Occupy homes.
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Hey, if the owner of the property is willing, sure. Unfortunately, the Occupy movement is about demanding things that are not theirs.If no one is using the homes, and no one owns them except the banks... why not come up with an agreement to let homeless people stay there? They could earn their keep. We could even work towards making the foreclosed homes into official homeless shelters, missions, or food banks.
I have not watched the videos (at work).0 -
If no one is using the homes, and no one owns them except the banks... why not come up with an agreement to let homeless people stay there? They could earn their keep. We could even work towards making the foreclosed homes into official homeless shelters, missions, or food banks.
I have not watched the videos (at work).
I would think if they could earn their keep they wouldn't be homeless in the first place.
Who would pay for this? The government (ie the people?)? The banks? I guess if they want to, then sure. Maybe with a house here and there. They can't do it on large scale though - they'd be losing tons of money.0 -
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To the people saying this guy should just go to McDonalds to get a job, did you miss the part about how he's been in and out of surgeries, etc? He can't work because of medical reasons, not because he doesn't want to. His story is different than just letting a homeless person off the street have a house like referenced in the earlier article I posted.
The way the bank behaved in this situation is ridiculous. I find it funny that when people are having issues paying their mortgage, everybody is always quick to say "Well contact your bank, they have programs in place and are willing to work with you and help you." This man did just that, and the bank yanked him around. What does everybody do? Still blame the guy who wants to get help and is trying to seek it out like advised.
I'm all about holding people accountable, but why force someone out on the streets in a situation like this where he's going to end up needing taxpayer assistance like food stamps, etc? All he wanted was the bank to cooperate and allow some flexibility, but it seems like people want to see others fail and then bash them for needing to get government assistance. You can't have it both ways.
Sorry. Every downtrodden unemployed or homeless person has a reason why they can't work, can't pay their bills, can't support themselves and it is alway someone else's fault. This guy may be that rare individual that is in this position through no fault of his own, but I seriously doubt it.
I don't want to see him fail, but I don't want to support him when he does, either.
If I loan you money, I expect to be paid back. Why wouldn't I? You said you would when you borrowed it? I have obligations too. Should I just forgive your debt and make adjustments in my life?
Loaning institutions hear every sad story you can imagine when it comes time to collect. Makes it hard to give a *kitten* about one more. I know I don't.
So you'd rather him be on gov't assistance with your tax dollars than the bank work with him to come up with an acceptable loan repayment program? Got it.
Nope. I'd rather people honor their debts. When they can't I'd rather they live with the consequences and not whine and show up at the Taxpayer's teat with their sad story.0 -
I don't understand why it's so black and white with some people. In the case of the man in the video, helping him create an acceptable program of repayment with the bank for a home he has lived in for decades isn't the same as handing out free houses to people off the street.
Everybody has a sad story, but whether the difficulty is that person's fault or not, the facts remain: he used to be able to afford the house, and now he can't. That's not the bank's fault, nor are they under obligation to give any assistance. He can try to seek help, but if that doesn't work out, then he needs to put on his big boy britches and adjust his budget to a sustainable level.
My husband didn't want to lose his job, he didn't want to go on unemployment, and we didn't want to move out of our mcmansion. But when he did lose it, we moved into a condo so we could stay on top of our bills.
There's no such thing as "deserve". You get what you earn and can afford to keep in this life. Expecting more than what you've earned is inappropriate. And when your means are changed, for whatever reason, nobody owes you the ability to maintain the lifestyle to which you've become accustomed.0 -
To the people saying this guy should just go to McDonalds to get a job, did you miss the part about how he's been in and out of surgeries, etc? He can't work because of medical reasons, not because he doesn't want to. His story is different than just letting a homeless person off the street have a house like referenced in the earlier article I posted.
The way the bank behaved in this situation is ridiculous. I find it funny that when people are having issues paying their mortgage, everybody is always quick to say "Well contact your bank, they have programs in place and are willing to work with you and help you." This man did just that, and the bank yanked him around. What does everybody do? Still blame the guy who wants to get help and is trying to seek it out like advised.
I'm all about holding people accountable, but why force someone out on the streets in a situation like this where he's going to end up needing taxpayer assistance like food stamps, etc? All he wanted was the bank to cooperate and allow some flexibility, but it seems like people want to see others fail and then bash them for needing to get government assistance. You can't have it both ways.
Sorry. Every downtrodden unemployed or homeless person has a reason why they can't work, can't pay their bills, can't support themselves and it is alway someone else's fault. This guy may be that rare individual that is in this position through no fault of his own, but I seriously doubt it.
I don't want to see him fail, but I don't want to support him when he does, either.
If I loan you money, I expect to be paid back. Why wouldn't I? You said you would when you borrowed it? I have obligations too. Should I just forgive your debt and make adjustments in my life?
Loaning institutions hear every sad story you can imagine when it comes time to collect. Makes it hard to give a *kitten* about one more. I know I don't.
