to do it the healthy way this time. Its up to each one of us to decide what our own definition of healthy is. What's healthy for one could be deadly for another. That's why there's no one method. I hope there are no hard feeling between us. I'm looking forward to getting to know you. Who knows we might disagree again, but that's ok, its how we learn. And lord knows I've got a lot to learn. I truely wish you the healthiest, safest, and very successful journey. Blessings :flowerforyou:0 -
Thanks for ALL the thought provoking posts. I've been at work since 7A.M. and am catching up on posts.
Michelle in Ohio0
