More on "Great Job" - in the real world!
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So the consensus seems to be that just about any encouragement, any time will be taken positively by most runners. Glad to hear my suspicions confirmed! I just need to come up with a few more synonyms for "good job" -- that gets old after a while!
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You must thank all the volunteers because without them there would be NO event. I see so many people who don't say anything to them. Augh! #raceemployeepetpeeve
Must? Seriously? If your out there for "thank you's", then you are out there for the wrong reason.
When I am racing and I don't say "thank you" when I grab a cup of water when I blow by you a mile 22 of a marathon, it's not because I'm a rude *kitten*, it's because it's everything I can do to keep running.
I lack of acknowledgement does not mean a lack of appreciation.
I agree. It's nice to be thanked, and I thank everyone because I am not at that point yet, but I do get the "race mode" zone out as well.0 -
Not everyone grows up to be an Astronaut. Not everyone can be the fastest at a race and not everyone will be the last to cross the proverbial finish line.
I guess since I don't consider myself an elite runner, I would never think that if someone said "Keep Up the Good Work" it was meant to belittle.
I suppose if I was competing at that stage I would but normally I'm "in the zone" and just trying to focus on getting my energy gel out without dropping it.0 -
You must thank all the volunteers because without them there would be NO event. I see so many people who don't say anything to them. Augh! #raceemployeepetpeeve
Must? Seriously? If your out there for "thank you's", then you are out there for the wrong reason.
When I am racing and I don't say "thank you" when I grab a cup of water when I blow by you a mile 22 of a marathon, it's not because I'm a rude *kitten*, it's because it's everything I can do to keep running.
I lack of acknowledgement does not mean a lack of appreciation.
I used to feel this way.. Recently, I started thanking or making funny comments to people at races.
Yes, you are paying for the race.
Yes, these people are voulenteers
BUT- what I've realized is that it means a lot to them to be acknoledged... Especially by the front runners. These people literally get cups of water thrown back at them & yelled at by runners all day.
I like to make their day with a simple "thanks" or gun to the head motion. Or "boy it's lonely up here".. Or "this is gonna be a long day for you". They are probably bored as *kitten* standing there.
At any race where they offer water stops that I use (over 10k), I think I can muster up a few words no matter how crappy I feel
It's funny that my comment got a heated response. I apologize if the word "must" offended people. I personally feel compelled to thank as many volunteers as I can that I come across during an event. Not because when I volunteer I expect it but because I have run races that were poorly organized which almost always means they didn't have enough volunteers. The volunteers in my opinion are equally if not more important than the runners I don't care if you're an elite athlete or a walker. They are the reason that I am able to run and I think they deserve the thanks. Whatever that means to you. Smile, nod your head, wave and yes often times take a 2 second hit to the PR and say thank you sometimes.0 -
You must thank all the volunteers because without them there would be NO event. I see so many people who don't say anything to them. Augh! #raceemployeepetpeeve
Must? Seriously? If your out there for "thank you's", then you are out there for the wrong reason.
When I am racing and I don't say "thank you" when I grab a cup of water when I blow by you a mile 22 of a marathon, it's not because I'm a rude *kitten*, it's because it's everything I can do to keep running.
I lack of acknowledgement does not mean a lack of appreciation.
I was thinking thie same thing. I usually don't stop at the first set of aid stations in a race. At my half, the first one I stopped at was maybe mile 9. By then I was barely able to move my legs let alone say anthing. I will nod at these apeople in appreciation but that is all I can barely do.
HOWEVER, at the end, after I walked it out and I am grabbing my free banana and free chocolate milk, or free Dominos I will thank EVERYBODY. But by then, I can breath and talk again.0 -
sort of off topic, but funny, because just today my sister and I had just finished our run over lunch. I can say it was a sweaty warm run. We were walking back to the gym and some random lady holding a phone to her ear and all dressed up walked passed us and looked right at us and said "Good job". I remember thinking for a second how random, but then it made me smile. I did do a Great Job I got off my *kitten* and went for a run over lunch
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In a trail race, everyone says good job or some form of encouragement when passing. In a road race, I always think it's funny when people say, "looking strong" when you know you're slogging along at a snails pace at the end of a marathon. But by and large, I think people are just being encouraging. And I appreciate it.0
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It makes me sad that people take things said in what I assume to be an encouraging spirit, as belittling. I think that speaks more to their insecurity than the person doing the encouraging. Most the time that's simply what reactions are, right? Reflections of things we believe to be true?