So you'd rather him be on gov't assistance with your tax dollars than the bank work with him to come up with an acceptable loan repayment program? Got it.
No I'd rather he find a place to live he CAN afford.0 -
You know for a country that seems to pride itself on 'Christian values' America is a damn selfish nation.
I live in Australia. My medical bills are paid for by the govt. If I lose my job I get govt benefits. If I can't afford a house the govt will generally provide one. My children will not starve if I go through hard times. (that's not to say we don't have homeless people, or that housing developments are always easy to get, or go to the people who need them) We pay less tax than America. We have a MUCH stronger economy that America.
Thank God I wasn't born American.0 -
Those Christian values only pertain to middle class and above Christians and fetuses. Poor kids are SOL. That's the way Jesus wanted it.You know for a country that seems to pride itself on 'Christian values' America is a damn selfish nation.
I live in Australia. My medical bills are paid for by the govt. If I lose my job I get govt benefits. If I can't afford a house the govt will generally provide one. My children will not starve if I go through hard times. (that's not to say we don't have homeless people, or that housing developments are always easy to get, or go to the people who need them) We pay less tax than America. We have a MUCH stronger economy that America.
Thank God I wasn't born American.0 -
All of those safeguards exist here too, my friend.You know for a country that seems to pride itself on 'Christian values' America is a damn selfish nation.
I live in Australia. My medical bills are paid for by the govt. If I lose my job I get govt benefits. If I can't afford a house the govt will generally provide one. My children will not starve if I go through hard times. (that's not to say we don't have homeless people, or that housing developments are always easy to get, or go to the people who need them) We pay less tax than America. We have a MUCH stronger economy that America.
Thank God I wasn't born American.
Also, the Christian insult is weak. Jesus Christ taught giving charity of one's own free will, not gov't taking the money and redistributing it.0 -
No they don't. My husband came home from Iraq in 2004 to no job. His boss laid him off when he found out he would likely be deployed. Yes, that's illegal. Good luck proving it. If we couldn't have afforded COBRD ($2000/month) we would have had no insurance for 4 months. My youngest son has reactive airways. I fought like hell to make dang sure no doctor ever wrote "ashtma" on anything. If they did it would be a preexisting condition and he wouldn't be covered even when the rest of us did have insurance.
All of those safeguards exist here too, my friend.You know for a country that seems to pride itself on 'Christian values' America is a damn selfish nation.
I live in Australia. My medical bills are paid for by the govt. If I lose my job I get govt benefits. If I can't afford a house the govt will generally provide one. My children will not starve if I go through hard times. (that's not to say we don't have homeless people, or that housing developments are always easy to get, or go to the people who need them) We pay less tax than America. We have a MUCH stronger economy that America.
Thank God I wasn't born American.
Also, the Christian insult is weak. Jesus Christ taught giving charity of one's own free will, not gov't taking the money and redistributing it.
Do you have a problem with police, fire, roads, military, etc being paid out of taxes? Perhaps every street should have a toll and people should have to give a credit card number when they call 911. You'd be for that right? Or is it only when those tax dollars go towards helping the poor that people have an issue. Everything that is funded by the government is a redistribution of taxes. I don't see why people have such a big issue with that money helping a poor kid but never complain about that money going towards the electric bill in the Pentagon or the cost of a new tank.0 -
I know for a fact that I have worked harder than anyone else in the history of the universe. Therefore I feel complete outrage and hatred towards poor people.
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yes. I agree. Poor people are the ones that have caused all the problems in society. If someone is homeless or poor, it is entirely their own fault and id much prefer to live in a society with no compassion or wishes of wellbeing towards those less fortunate0 -
You know for a country that seems to pride itself on 'Christian values' America is a damn selfish nation.
I live in Australia. My medical bills are paid for by the govt. If I lose my job I get govt benefits. If I can't afford a house the govt will generally provide one. My children will not starve if I go through hard times. (that's not to say we don't have homeless people, or that housing developments are always easy to get, or go to the people who need them) We pay less tax than America. We have a MUCH stronger economy that America.
Thank God I wasn't born American.
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All of those safeguards exist here too, my friend.You know for a country that seems to pride itself on 'Christian values' America is a damn selfish nation.
I live in Australia. My medical bills are paid for by the govt. If I lose my job I get govt benefits. If I can't afford a house the govt will generally provide one. My children will not starve if I go through hard times. (that's not to say we don't have homeless people, or that housing developments are always easy to get, or go to the people who need them) We pay less tax than America. We have a MUCH stronger economy that America.
Thank God I wasn't born American.
Also, the Christian insult is weak. Jesus Christ taught giving charity of one's own free will, not gov't taking the money and redistributing it.
what about the bread and fishes thing?0 -
what WOULD jesus do?0
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My favorite view on how a lot of American Christians (not all of course) view Jesus0
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