Elliot Hulse....yay or nay?

hookilau

While looking around on youtube at form checks & stuff, I came across Elliot Hulse videos.

I find him hilarious, engaging & don't really know when to take him seriously when he talks, so I don't really take any of it seriously. Right now, it's about exercise related entertainment.

I know what I personally think of him, what I want to know is, what's the consensus on his area of expertise?

tedrickp

I used to follow him closely - and in my honest opinion he has just gotten too weird for me.

I agree he is very interesting, but there are so many good fitness Youtube channels out there now, I just don't find myself checking his out anymore.

SideSteel

I'm really not a fan of his information.

hookilau

Interesting.
Right now, I'm just watching some of the old 'Hey Elliot' vids where he answers ridiculous questions from people and it just seems like another version of 'Guy Code' :laugh:

Admittedly, I'm the kind of girl who doesn't listen a whole lot & my attention wanders easily when guys talk guy stuff. To make matters worse, I'm that girl who has her IPOD on so loud that she tunes you out. You can imagine how hard it can be training with someone else at the gym :laugh:

My husband's learned to deal with it.:smooched:

SS: wondering what 'information of his' specifically that you're not a fan of
tedrickp: yeah, he gets kinda weird sometimes and I get the feeling the whole thing is a half put on :laugh:

ETA: I guess what I'm trying to say is that he is to me, what comic books are to kids who aren't particularly interested in reading?

hookilau

ok now...found the Hodgetwins too...:laugh: :blushing: :huh: wth??:smokin:
For sure not taking any of this seriously NOW.

212019156

Elliot Hulse is pretty knowledgeable about solid foundation training and bio-mechanics. I remember him saying one time that he is good at helping you build the "cake" while other sites are better for teaching you how to add the "frosting". I think that is a pretty accurate self-assessment. His philosophical soliloquies about life I think are a matter of taste.

The Hodge Twins are "Guy" funny, meaning I could maybe see where some women would find them offensive (I think they are pretty funny). Their training advice is pretty crappy though.

hookilau

Elliot Hulse is pretty knowledgeable about solid foundation training and bio-mechanics. I remember him saying one time that he is good at helping you build the "cake" while other sites are better for teaching you how to add the "frosting". I think that is a pretty accurate self-assessment. His philosophical soliloquies about life I think are a matter of taste.

The Hodge Twins are "Guy" funny, meaning I could maybe see where some women would find them offensive (I think they are pretty funny). Their training advice is pretty crappy though.

lol! yeah hodgetwins scarred me after about 5 min of video :laugh: I wish I could unhear the echoes....feel like I walked into an occupied bathroom without knocking :huh: :laugh: ((skips away))

SideSteel

For starters, he is claiming that through certain training (his), you can transform type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers into "TYPE THREE" fibers. This is quite "sellout"ish of him.

http://www.leanhybridmuscle.com/welcome/index.php?hop=balbohulse#Type-3

Here's his opinion on research, which is laughable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnTpfaBNx

Here he claims that good form is preventing someone from developing the neck and wrist and he encourages bad form so the user can grow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fyPrfN5t1N

All of the above is ridiculous. I spent about 15 minutes on the above, and it would not surprise me to find many more examples like this given that he is capable of making things up to answer a question or get clicks.




Now having said that, I have a bad habit of disregarding someone as being an idiot because they say ridiculous things when the truth is that he may have great information elsewhere that isn't contained in the same locations where he's saying complete nonsense and making up stuff to try to sell people.

baptiste565

I like Elliott. He has a different take on fitness. More of the person as a whole.

ChoiceNotChance

OMG- the Hodge Twins- I couldn't take more than a couple of minutes of them pushing each other out of the way to scream at the camera.

I did like a few of Elliott's form videos, but then, it's hard to tell "fact from fiction".

jlclabo

Elliott is very motivational. he does have some very good information concerning certain areas, especially deadlift form and stretching/mobility work. ill admit i dont watch him nearly as much as i use to, he has gotten out there a bit lately. but overall, if you go back to some of his older stuff its much better.

hookilau

For starters, he is claiming that through certain training (his), you can transform type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers into "TYPE THREE" fibers. This is quite "sellout"ish of him.

http://www.leanhybridmuscle.com/welcome/index.php?hop=balbohulse#Type-3

Here's his opinion on research, which is laughable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnTpfaBNx

Here he claims that good form is preventing someone from developing the neck and wrist and he encourages bad form so the user can grow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fyPrfN5t1N

All of the above is ridiculous. I spent about 15 minutes on the above, and it would not surprise me to find many more examples like this given that he is capable of making things up to answer a question or get clicks.

Now having said that, I have a bad habit of disregarding someone as being an idiot because they say ridiculous things when the truth is that he may have great information elsewhere that isn't contained in the same locations where he's saying complete nonsense and making up stuff to try to sell people.

