Shaking my head in disbelief
LeenaGee
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Last night on our local news there was a warning from experts against the Paleo diet trend. The video showed an amazing range of healthy foods like salmon, chicken, meat and an awesome range of colourful vegetables and fruits but said people are missing out on valuable fibre from grains and cereal and then proceeded to show processed cereal being rolled off a factory production line.
So I am still shaking my head in disbelief. How healthy would everyone be if they ate the first range of food. I think the second range of processed food is the one that produces the big bucks.
So I am still shaking my head in disbelief. How healthy would everyone be if they ate the first range of food. I think the second range of processed food is the one that produces the big bucks.
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Even my own wife is skeptical about dropping grains, says it is a whole food group. It is an easy brain washing process just keep repeating nonsense and people will believe it's a fact.0
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I agree....it is brainwashing. I am shaking my head, too, now. I love Paleo; it saved my life.
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I think because it is such a tasty and convenient food range most people are unwilling to drop it from their diets and so do not want to hear how unhealthy a diet of these foods can be. For a lot of people it makes up 90% of their daily intake. Cereal for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and pasta for dinner. That is an enormous amount of lifestyle to change.
I have no problem dropping rice or pasta and only eat it socially. Still love the smell of toast and haven't found a gluten free bread that is not just another version of processed food with a gluten free sticker on it. I try to stay clear of the processed Gluten Free range as some of the sauces etc are absolute rubbish.
What bread do you guys recommend? Sometimes when everyone else is having toast it would be good to have some on hand.0 -
I think because it is such a tasty and convenient food range most people are unwilling to drop it from their diets and so do not want to hear how unhealthy a diet of these foods can be. For a lot of people it makes up 90% of their daily intake. Cereal for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and pasta for dinner. That is an enormous amount of lifestyle to change.
I have no problem dropping rice or pasta and only eat it socially. Still love the smell of toast and haven't found a gluten free bread that is not just another version of processed food with a gluten free sticker on it. I try to stay clear of the processed Gluten Free range as some of the sauces etc are absolute rubbish.
What bread do you guys recommend? Sometimes when everyone else is having toast it would be good to have some on hand.
I bake a tasty loaf made with almond flour, coconut flour, etc. It makes great toast and sandwiches. I also found a burger bun recipe --- That was so wonderful to eat a burger with too hands again! As for buying, I know I've seen different ones advertised on line.0 -
Wow, that video speaks to how well people are brainwashed and unable to critically think anymore, and the establishment knows it. Can anything be more obvious that foods out of factories MUST be less nutritious? The natural vitamins are stripped and synthetic vitamins added back; say what?
People think 'Food Groups' are a real thing. Not. There are only carbohydrates, protein, fat and micronutrients. Seriously, we do not need a "processed foods" Food Group. How many people eat whole grains? How many people eat them the way humans originally ate them - sprouted and fermented? Not to mention that today's grains bear little resemblance to what our ancestors were eating.
If I had to recommend a bread, I would only suggest homemade sourdough rye. Everything that is processed is a crapshoot. Labels are notoriously misleading, and many terrible ingredients can legally be listed as just "natural flavour". I don't really relate to needing bread because others are eating it. But one can also make thin meat patties, spread butter on them, eat like toast.0 -
I think because it is such a tasty and convenient food range most people are unwilling to drop it from their diets and so do not want to hear how unhealthy a diet of these foods can be. For a lot of people it makes up 90% of their daily intake. Cereal for breakfast, sandwich for lunch and pasta for dinner. That is an enormous amount of lifestyle to change.
I have no problem dropping rice or pasta and only eat it socially. Still love the smell of toast and haven't found a gluten free bread that is not just another version of processed food with a gluten free sticker on it. I try to stay clear of the processed Gluten Free range as some of the sauces etc are absolute rubbish.
What bread do you guys recommend? Sometimes when everyone else is having toast it would be good to have some on hand.
I bake a tasty loaf made with almond flour, coconut flour, etc. It makes great toast and sandwiches. I also found a burger bun recipe --- That was so wonderful to eat a burger with too hands again! As for buying, I know I've seen different ones advertised on line.
Pfft, I just slapped mayo (homemade!) and cheddar cheese (Primal) on my burgers last night and ate them like burgers. Tomato slices (meaty tomatoes, ideally) or a hearty lettuce make good buns, too.
