Advice on Deconstructing Calories In vs. Calories Out?
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If I eat a lot of protein in the evening doing a 20:4 IF and also allow carbs, my morning bg is high. I can get the morning bg low by either not eating as much protein and keeping the carbs or going low carb and eating all the protein. I don't seem to be able to do both.1
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If I eat a lot of protein in the evening doing a 20:4 IF and also allow carbs, my morning bg is high. I can get the morning bg low by either not eating as much protein and keeping the carbs or going low carb and eating all the protein. I don't seem to be able to do both.
That sounds odd... Reducing protein gives the same bang for the buck as reducing carbs? Must be the devil's in the details!
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I know I have read or heard it said in a talk somewhere that very low carbers/keto'ers often have their highest BG reading be their FBG. I think it is not unusual. I know mine is always the highest reading of the day. It bothers me largely because that is partially how diabetes or prediabetes is diagnosed. I am still very firmly prediabetic according to that number, and it annoys me after being LCHF for a couple of years.
I guess I feel like I should be rewarded with low morning BG numbers.
@nvmomketo that makes me feel a little better. Maybe things aren't as out of control as I think sometimes.0 -
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Accelerated glucose production and impaired glucose utilization due to nocturnal surges in growth hormone secretion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28595240 -
I'd just like to say I haven't got a clue what any of this means. It's truly all double-dutch to me. I have never measured anything like this in my life, I wouldn't know where to start, how to start, or even why....
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AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »I'd just like to say I haven't got a clue what any of this means. It's truly all double-dutch to me. I have never measured anything like this in my life, I wouldn't know where to start, how to start, or even why....
You've never had a blood glucose test? Seems unlikely.0 -
@canadjineh -
Accelerated glucose production and impaired glucose utilization due to nocturnal surges in growth hormone secretion.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2859524
That could be a large portion of my problem right there. My GH and IGF-1 are typically on the high end of normal to high. Enough that I've worried about acromegaly.1 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »I'd just like to say I haven't got a clue what any of this means. It's truly all double-dutch to me. I have never measured anything like this in my life, I wouldn't know where to start, how to start, or even why....
You've never had a blood glucose test? Seems unlikely.
I never have, but even when I was morbidly obese I never had enough issues to warrant bothering. However, the more data that I collect on myself, the more I am tempted to pick up a meter for *kitten* and giggles.
I'm already tracking weight, bodyfat, lifts, basal body temp, kcals and macros...what's one more data point added to the mix? xD1 -
AlexandraCarlyle wrote: »I'd just like to say I haven't got a clue what any of this means. It's truly all double-dutch to me. I have never measured anything like this in my life, I wouldn't know where to start, how to start, or even why....
Many around here have insulin resistance (IR) where we tend to not react to insulin as well as we used to so our blood glucose (BG) levels climb. Climbing BG is how type 2 diabetes is diagnosed - it is one form of insulin resistance.
Most people learn they have IR or T2D because they took a fasting blood glucose test (FBG) and it was elevated. If you have ever had to have blood work done early in the morning, and had to fast too, that was probably a BG or cortisol test.
LCHF, weight loss and fasting can often improve IR, except sometimes morning BG numbers stay higher due to the glucose your liver releases in the early hours which is triggered my factors like rising cortisol and growth hormones.1 -
If I eat a lot of protein in the evening doing a 20:4 IF and also allow carbs, my morning bg is high. I can get the morning bg low by either not eating as much protein and keeping the carbs or going low carb and eating all the protein. I don't seem to be able to do both.
That sounds odd... Reducing protein gives the same bang for the buck as reducing carbs? Must be the devil's in the details!
If I eat 120g of protein in the evening with my regular carbs, morning it's high.
If I eat 60g of protein in the evenings with my regualr carbs, morning is ok.
If I eat 120g of protein in the evening with low carbs, morning is ok.
That was from about 3 or 4 weeks of observations and experimenting. Not tightly controlled but that was my conclusion.1 -
If I eat a lot of protein in the evening doing a 20:4 IF and also allow carbs, my morning bg is high. I can get the morning bg low by either not eating as much protein and keeping the carbs or going low carb and eating all the protein. I don't seem to be able to do both.
That sounds odd... Reducing protein gives the same bang for the buck as reducing carbs? Must be the devil's in the details!
If I eat 120g of protein in the evening with my regular carbs, morning it's high.
If I eat 60g of protein in the evenings with my regualr carbs, morning is ok.
If I eat 120g of protein in the evening with low carbs, morning is ok.
That was from about 3 or 4 weeks of observations and experimenting. Not tightly controlled but that was my conclusion.
We've known for a while that stacking carbs with protein causes a synergistic effect that is greater than the sum. This is why the recommended post-lifting nutrition hovers around 40-50g rapidly digesting carbs paired with 25-35g whey.1 -
roguehealthandfitness.com/fasting-insulin/
This was the clearest info I've found yet for those of us who have been LC for quite a while, are not overweight, and do exercise, never diagnosed as pre or diabetic, yet still have (slightly high) Dawn Phenomenon. Found while clicking links through rabbit holes via intensivedietarymanagement.com. My current waist to height ratio is .43 and my waist to hip ratio is .75 - both in the low end of healthy measures (and that's with 10 more lbs to lose to get to my happy original 2014 goal weight).
Tested FBG average within 1/2 hour of rising = 5.7 or 103 (pretty close to my 1 hr post-prandial measures)
Tested FBG average 3 hours after rising = 4.8 or 86
Possible causes are slightly low B1, B6, and B12 which causes low Insulin Growth Factor-1. IGF-1 controls blood sugar between meals, Insulin controls blood sugar immediately after meals.
edited for spelling (no glucose in brain yet, lol.... still fasting)
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canadjineh wrote: »roguehealthandfitness.com/fasting-insulin/
This was the clearest info I've found yet for those of us who have been LC for quite a while, are not overweight, and do exercise, never diagnosed as pre or diabetic, yet still have (slightly high) Dawn Phenomenon. Found while clicking links through rabbit holes via intensivedietarymanagement.com. My current waist to height ratio is .43 and my waist to hip ratio is .75 - both in the low end of healthy measures (and that's with 10 more lbs to lose to get to my happy original 2014 goal weight).
Tested FBG average within 1/2 hour of rising = 5.7 or 103 (pretty close to my 1 hr post-prandial measures)
Tested FBG average 3 hours after rising = 4.8 or 86
Possible causes are slightly low B1, B6, and B12 which causes low Insulin Growth Factor-1. IGF-1 controls blood sugar between meals, Insulin controls blood sugar immediately after meals.
edited for spelling (no glucose in brain yet, lol.... still fasting)
A good thing!
http://thepaleodiet.com/carbs-wreck-the-brain/
PS. Don't forget glucagon, the anti-insulin.0 -
I dunno, @RalfLott... I already have problems with dopamine and serotonin due to fibromyalgia. Apparently I just need a bit more exercise (or cocaine and MDNA)?
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Thanks for the info!0
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Can someone here send a link to this thread to the OP, he has told (by msg) that he can no longer access this post and he's interested in reading our updated comments. Thank You.0
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