I guess I'm one of those annoying runners who wants to wave or nod or at least acknowledge other runners that I pass, whether at home runnin' 'round the 'hood or when I'm traveling or at a race. I love the camaraderie of runners and it's one of the things I find most unique about the running community. There are so many times when a kind word from a stranger, when I'm struggling on a run, has lifted me and given me a second wind.
Recently, while I was in Las Vegas for work, I got some runs in early in the morning. One of those mornings, a total random (and adorable) guy who was running WAY WAY faster than me, came up from behind me, but slowed long enough to give me a little fist bump before taking off and blazing through the rest of his run. It made my day.0 -
It makes me sad that people take things said in what I assume to be an encouraging spirit, as belittling. I think that speaks more to their insecurity than the person doing the encouraging. Most the time that's simply what reactions are, right? Reflections of things we believe to be true?
I guess I'm one of those annoying runners who wants to wave or nod or at least acknowledge other runners that I pass, whether at home runnin' 'round the 'hood or when I'm traveling or at a race. I love the camaraderie of runners and it's one of the things I find most unique about the running community. There are so many times when a kind word from a stranger, when I'm struggling on a run, has lifted me and given me a second wind.
Recently, while I was in Las Vegas for work, I got some runs in early in the morning. One of those mornings, a total random (and adorable) guy who was running WAY WAY faster than me, came up from behind me, but slowed long enough to give me a little fist bump before taking off and blazing through the rest of his run. It made my day.
I would walk on air for the rest of the day, even though I know that it just means that the endorphins hit for him right there.0 -
You must thank all the volunteers because without them there would be NO event. I see so many people who don't say anything to them. Augh! #raceemployeepetpeeve
Must? Seriously? If your out there for "thank you's", then you are out there for the wrong reason.
When I am racing and I don't say "thank you" when I grab a cup of water when I blow by you a mile 22 of a marathon, it's not because I'm a rude *kitten*, it's because it's everything I can do to keep running.
I lack of acknowledgement does not mean a lack of appreciation.
I used to feel this way.. Recently, I started thanking or making funny comments to people at races.
Yes, you are paying for the race.
Yes, these people are voulenteers
BUT- what I've realized is that it means a lot to them to be acknoledged... Especially by the front runners. These people literally get cups of water thrown back at them & yelled at by runners all day.
I like to make their day with a simple "thanks" or gun to the head motion. Or "boy it's lonely up here".. Or "this is gonna be a long day for you". They are probably bored as *kitten* standing there.
At any race where they offer water stops that I use (over 10k), I think I can muster up a few words no matter how crappy I feel
It's funny that my comment got a heated response. I apologize if the word "must" offended people. I personally feel compelled to thank as many volunteers as I can that I come across during an event. Not because when I volunteer I expect it but because I have run races that were poorly organized which almost always means they didn't have enough volunteers. The volunteers in my opinion are equally if not more important than the runners I don't care if you're an elite athlete or a walker. They are the reason that I am able to run and I think they deserve the thanks. Whatever that means to you. Smile, nod your head, wave and yes often times take a 2 second hit to the PR and say thank you sometimes.
I beg your forgiveness. The tone of my comment was a bit harsh.0 -
It makes me sad that people take things said in what I assume to be an encouraging spirit, as belittling. I think that speaks more to their insecurity than the person doing the encouraging. Most the time that's simply what reactions are, right? Reflections of things we believe to be true?
I guess I'm one of those annoying runners who wants to wave or nod or at least acknowledge other runners that I pass, whether at home runnin' 'round the 'hood or when I'm traveling or at a race. I love the camaraderie of runners and it's one of the things I find most unique about the running community. There are so many times when a kind word from a stranger, when I'm struggling on a run, has lifted me and given me a second wind.
Recently, while I was in Las Vegas for work, I got some runs in early in the morning. One of those mornings, a total random (and adorable) guy who was running WAY WAY faster than me, came up from behind me, but slowed long enough to give me a little fist bump before taking off and blazing through the rest of his run. It made my day.
I would walk on air for the rest of the day, even though I know that it just means that the endorphins hit for him right there.
It was pretty awesome. Then I got to watch him run away from me in perfect form, at least until he disappeared into the horizon anyway.0 -
It was pretty awesome. Then I got to watch him run away from me in perfect form, at least until he disappeared into the horizon anyway.