I generally get Udi's bread, but it's largely only for meatloaf until we find a replacement (which we may have, with pork rinds). My son will use them very occasionally for a burger or nut butter sandwich, or grilled cheese, but he's generally just as happy to eat either of the first two with a fork or spoon (still working on the third, but it's a once in a great while treat). I end up having to keep the loaf in the freezer, otherwise we don't go through it fast enough (that's how little we use it).
We don't even own a toaster anymore, so the toast thing is a nonissue in my house. Personally, I'd rather have something like sweet potato pancakes or some such, anymore, anyway.0 -
Even my own wife is skeptical about dropping grains, says it is a whole food group. It is an easy brain washing process just keep repeating nonsense and people will believe it's a fact.
What I want to know is why people think dropping grains (a whole food group!) is insane and SO bad for you, but dropping meat (also an entire food group!) is completely normal and sometimes admirable, even if it isn't done for ethical reasons. If people want to be vegetarians, I don't give a hoot, but I just don't get why people see the two things as totally different.0 -
To repeat professor Tim Noakes: there is no scientific evidence that humans needs to eat grains.
I think that when people hear the word Paleo they automatically think everything is wrong with it... it has gotten such a bad wrap that people ignore that the concept is that you are eating *real* *whole* foods, not Franken-foods. Kinda like the problem with fat is that it's called fat! Now go eat some fat!0 -
Even my own wife is skeptical about dropping grains, says it is a whole food group. It is an easy brain washing process just keep repeating nonsense and people will believe it's a fact.
What I want to know is why people think dropping grains (a whole food group!) is insane and SO bad for you, but dropping meat (also an entire food group!) is completely normal and sometimes admirable, even if it isn't done for ethical reasons. If people want to be vegetarians, I don't give a hoot, but I just don't get why people see the two things as totally different.
I've come to the conclusion that veg*nism is a sort of "sacred cow" that is more taboo to question than to follow. In part, because it's always hard to tell whether someone is doing it for ethical reasons. And heaven forbid you suggest an alternative way to follow one's ethics (or, if they just think death itself is unethical, you're just screwed).
Also, heaven forbid you ever point out that Paleo really isn't that much different from whole foods veg*n. That will get you lynched, because how dare you equate Paleo (with all its crude, dead-animal loving ways) with the sacredness that is Veg*n (apparently, Paleo people don't care about ethics, according to the veg*ns that responded the one time I opened that can of worms...).
That said, for the most part, I think people think that we're vegetarian-leaning omnivores, instead of either carnivore-leaning or true opportunists. On that front, it's less taboo to drop meat than it is to drop grains. Then you have the whole "we've been agrarian for ten thousand years" thing, and really, time frames longer than a few thousand are quite hard to fathom.
Regarding time frames, consider this -- when you think about BC times, what do most people think about? Most people probably forget that such advanced civilizations as Egypt, the Persian Empire, Sparta were BC-era (as opposed to early AD/CE), as was the Bronze Age for a full 3000 years BC. Let alone the fact that the Neolithic Stone Age still saw humans pretty much the same as we are now, and the fact that people in this age were farmers and no "cave men" (or the fact that "Stone Age" actually also refers to the first half of the Neolithic Era).0 -
No doubt about it, Paleo definitely generates interesting discussions. I just don't get why everyone is so against healthy basic eating. Mention giving up sugar and grains in the general forum and anyone thinks you have lost your mind.
Talking about giving up sugar - I have just had a sugar filled day and now I feel absolutely awful. Headachy and yuck.
Memo to me - DON'T DO IT AGAIN!!0 -
No doubt about it, Paleo definitely generates interesting discussions. I just don't get why everyone is so against healthy basic eating. Mention giving up sugar and grains in the general forum and anyone thinks you have lost your mind.
Talking about giving up sugar - I have just had a sugar filled day and now I feel absolutely awful. Headachy and yuck.
Memo to me - DON'T DO IT AGAIN!!
I've chalked it up to the addictive nature of grains and sugar, and the fact that most people have been brainwashed to think that such things can't possibly be addictive. Again, heaven forbid you bring that idea up, because apparently, only hard drugs can be addictive, because their withdrawal symptoms could actually kill you (yeah, had something to that effect said to me). Tell that to anyone who's gotten bad withdrawal from trying to give it up (just as my husband, who looks and feels like death warmed over if he goes more than a couple of days without grains/carbs; he gets it bad).
