Euthanasia
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Exactly. We don't want an animal that is not going to live with any quality of life to suffer so we do the humane thing and put them down. But a terminally ill cancer patient has to rot in pain in a body that is very slowly dying because someone else thinks it's wrong to treat them as humanely as they'd treat their dog.I never understood why we are able to humanely put our pets down when they are suffering at the end of their lives, but don't have the option to offer the same for people.0 -
I never understood why we are able to humanely put our pets down when they are suffering at the end of their lives, but don't have the option to offer the same for people.
Well, for people of faith, there is a huge difference between the life of an animal and that of a human being.Exactly. We don't want an animal that is not going to live with any quality of life to suffer so we do the humane thing and put them down. But a terminally ill cancer patient has to rot in pain in a body that is very slowly dying because someone else thinks it's wrong to treat them as humanely as they'd treat their dog0 -
I never understood why we are able to humanely put our pets down when they are suffering at the end of their lives, but don't have the option to offer the same for people.
Well, for people of faith, there is a huge difference between the life of an animal and that of a human being.Exactly. We don't want an animal that is not going to live with any quality of life to suffer so we do the humane thing and put them down. But a terminally ill cancer patient has to rot in pain in a body that is very slowly dying because someone else thinks it's wrong to treat them as humanely as they'd treat their dog
Humans are animals.
Why should your faith determine what other people do? Why should your faith have any say in what a terminally ill patient decides as far as passing along peacefully and no longer suffering? That's fine if your faith keeps YOU from deciding that euthanasia is never an option for YOU, or even for your family member if proper documentation has been in place to allow you to make that decision for a loved one. But your faith should NEVER have ANY say over what someone else does just because it's part of your religion. Ever.
ETA: I want to make it clear that I'm pro-euthanasia in terms of assisted suicide where the patient is consenting to this. I'm also in favor of it if the patient is brain-dead and only being kept alive by machines. That's not any quality of life for these people to continue. I am NOT in favor of it if the person does not want to do it.0 -
Humans are animals.
Why should your faith determine what other people do? Why should your faith have any say in what a terminally ill patient decides as far as passing along peacefully and no longer suffering? That's fine if your faith keeps YOU from deciding that euthanasia is never an option for YOU, or even for your family member if proper documentation has been in place to allow you to make that decision for a loved one. But your faith should NEVER have ANY say over what someone else does just because it's part of your religion. Ever.
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It should be a personal decision. No one's religion should have any say over what I choose to do with my life. Just as Patti (or anyone else) wouldn't want their life's decisions interfered with by someone else's views.
I was disgusted when complete strangers were demanding Terri Schiavo be kept alive over the wishes of her own husband. Consider the flip side of that coin. Let's say your loved one is hooked up to machines and the public is calling for them to be unplugged, you don't want that because of your beliefs. Well if we're letting everyone vote on when and how we get to die I guess that's ok too.
The only person you control in this life is you. Insisting that other people live up to whatever code you have for yourself is nothing more than arrogance.0 -
Humans are animals.
Why should your faith determine what other people do? Why should your faith have any say in what a terminally ill patient decides as far as passing along peacefully and no longer suffering? That's fine if your faith keeps YOU from deciding that euthanasia is never an option for YOU, or even for your family member if proper documentation has been in place to allow you to make that decision for a loved one. But your faith should NEVER have ANY say over what someone else does just because it's part of your religion. Ever.
This right here.
It should be a personal decision. No one's religion should have any say over what I choose to do with my life. Just as Patti (or anyone else) wouldn't want their life's decisions interfered with by someone else's views.
I was disgusted when complete strangers were demanding Terri Schiavo be kept alive over the wishes of her own husband. Consider the flip side of that coin. Let's say your loved one is hooked up to machines and the public is calling for them to be unplugged, you don't want that because of your beliefs. Well if we're letting everyone vote on when and how we get to die I guess that's ok too.
The only person you control in this life is you. Insisting that other people live up to whatever code you have for yourself is nothing more than arrogance.