Anthony Famiglietti lives in our town -- he was on the US Olympic Team in 2004 and 2008 in steeplechase and is still wicked fast. He can finish a 5k in under 14 minutes, but he still takes the time to give pointers to regular runners before and after the race, and always says "hi" or "good job" when he blazes by you during a workout.0 -
I only ever say hello or good morning or the like ; I feel too shy to compliment anyone besides a friendly hello. In races , I don't think I've ever said much, i do say thanks when I grab a cup.0
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I always feel very uncomfortable passing someone who is clearly struggling or very slow or walking during Ragnar relays, because everyone is spread pretty thin, and there is no relationship between running ability and where you are in the pack, so it's usually me, that person, and the road or trail. I get nervous and stumble over myself not wanting to make the person feel bad, but it almost always comes out wrong. The one that will tear at my heart for life is when I said, "nice run, runner!" to a woman who was walking. I think I may try the lovely suggestion of "good morning!" or "pretty dark out here, huh?" next time. :laugh:
Workouts seem pretty different, because you have no idea what distance or effort the person is doing. I just use a "good morning" or "hi" when bikers come by or on the rare occasion that I pass another runner (usually going in the other direction).0 -
I am late to the party. I always took "great job" or "you're looking great" as encouraging. I never thought of it be snarky.
On just day to day runs I will wave, smile or say hi to other runners and that's it. Sometimes I don't at all because I am not in the mood.0 -
I'm not offended at all when someone says that to me. I find it to give me a boost for the exact reasons you said. "Hey somebody noticed I'm putting in a great effort! I may not be in the same condition as them (They're faster than me) but they were able to recognize the effort I am putting forth in my run. Perhaps I have a little more to give even!"
Some people are overly sensitive about things such as this. To each their own, but it'd be a better world if people would check their initial feelings and look into the reasoning behind what is said (Was the intent with malice or not? If you don't know, then don't worry about it or just assume the best, you'll be happier..).0 -
You know what? Life's too short to worry about this. If they complement me, I take it as such. What benefit is there in doing otherwise? Somedays I'm the one who is in shape and finding it easy. Others I can use all of the encouragement I can get. Whatever! If I'm running, I'm there! I'm not competing against you!
Granted yes, I might use another person's pace to push me, but that's neither a complement nor an insult! Moving on.0 -
You know what? Life's too short to worry about this. If they complement me, I take it as such. What benefit is there in doing otherwise? Somedays I'm the one who is in shape and finding it easy. Others I can use all of the encouragement I can get. Whatever! If I'm running, I'm there! I'm not competing against you!
Granted yes, I might use another person's pace to push me, but that's neither a complement nor an insult! Moving on.
What I'm more concerned about is if I'm the one doing the complimenting / supporting. Just want to make sure that any support I offer is actually taken as such.0 -
Ok, actually, I DO take a little offense to the faster runners saying stuff to me as the pass me like "doing good" or "keep going". I ALSO take full responsibility for my feelings and know that they in NO WAY mean "it's a miracle you can even run a mile you fat *kitten*! You CAN finish this 5K without kicking the bucket if you REALLY try!" My own insecurities are the reason I take offense (although I always smile and give a thumbs up to whoever spoke to me- they would have no idea that I actually just projected a lifetime of self- esteem issues on to their comment! ) I feel stupid even admitting those comments meant to be encouraging and cohesive make me feel small, but just thought I would add my two cents!0
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Ok, actually, I DO take a little offense to the faster runners saying stuff to me as the pass me like "doing good" or "keep going". I ALSO take full responsibility for my feelings and know that they in NO WAY mean "it's a miracle you can even run a mile you fat *kitten*! You CAN finish this 5K without kicking the bucket if you REALLY try!" My own insecurities are the reason I take offense (although I always smile and give a thumbs up to whoever spoke to me- they would have no idea that I actually just projected a lifetime of self- esteem issues on to their comment! ) I feel stupid even admitting those comments meant to be encouraging and cohesive make me feel small, but just thought I would add my two cents!
I don't know you but I love you.
That was my first few months of Couch to 5k. That's when I *learned* to take honks and hoots positively.
Have you done a half yet? There's something about a half that negates any amount of suckage from any runs afterwards. You might be total crap as a runner, but you ran for 13.1 miles and that's something.0 -
Ok, actually, I DO take a little offense to the faster runners saying stuff to me as the pass me like "doing good" or "keep going". I ALSO take full responsibility for my feelings and know that they in NO WAY mean "it's a miracle you can even run a mile you fat *kitten*! You CAN finish this 5K without kicking the bucket if you REALLY try!" My own insecurities are the reason I take offense (although I always smile and give a thumbs up to whoever spoke to me- they would have no idea that I actually just projected a lifetime of self- esteem issues on to their comment! ) I feel stupid even admitting those comments meant to be encouraging and cohesive make me feel small, but just thought I would add my two cents!