With the exception of the first link, the other 2 don't have the vid anymore :brokenheart: . I didn't come across anything with him selling anything other than the workout program in the working link so...yeah :ohwell:

I appreciate your input. I'm not looking for a new religion or anything, funny as hell thought :laugh:

SideSteel

For starters, he is claiming that through certain training (his), you can transform type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers into "TYPE THREE" fibers. This is quite "sellout"ish of him.

http://www.leanhybridmuscle.com/welcome/index.php?hop=balbohulse#Type-3

Here's his opinion on research, which is laughable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnTpfaBNx

Here he claims that good form is preventing someone from developing the neck and wrist and he encourages bad form so the user can grow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fyPrfN5t1N

All of the above is ridiculous. I spent about 15 minutes on the above, and it would not surprise me to find many more examples like this given that he is capable of making things up to answer a question or get clicks.

Now having said that, I have a bad habit of disregarding someone as being an idiot because they say ridiculous things when the truth is that he may have great information elsewhere that isn't contained in the same locations where he's saying complete nonsense and making up stuff to try to sell people.

With the exception of the first link, the other 2 don't have the vid anymore :brokenheart: . I didn't come across anything with him selling anything other than the workout program in the working link so...yeah :ohwell:

I appreciate your input. I'm not looking for a new religion or anything, funny as hell thought :laugh:

Try this one, I messed the link up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnTpfaBNxU

whitebalance

Elliott is very motivational. he does have some very good information concerning certain areas, especially deadlift form and stretching/mobility work. ill admit i dont watch him nearly as much as i use to, he has gotten out there a bit lately. but overall, if you go back to some of his older stuff its much better.

Agree re the older stuff and the deadlifts. Some of his vids were just what I needed to process when I was hurt, including some of the motivational stuff. That's all I watched, though; there was way too much defensive drama, hucksterism, and chicks-are-the-enemy for my taste.

hookilau

It's probably me...I still don't see what the issue is.

I mean, he's just a guy right? Offering his opinion on stuff?....why aren't I offended by what he has to say?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when working through something, I find it helpful to hear what the opposing opinion is.

Now I'm not saying I'm on board with all the stuff he says, but it just seems to me he's just shooting the *kitten*.

SideSteel

It's probably me...I still don't see what the issue is.

I mean, he's just a guy right? Offering his opinion on stuff?....why aren't I offended by what he has to say?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when working through something, I find it helpful to hear what the opposing opinion is.

Now I'm not saying I'm on board with all the stuff he says, but it just seems to me he's just shooting the *kitten*.

Typing from my phone:

If this is in regards to the science vid, the issues I take are his claim that science is always changing and that because funding bias exists, he disregards research entirely. Funding biases do exist but that alone doesn't mean that:
A) said piece of research is invalid
Or
all research is useless

The idea that science is always changing and therefore it's useless is also something I disagree with. Research gives you information. You can look at this information in a collective fashion and see which direction the research points to. When new research surfaces that challenges previous beliefs then you add this to the available data and reevaluate, or perhaps this leads to new questions or new methods.

Regarding the sales thing, I don't take any issue with selling programs. I take issue with claiming that your program creates hybrid fiber types much in the same way that I'd take issue with someone claiming that broccoli burns fat and using that claim to peddle their broccoli. Even though I think broccoli is a fine food and I wouldn't doubt if Elliot has a good program.

Finally, I don't think you're being argumentative. I'm not offended at Elliot or you or this discussion. You asked me my opinion and why, and I gave you good examples of misinformation.

And I do think there's value in an opposing view, but for example if my "opinion" is that you should overeat and stop moving to build muscle and lose fat, I expect my opinion to be challenged.

engian

The OP's question prompted me to take a look at Elliot's videos for the first time. I picked one in which he talks (rants?) about how dead lifts and squats don't build core strength. He lost me a couple of times in the logic of his arguments, and I don't agree with his overall argument. Dead lifts and squats - performed right - sure do build core strength.

I agree with your view of scientific research SS. I watched his video on that too.

I think I've seen enough. No thanks.

Elia

Rayman79

I subbed to his channel a long time ago. A lot of the specific workout tips he would give were useful and entertaining - and not commercially driven. My how that has changed! Now everything he does is geared toward his commercial interests and new found (or newly expressed) hippie tendencies.

If you are looking for some quality information on YT, I'd suggest the following:

Jonnie Candito
Omar Isuf
Jason Blaha (if you can put up with the surly attitude)
Suneet Sebastian (smaller channel but great info on there)
Broscience life (cos THE funniest stuff on youtube!)

SideSteel

I subbed to his channel a long time ago. A lot of the specific workout tips he would give were useful and entertaining - and not commercially driven. My how that has changed! Now everything he does is geared toward his commercial interests and new found (or newly expressed) hippie tendencies.

If you are looking for some quality information on YT, I'd suggest the following:

Jonnie Candito
Omar Isuf
Jason Blaha (if you can put up with the surly attitude)
Suneet Sebastian (smaller channel but great info on there)
Broscience life (cos THE funniest stuff on youtube!)

I like most of the above but I'd slap team 3DMJ on that list, at the top

Rayman79

I subbed to his channel a long time ago. A lot of the specific workout tips he would give were useful and entertaining - and not commercially driven. My how that has changed! Now everything he does is geared toward his commercial interests and new found (or newly expressed) hippie tendencies.