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I never understand why people think that their own personal faith or religious beliefs should have ANY say over what others do. If something is wrong because their religion says so, that's great for them and whether or not they want to abide by that. But to try and force that same 'code' on the public simply because your 'god' tells you that it's his law??? Gimme a break.0 -
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Religion aside, it's "wrong" to kill another human being because it's against the law. No? I have only answered this question based on what *I* would do. The reason I mentioned religion was to respond to why some people treat their pets differently than their human family members.I never understand why people think that their own personal faith or religious beliefs should have ANY say over what others do. If something is wrong because their religion says so, that's great for them and whether or not they want to abide by that. But to try and force that same 'code' on the public simply because your 'god' tells you that it's his law??? Gimme a break.0 -
Well, if you told me you wanted to kill yourself, I'd do what I can from Texas to stop you.No one's religion should have any say over what I choose to do with my life. Just as Patti (or anyone else) wouldn't want their life's decisions interfered with by someone else's views.
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Well, for people of faith, there is a huge difference between the life of an animal and that of a human being.
I'm quite sure you know I was just trying to explain that to Christians man is the only "animal" made in the image and likeness of God and has a soul.Humans are animals.0 -
Religion aside, it's "wrong" to kill another human being because it's against the law. No? I have only answered this question based on what *I* would do. The reason I mentioned religion was to respond to why some people treat their pets differently than their human family members.I never understand why people think that their own personal faith or religious beliefs should have ANY say over what others do. If something is wrong because their religion says so, that's great for them and whether or not they want to abide by that. But to try and force that same 'code' on the public simply because your 'god' tells you that it's his law??? Gimme a break.
Are you against the death penalty too?
There's a huge difference between someone murdering someone in malice and assisted suicide. Not comparable.0 -
I am.Are you against the death penalty too?
I'm of the mindset that ending someone's life, unless in self-defense, is wrong.There's a huge difference between someone murdering someone in malice and assisted suicide. Not comparable.0 -
I am.Are you against the death penalty too?
I'm of the mindset that ending someone's life, unless in self-defense, is wrong.There's a huge difference between someone murdering someone in malice and assisted suicide. Not comparable.
I'm glad you're at least consistent about the death penalty. Pisses me off to see people who contradict themselves.
As far as your second point: This is fine, but why should that mindset affect everybody is my point. Just because your faith dictates that you be against assisted suicide doesn't mean that said beliefs should be able to dictate public law.
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Why do you suppose it isn't legal everywhere?As far as your second point: This is fine, but why should that mindset affect everybody is my point. Just because your faith dictates that you be against assisted suicide doesn't mean that said beliefs should be able to dictate public law.
I received a private lesson from Brett!I'd do the fancy quote thingy but do not know how LOL0 -
Why do you suppose it isn't legal everywhere?As far as your second point: This is fine, but why should that mindset affect everybody is my point. Just because your faith dictates that you be against assisted suicide doesn't mean that said beliefs should be able to dictate public law.
I received a private lesson from Brett!I'd do the fancy quote thingy but do not know how LOL
I suppose it isn't legal everywhere because people of faith are interjecting their beliefs in to government law when it shouldn't be.
It's just sad we treat our pets more humanely than we often treat our fellow humans. I wouldn't ever want a loved one to suffer and slowly die a painful death just because humans are uncomfy with the idea of assisted suicide.0 -
Yet states that have more conservative people of faith have a higher death penalty rate of succession.(Virginia and Texas to name 2).
Well, for people of faith, there is a huge difference between the life of an animal and that of a human being.
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I say the law should have guidelines on how to go about having assisted suicide and euthanasia (living will for example) and if a person doesn't want to, they don't have to.
Having seen my grandmother with dementia and having a close relative battling cancer, I am fully on board with assisted suicide.
Here's a question, a person is diagnosed with dementia, at what point is it ok for them to have assisted suicide? (if you believe in assisted suicide)0 -
I say the law should have guidelines on how to go about having assisted suicide and euthanasia (living will for example) and if a person doesn't want to, they don't have to.
Having seen my grandmother with dementia and having a close relative battling cancer, I am fully on board with assisted suicide.
Here's a question, a person is diagnosed with dementia, at what point is it ok for them to have assisted suicide? (if you believe in assisted suicide)
That's a tough one. I can only speak for what I would want.
If I'm not "me" anymore I don't want to go on. I would have to hope my loved ones would make the best decision as I would no longer be in control of myself. Man I can't imagine much scarier than that. I certainly wouldn't want to suffer through it.