A friend also suspects it's basically the result of malnourished brains. Given the amount of foaming at the mouth I've seen in response to mentioning anything remotely Paleo, I'm inclined to believe.0 -
It's odd, isn't it? And yet if someone says "I hate all vegetables", no one bats an eye. Totally acceptable.0
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To repeat professor Tim Noakes: there is no scientific evidence that humans needs to eat grains.
I think that when people hear the word Paleo they automatically think everything is wrong with it... it has gotten such a bad wrap that people ignore that the concept is that you are eating *real* *whole* foods, not Franken-foods. Kinda like the problem with fat is that it's called fat! Now go eat some fat!
It has always been my belief that the name "Paleo" is a huge detriment. It is scientifically inaccurate and gives people the idea that the science behind it is dubious.0 -
It's odd, isn't it? And yet if someone says "I hate all vegetables", no one bats an eye. Totally acceptable.
exactly this..I know so many people that don't eat vegetables!!0 -
Funny how people will say fried stuff is bad but will eat bread and oiled dressing on a salad. Same thing right?0
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"I've chalked it up to the addictive nature of grains and sugar, and the fact that most people have been brainwashed to think that such things can't possibly be addictive".
You are absolutely right Dragonwolf, honestly once I started eating cake for a fundraiser for morning tea, goodies for a colleague leaving work for afternoon tea, it was like a monster took over my self control. Snacked all evening on rubbish but I am not going to beat myself over it. I started the day with a glass of water and will continue to eat fresh food today. I really want to get rid of this hazy, headachy hungover feeling.0 -
So weird how other elimination diets are seen as quirky or even honorable, while this is all craaazy-head.0
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So weird how other elimination diets are seen as quirky or even honorable, while this is all craaazy-head.
I can't help wondering if the "establishment" or "big business" are concerned because the processing business would suffer once people went back to basics and ate real food again.0 -
We have a big well know chef here in Australia that's advocating the paleo diet and he is getting a lot of backlash for it here. It crazy. Im also currently studying nutrition and one of the questions we had was what is bad carbohydrate source? my answer soft drink, cakes, biscuits etc I was told that was incorrect because they are needed in a healthy diet and have their place and should never be eliminated. Are you kidding me?0
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It's odd, isn't it? And yet if someone says "I hate all vegetables", no one bats an eye. Totally acceptable.
exactly this..I know so many people that don't eat vegetables!!
I know many VEGETARIANS that don't eat vegetables.
They're healthy though! Especially since they don't eat meat and "all those fatty foods" :yawn:0 -
TOTALLY POLITICAL!!
Please support your local farmers and support them whenever you can!!!!:flowerforyou:0 -
Don't even get me started on how this interplays with the sickness of our nation and Medicare/Medicaid/Disability that the government complains about paying for and what a state we are in!!
When they are the ones that are causing it. Please!0 -
And the farm subsidies, and the now totally corporate nature of big agra."I've chalked it up to the addictive nature of grains and sugar, and the fact that most people have been brainwashed to think that such things can't possibly be addictive".
You are absolutely right Dragonwolf, honestly once I started eating cake for a fundraiser for morning tea, goodies for a colleague leaving work for afternoon tea, it was like a monster took over my self control. Snacked all evening on rubbish but I am not going to beat myself over it. I started the day with a glass of water and will continue to eat fresh food today. I really want to get rid of this hazy, headachy hungover feeling.0 -
Arthur agatston (South Beach) has talked a lot about childhood obesity and concomitant malnourishment in American children. He says doctors are beginning to see scurvy in fat kids.No doubt about it, Paleo definitely generates interesting discussions. I just don't get why everyone is so against healthy basic eating. Mention giving up sugar and grains in the general forum and anyone thinks you have lost your mind.
Talking about giving up sugar - I have just had a sugar filled day and now I feel absolutely awful. Headachy and yuck.
Memo to me - DON'T DO IT AGAIN!!