If you are looking for some quality information on YT, I'd suggest the following:

Jonnie Candito
Omar Isuf
Jason Blaha (if you can put up with the surly attitude)
Suneet Sebastian (smaller channel but great info on there)
Broscience life (cos THE funniest stuff on youtube!)

I like most of the above but I'd slap team 3DMJ on that list, at the top

Oh crap, I forgot Sir Helms! It must have slipped off my radar because of all Brad's vlogs lately :laugh:

tedrickp

Yeah that's a good list. It's funny when I first started watching YouTube channels it was Scooby/Hodge Twins - not big into research. Both of them helped me at first, but as I learned more there was plenty I didn't agree with.

Then I found Ian McCarthy and Blaha - and while I loved their evidence backed info - I find both of their personalities to be horrrrrrible. It was literally a chore to sit through the videos and gather their information.

Now though (thankfully) - there are sooo many great channels out there that have awesome advice AND interesting personalities...

Team3DJ
Omar Isuf
Johnny Candito
Sebastian

Were all mentioned, and get a huge co-sign from me.

But also...

Campbell Fitness
Chelsea Lifts (swooooooooon btw)
Daniel John
Lobliner (obv he sells plenty of things LOL)

There are even a few more lesser known channels with great content.

hookilau

Again, I appreciate all the input and will agree on many of the points listed. He's like a lot of people I know, kind of unfocused about stuff, harbors distrust of formal education, large companies, commercialism, etc.

Admittedly, I started binge watching his videos. choosing the ones with the kookiest titles...he's out there for sure :laugh: and I am for SURE unaware of what is recent vs what was older, with the exception of the 2009 videos where he was all about Strongman stuff, kinda looks like a power lifter & on steroids.

My take on him is that he's a searcher....and still searching. To me, that means he's just so dynamic in his approach to things that he never really settles on a POV, except the final one, which is almost out of frustration, distrust. Not to put too fine a point on things, however, his rants (and really, that's most accurately what they can be described as) about science, I interpreted to mean that he was disillusioned with the blanket information dispensed and now he doesn't believe in *any* of it. When one gets fed up enough, out the baby goes with the bath water.

Looking at all those videos, brought me back to the Hodgetwins...so I show my husband the video. (the one where someone asked them if they were black)
Useless. He was so busy laughing, he couldn't string a sentence together & couldn't take his eyes off the screen =P
At that point I decided to let man be man & woman be woman :smokin:

Men are such fascinating creatures :blushing:

I don't know what's wrong with me lately. For the LONGEST time, I had no patience for this sort of silliness but I'm discovering a new found respect for YouTubers.

Can't wait to check out the list you all suggested....my husband, an old power lifter from Queens thinks Rippetoe is a jerk. I couldn't pull him back to reality after the Hodgetwins to find out why exactly. Mainly because when he first expressed this opinion, my Ipod was jacked all the way up & I was only interested in keeping clear of anyone else's barbell & trying to figure out how to gracefully strip 45# plates from a tight spot.

SideSteel

I like Rippetoe although I can see where someone would get that opinion of him. I don't agree with some of his recent articles but he has some excellent material.

Hodge Twins are hit or miss for me as far as information goes but I watch them for entertainment. I find them hysterical and I really enjoy watching their vids just for entertainment.

FromHereOnOut

I love Elliott. I mostly just love his attitude and am more in it for his vibe/personality and the practical tips, not the technical (although alot of his technical stuff is good too, when put through your own filter of experience/study). I think he's great. He's good for getting you really pumped up about making changes and making improvements and the practical application.

I also really like Johnny Candito and Omar.

bostonwolf

I think this is fair. I enjoy his talks about having the proper attitude, why certain lifts are good for you and how to do them properly, etc.

When he gets into the stuff you mention below I generally just skip it.

I figure it's just like watching Fox or CNN for your news. After a while you know their biases, so I just filter it out and take the information

For starters, he is claiming that through certain training (his), you can transform type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers into "TYPE THREE" fibers. This is quite "sellout"ish of him.

http://www.leanhybridmuscle.com/welcome/index.php?hop=balbohulse#Type-3

Here's his opinion on research, which is laughable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPnTpfaBNx

Here he claims that good form is preventing someone from developing the neck and wrist and he encourages bad form so the user can grow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fyPrfN5t1N

All of the above is ridiculous. I spent about 15 minutes on the above, and it would not surprise me to find many more examples like this given that he is capable of making things up to answer a question or get clicks.




Now having said that, I have a bad habit of disregarding someone as being an idiot because they say ridiculous things when the truth is that he may have great information elsewhere that isn't contained in the same locations where he's saying complete nonsense and making up stuff to try to sell people.

bostonwolf

I like Rippetoe although I can see where someone would get that opinion of him. I don't agree with some of his recent articles but he has some excellent material.

Hodge Twins are hit or miss for me as far as information goes but I watch them for entertainment. I find them hysterical and I really enjoy watching their vids just for entertainment.

Ripptoe IS a jerk, but he has as much lifting knowledge in his pinkie as I do in my whole body, so I'll listen to whatever he has to say.