Unless I'm particularly enjoying my dementia. If I'm constantly laughing at whatever is going on in my addled brain please leave me to my madness.0 -
I say the law should have guidelines on how to go about having assisted suicide and euthanasia (living will for example) and if a person doesn't want to, they don't have to.
Having seen my grandmother with dementia and having a close relative battling cancer, I am fully on board with assisted suicide.
Here's a question, a person is diagnosed with dementia, at what point is it ok for them to have assisted suicide? (if you believe in assisted suicide)
That's a tough one. I can only speak for what I would want.
If I'm not "me" anymore I don't want to go on. I would have to hope my loved ones would make the best decision as I would no longer be in control of myself. Man I can't imagine much scarier than that. I certainly wouldn't want to suffer through it.
Unless I'm particularly enjoying my dementia. If I'm constantly laughing at whatever is going on in my addled brain please leave me to my madness.
Lol, unfortunately my grandmother is not having a fun time of it, however she doesn't understand the indignities she's facing every day. I've naturally thought about this a fair amount and if I was diagnosed would consider committing suicide before I got anywhere near her stage. I was just curious about people's thoughts. It's just so hard on the person with dementia and those around them.
A good book (fictional) to read is Still Alice.0 -
Dementia inherently implies reduced capacity. If there are any questions about the capacity to receive informed consent on a major, life saving procedure, then I must assume that there is no capacity present for an inherently life ending one. The question, then, is no longer about assisted suicide (which is sending someone home with a bunch of lethal drugs, for them to take on their own), rather, that is essentially non-voluntary euthanisia, as you cannot be sure they areeven aware that they are taking a lethal combination of drugs. Let's be honest, though. Immediately questions would arise about "elder cleansing," essentially reducing the number of expensive, difficult to support and manage, non-productive members of society, all in the name of "compassion."I say the law should have guidelines on how to go about having assisted suicide and euthanasia (living will for example) and if a person doesn't want to, they don't have to.
Having seen my grandmother with dementia and having a close relative battling cancer, I am fully on board with assisted suicide.
Here's a question, a person is diagnosed with dementia, at what point is it ok for them to have assisted suicide? (if you believe in assisted suicide)
That's a tough one. I can only speak for what I would want.
If I'm not "me" anymore I don't want to go on. I would have to hope my loved ones would make the best decision as I would no longer be in control of myself. Man I can't imagine much scarier than that. I certainly wouldn't want to suffer through it.
Unless I'm particularly enjoying my dementia. If I'm constantly laughing at whatever is going on in my addled brain please leave me to my madness.
Lol, unfortunately my grandmother is not having a fun time of it, however she doesn't understand the indignities she's facing every day. I've naturally thought about this a fair amount and if I was diagnosed would consider committing suicide before I got anywhere near her stage. I was just curious about people's thoughts. It's just so hard on the person with dementia and those around them.
A good book (fictional) to read is Still Alice.
As to suicide at the first signs of dementia, unfortunately, no one can promise how fast it will progress, there are several different typesof dementia with different natural histories and prognoses, and it is never clear how well they will respond (in terms of halting progress) to medication. Unless it is the very, very rapid and lethal form of early onset, hereditary alzheimers, I say it is difficult call against a potentially long, productive and healthy period before advanced dementia sets in.0 -
Dementia inherently implies reduced capacity. If there are any questions about the capacity to receive informed consent on a major, life saving procedure, then I must assume that there is no capacity present for an inherently life ending one. The question, then, is no longer about assisted suicide (which is sending someone home with a bunch of lethal drugs, for them to take on their own), rather, that is essentially non-voluntary euthanisia, as you cannot be sure they areeven aware that they are taking a lethal combination of drugs. Let's be honest, though. Immediately questions would arise about "elder cleansing," essentially reducing the number of expensive, difficult to support and manage, non-productive members of society, all in the name of "compassion."I say the law should have guidelines on how to go about having assisted suicide and euthanasia (living will for example) and if a person doesn't want to, they don't have to.
Having seen my grandmother with dementia and having a close relative battling cancer, I am fully on board with assisted suicide.