I've chalked it up to the addictive nature of grains and sugar, and the fact that most people have been brainwashed to think that such things can't possibly be addictive. Again, heaven forbid you bring that idea up, because apparently, only hard drugs can be addictive, because their withdrawal symptoms could actually kill you (yeah, had something to that effect said to me). Tell that to anyone who's gotten bad withdrawal from trying to give it up (just as my husband, who looks and feels like death warmed over if he goes more than a couple of days without grains/carbs; he gets it bad).
A friend also suspects it's basically the result of malnourished brains. Given the amount of foaming at the mouth I've seen in response to mentioning anything remotely Paleo, I'm inclined to believe.0 -
wtf? What was the "correct" answer?We have a big well know chef here in Australia that's advocating the paleo diet and he is getting a lot of backlash for it here. It crazy. Im also currently studying nutrition and one of the questions we had was what is bad carbohydrate source? my answer soft drink, cakes, biscuits etc I was told that was incorrect because they are needed in a healthy diet and have their place and should never be eliminated. Are you kidding me?0 -
wtf? What was the "correct" answer?We have a big well know chef here in Australia that's advocating the paleo diet and he is getting a lot of backlash for it here. It crazy. Im also currently studying nutrition and one of the questions we had was what is bad carbohydrate source? my answer soft drink, cakes, biscuits etc I was told that was incorrect because they are needed in a healthy diet and have their place and should never be eliminated. Are you kidding me?
Not sure. I wasn't told what the right answer was but just that those foods were needed and shouldn't be eliminated. After I read that I didn't want to ask what was considered a bad source then as not much worse foods left0 -
I agree that the defining the diet as "Paleo" is probably the biggest reason it gets so much flack. That and eliminating legumes. I think that freaks people out too. I get why they chose that definition, but it gives people a reason to snark.
Considering I was once a carb queen, I don't know that I'm that shocked people get up in arms when you suggest their bread/crackers/pasta might not be the best thing for them. Two years ago you would have had to pull them from my cold, dead hands. Now I don't even miss them. And I'm in the best shape of my life!
That all being said, I'm pretty loose when it comes to my Primal diet. I do have dairy whenever I want (half & half and yogurt, tiny bit of cheese), and eat all the legumes I desire. I also live on artificial sweeteners. So yeah, I'm probably not the best advocate.0 -
I agree that the defining the diet as "Paleo" is probably the biggest reason it gets so much flack. That and eliminating legumes. I think that freaks people out too. I get why they chose that definition, but it gives people a reason to snark.
Considering I was once a carb queen, I don't know that I'm that shocked people get up in arms when you suggest their bread/crackers/pasta might not be the best thing for them. Two years ago you would have had to pull them from my cold, dead hands. Now I don't even miss them. And I'm in the best shape of my life!
That all being said, I'm pretty loose when it comes to my Primal diet. I do have dairy whenever I want (half & half and yogurt, tiny bit of cheese), and eat all the legumes I desire. I also live on artificial sweeteners. So yeah, I'm probably not the best advocate.
Legumes are excluded for good reason. They are a poor source of nutrition (imo) and have the usual phytates. Additionally they are poorly tolerated by a number of people. In cultures that did eat them regularly they were soaked/fermented just like is needed for grains. My Inuit child and I do not tolerate legumes well at all (I'm Irish descent mostly).
However, I agree that many people tolerate legumes. If one tolerates them and likes them. Power to them. I don't really consider legumes non Paleo, but the idea of Paleo is to consume the foods that make each individual healthiest. Legumes are a valid and cultural choice for many people.
I cannot, however, understand your choice to use artificial sweeteners. I'd happily use honey if I refused to give up added sweet.0 -
So weird how other elimination diets are seen as quirky or even honorable, while this is all craaazy-head.
I can't help wondering if the "establishment" or "big business" are concerned because the processing business would suffer once people went back to basics and ate real food again.
I don't wonder about this anymore, I KNOW it. Profits are being threatened and I guarantee you that the number one activity of corporations is to protect and INCREASE profits; in fact they are legally obligated to increase profits for their shareholders. It's not just food processors that stand to lose profits it's Big Chem, Big Ag, Big Pharma, et al.0 -
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The OP sounds British. UK wheat sales were down a HUGE amount last year. I am a small sustainable farmer in the USA and I always blame the big guys ...because they are always behind it! Would not be surprised at all if that was the catalyst behind this "health" report.0