I don't know you but I love you.
That was my first few months of Couch to 5k. That's when I *learned* to take honks and hoots positively.
Have you done a half yet? There's something about a half that negates any amount of suckage from any runs afterwards. You might be total crap as a runner, but you ran for 13.1 miles and that's something.
I'm registered for my first half the end of July! I'm up to a 12 mile long run too! So yes, remembering that I CAN actually run fairly extraordinary distances (to non-runners) is important! I'm just so new to running and pretty insecure about it. Mostly just because my body does not look like a "runners body" so I ASSUME (which we all know what that does!) that people that comment to me assume that I am completely un-athletic and this is the first time I've ever ventured outside. But that is SO STUPID. Really, who cares? Nobody. just me being silly! Encourage away! It will help me come to terms with my issues!! BTW, I love you too! :flowerforyou:0 -
After inciting a blistering flame war in the general forums on whether it's sometimes insensitive to say "great job" about a workout, I've returned to the relative safety of the Long Distance Runners forum to ask a real world question:
If you are running along in a race or workout and someone comes blazing past you at a much faster pace, is it cool or rude if they tell you "great job!"
I tend to think it is cool, like "wow, that fast guy thought enough to say something to a fellow runner."
But maybe it's meant more as a subtle dis, as in "well, obviously you'll never be as good as me, but good for you for trying."
What do you think, Long Distance Runners?
Honestly, it would make me smile. The compliments I receive when I run just make me feel good. To me, it's cool.0 -
I would take anything like "great job" or "good going" positively.
But I wouldn't try to make jokes or be real creative. From time to time, I've misinterpreted a joke as an invitation to engage in some friendly trash-talking. I LOVE talking trash, but it's not too common among runners. So I'll jump at the opportunity. Ah, but on occasion, I've been wrong.0 -
I think there are really two issues: (1) do you feel like it's an insult when a faster runner encourages you, which I think most people can admit that they know other runners mean well, but the more important issue is (2) do you feel motivated or encouraged when a faster runner says something to you? What feels better, having someone blow by you and not say anything, or having someone throw out a kind comment? If my comments aren't actually helping, I don't want to make them.
I feel pretty certain that any negative feelings I get are just inherent to being passed, not related to any comment the person makes. I think I would most appreciate a smile and a non-run related comment, like "hi" or "beautiful morning." There is definitely a sense of "good job" - FOR YOU, when someone speedier passes. Clearly, it would not be a good job for the speedier person. :laugh:
Because honestly - they have no idea whether I'm having a "good run" or doing a "good job". :laugh: I could be dialing it in, or maybe I really undertrained, or whatever. It could be a typical age-group winner walking as you speed past.0 -
I do appreciate the encouragement, and I need it
:flowerforyou: since I am in a slow phase right now, it is low risk that I will offend anyone :laugh: but when I do, I'll try to return the favor while being careful to spot the people who does not need it. 
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What feels better, having someone blow by you and not say anything, or having someone throw out a kind comment?
Great point! just this morning I had someone pass me on the road and didn't smile or say anything and I like that WAY less than I like a "good job!" I suppose I would prefer someone to make a non-performance related comment like "good morning" or "great day for a run", etc.0 -
What I also think we can all agree on is that it is nasty and rude when a faster runner tallies you as a kill. :laugh: I'm preparing to be kill counted this weekend at Ragnar. Do not enjoy.
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Runners who compliment other runners (faster runners in the hypothetical)--or try to be positive--always mean well, right? Don't we have to assume that to be on the safe side and to avoid a LOT of confusion? Yes!
So that leaves your other three options with the blazing runner passing you:
1) chase the faster runner. FARTLEK! or
2) challenge the other runner to race then (or later) or
3) let the faster runner get the boost of self-esteem by speeding by you that day (but not the next one!;) Yes, sometimes we runners let other runners "win" even when we have the capacity to run faster and possibly challenge the apparently-faster runner.
Not every run is a race. Not every race is winnable. But every run is worthwhile despite who passes you on the trails. That means even your kids!0 -
I'm honestly hoping that some fellow runners will offer me some encouraging words this Sunday.
I won't have anybody along the course route to personally cheer for me - I'm just going to ride on the coat tails of others and absorb the support that is out there for them. :-)
I actually started to worry today that what if I don't have anybody waiting for me at the finish line either? Will a course volunteer hug me and hold me and tell me I did a great job...please?0 -
My personal favorite is the high five. Usually this can only be done if you coming from opposite directions but if you're doing an out and back race or loops then there is opportunity. No words needed, just high five. It's the ultimate boost.0