Here's a question, a person is diagnosed with dementia, at what point is it ok for them to have assisted suicide? (if you believe in assisted suicide)
That's a tough one. I can only speak for what I would want.
If I'm not "me" anymore I don't want to go on. I would have to hope my loved ones would make the best decision as I would no longer be in control of myself. Man I can't imagine much scarier than that. I certainly wouldn't want to suffer through it.
Unless I'm particularly enjoying my dementia. If I'm constantly laughing at whatever is going on in my addled brain please leave me to my madness.
Lol, unfortunately my grandmother is not having a fun time of it, however she doesn't understand the indignities she's facing every day. I've naturally thought about this a fair amount and if I was diagnosed would consider committing suicide before I got anywhere near her stage. I was just curious about people's thoughts. It's just so hard on the person with dementia and those around them.
A good book (fictional) to read is Still Alice.
As to suicide at the first signs of dementia, unfortunately, no one can promise how fast it will progress, there are several different typesof dementia with different natural histories and prognoses, and it is never clear how well they will respond (in terms of halting progress) to medication. Unless it is the very, very rapid and lethal form of early onset, hereditary alzheimers, I say it is difficult call against a potentially long, productive and healthy period before advanced dementia sets in.
This I agree with. I don't support assisted suicide if the patient is not mentally stable enough to make this decision for themselves.0 -
Dementia inherently implies reduced capacity. If there are any questions about the capacity to receive informed consent on a major, life saving procedure, then I must assume that there is no capacity present for an inherently life ending one. The question, then, is no longer about assisted suicide (which is sending someone home with a bunch of lethal drugs, for them to take on their own), rather, that is essentially non-voluntary euthanisia, as you cannot be sure they areeven aware that they are taking a lethal combination of drugs. Let's be honest, though. Immediately questions would arise about "elder cleansing," essentially reducing the number of expensive, difficult to support and manage, non-productive members of society, all in the name of "compassion."I say the law should have guidelines on how to go about having assisted suicide and euthanasia (living will for example) and if a person doesn't want to, they don't have to.
Having seen my grandmother with dementia and having a close relative battling cancer, I am fully on board with assisted suicide.
Here's a question, a person is diagnosed with dementia, at what point is it ok for them to have assisted suicide? (if you believe in assisted suicide)
That's a tough one. I can only speak for what I would want.
If I'm not "me" anymore I don't want to go on. I would have to hope my loved ones would make the best decision as I would no longer be in control of myself. Man I can't imagine much scarier than that. I certainly wouldn't want to suffer through it.
Unless I'm particularly enjoying my dementia. If I'm constantly laughing at whatever is going on in my addled brain please leave me to my madness.
Lol, unfortunately my grandmother is not having a fun time of it, however she doesn't understand the indignities she's facing every day. I've naturally thought about this a fair amount and if I was diagnosed would consider committing suicide before I got anywhere near her stage. I was just curious about people's thoughts. It's just so hard on the person with dementia and those around them.
A good book (fictional) to read is Still Alice.
As to suicide at the first signs of dementia, unfortunately, no one can promise how fast it will progress, there are several different typesof dementia with different natural histories and prognoses, and it is never clear how well they will respond (in terms of halting progress) to medication. Unless it is the very, very rapid and lethal form of early onset, hereditary alzheimers, I say it is difficult call against a potentially long, productive and healthy period before advanced dementia sets in.
This I agree with. I don't support assisted suicide if the patient is not mentally stable enough to make this decision for themselves.
Well, I definitely agree with that as well, I guess my point is not euthanasia, but assisted suicide if it is consent is previously given, while deemed mentally fit.
I guess my other point is making the decision to end one's life before it gets to the point of not being able to make that decision, understand that decision. Dementia is a hard one and as stated above, a varied one. Some people do continue to respond to treatment and have happy productive lives for quite a while. But no current medication can stop or reverse the condition. Long before the end, the person is no longer the person. No memory, very little of the original personality. Unable to hold any sort of real conversation. No logic, no reasoning. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Obviously I would never make the decision for another person, but for myself, I don't want to end up that way.0 -
True. I attribute this to people justifying the death penalty as "self defense of society". I do not buy into that (and I'm a Texan).Yet states that have more conservative people of faith have a higher death penalty rate of succession.(Virginia and Texas)0
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