Battle of the Sexes: Indecent Exposure

KimmyEB
KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
Why is it okay for men to walk around shirtless, but not women?

Why are the ratings (G, PG, PG-13, R, etc.) different for male and female nudity? Do you feel the ratings systems should be changed or are they fine as is?

Discuss. :smile:
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  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,720 Member
    Oh.


    I thought this was the thread where we'd all nude up and see who wins. My bad.



    *zip*
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,793 Member
    I don't have a problem with women walking around topless.
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    Because men cannot focus when boobies are out.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    Oh.


    I thought this was the thread where we'd all nude up and see who wins. My bad.



    *zip*

    :laugh: Sorry to disappoint. I had to have an attention-getting title though!

    RoadDog--I'm sure most guys don't. :tongue:

    I'm just curious as to people's general thoughts on the subject, why you may feel there is a double standard (or maybe you don't, who knows?), etc.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    Because men cannot focus when boobies are out.

    My friends and I watched Bad Teacher last weekend, and the one time boobs were shown, my friend's brother-in-law was literally staring at the TV with wide eyes. Everyone was saying his name, shouting at him (jokingly) to cover his eyes, trying to get his attention from the boobs on screen, and he literally didn't look away from the screen until the boobs were gone. It was hilarious. No one else was entranced (male or female) except for him, haha.
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    I'm just curious as to people's general thoughts on the subject, why you may feel there is a double standard (or maybe you don't, who knows?), etc.

    Serious answer this time.

    I think a woman's breasts have been traditionally seen as a sexual thing and something that has been controlled by "modesty" for many years in many cultures. I know that in Europe, people are really more open about nudity. Most of the beaches are nude or top optional. I liked that things were so much more open there than in the states.
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    Because men cannot focus when boobies are out.

    My friends and I watched Bad Teacher last weekend, and the one time boobs were shown, my friend's brother-in-law was literally staring at the TV with wide eyes. Everyone was saying his name, shouting at him (jokingly) to cover his eyes, trying to get his attention from the boobs on screen, and he literally didn't look away from the screen until the boobs were gone. It was hilarious. No one else was entranced (male or female) except for him, haha.

    My husband is like that. He is a breast man. I think his IQ drops by a good 100 points when they come out.
  • MikeSEA
    MikeSEA Posts: 1,074 Member
    This is kind of a joking response and a serious response: as a gay man, I wouldn't mind seeing more mainstream male full frontal. I find the inequity both annoying and slightly disturbing.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    I'm just curious as to people's general thoughts on the subject, why you may feel there is a double standard (or maybe you don't, who knows?), etc.

    Serious answer this time.

    I think a woman's breasts have been traditionally seen as a sexual thing and something that has been controlled by "modesty" for many years in many cultures. I know that in Europe, people are really more open about nudity. Most of the beaches are nude or top optional. I liked that things were so much more open there than in the states.

    Yeah, no doubt that throughout history, women's breasts seem to have been covered in a lot of cultures. It's interesting looking at art, though, where the rules seem almost completely different--Greek statues of fully nude women, or just hair hair covering certain parts, and if I remember right, Greek statues of fully nude men, as well. Paintings of nude women in the Renaissance, as well. I don't remember if I saw any nude male painting from that time.

    I remember in my sociology class, we had to vote on whether or not we'd all be okay watching certain movies and documentaries where nudity may be shown. For example, one video was of an African tribe where the women go topless. I was really shocked at how many people raised their hands in favor AGAINST it. And this was a COLLEGE class, mind you! They finally "compromised" with "we can show this, but only if we skip the parts where women are topless." Which is basically the whole thing. So we learned nothing of the women in that tribe, just about the men. It was fine for them to be in nothing but a loincloth or shorts, though.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    This is kind of a joking response and a serious response: as a gay man, I wouldn't mind seeing more mainstream male full frontal. I find the inequity both annoying and slightly disturbing.

    ME TOO! Well, I find the inequity both annoying and slightly disturbing, I mean. I'm a woman, so I can't be a gay man. :tongue:

    I like what Elizabeth said in regards to nudity being more "open" in other places than the United States. I know a friend of mine is Spanish, and topless beaches aren't anything weird for her. I also used to live with a bunch of Germans who found it highly amusing that nudity is so "ewww" and taboo here. I have friends who don't try to hide nudity from their children. Don't get me wrong, they're not showing their kids XXX porn movies or anything, but they don't ingrain in their children that nudity is something bad or to be ashamed of.
  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
    It's not really fair and it is a double standard. But the dong just isn't pretty, especially in a flaccid state. Part of the problem is that it changes. When it is needed functionally it arguably looks better, but now you're stuck with a movie actor walking around with a hard-on and that just looks silly unless there is some action going on. Not to mention it creates spacing and lighting issues for the production crew. And SAG insurance doesn't cover dong injuries.
  • _SusieQ_
    _SusieQ_ Posts: 2,964 Member
    Because men cannot focus when boobies are out.

    My friends and I watched Bad Teacher last weekend, and the one time boobs were shown, my friend's brother-in-law was literally staring at the TV with wide eyes. Everyone was saying his name, shouting at him (jokingly) to cover his eyes, trying to get his attention from the boobs on screen, and he literally didn't look away from the screen until the boobs were gone. It was hilarious. No one else was entranced (male or female) except for him, haha.

    My husband is like that. He is a breast man. I think his IQ drops by a good 100 points when they come out.

    I know mine just did, and I was just thinking about the bewbies.
  • TheRoadDog
    TheRoadDog Posts: 11,793 Member
    Because men cannot focus when boobies are out.

    Not true. Take your top off and watch me focus.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    But the dong just isn't pretty, especially in a flaccid state.

    That's not a good reason. :tongue: Plus that's personal preference. If I say "well boobs are ugly"...doesn't mean everyone agrees and that boobs are now outlawed in movies.
  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
    But the dong just isn't pretty, especially in a flaccid state.

    That's not a good reason. :tongue: Plus that's personal preference. If I say "well boobs are ugly"...doesn't mean everyone agrees and that boobs are now outlawed in movies.
    OK. I don't have time to cite the hundreds of peer-reviewed journals that prove dong unattractiveness when flaccid. But you have to at least admit that if we are looking at these body parts sexually (and that's why they are censored, right?), only the man's equipment changes in the context of sex. It's not like boobs inflate when it's go time (nipple respone to arousal notwithstanding).

    Thanks for providing means for me to type that last sentence.
  • KimmyEB
    KimmyEB Posts: 1,208 Member
    But the dong just isn't pretty, especially in a flaccid state.

    That's not a good reason. :tongue: Plus that's personal preference. If I say "well boobs are ugly"...doesn't mean everyone agrees and that boobs are now outlawed in movies.
    OK. I don't have time to cite the hundreds of peer-reviewed journals that prove dong unattractiveness when flaccid. But you have to at least admit that if we are looking at these body parts sexually (and that's why they are censored, right?), only the man's equipment changes in the context of sex. It's not like boobs inflate when it's go time (nipple respone to arousal notwithstanding).

    Thanks for providing means for me to type that last sentence.

    I don't think flaccid dongs are unattractive. I don't think they're attractive, either. I think they are just...there.

    Also, why do we have to only see nudity in the contexts of sex? Nudity can be portrayed in films without it being in a sexual manner. Are you having sex every single time you're naked? :laugh:
  • jenbit
    jenbit Posts: 4,289 Member
    But the dong just isn't pretty, especially in a flaccid state.

    That's not a good reason. :tongue: Plus that's personal preference. If I say "well boobs are ugly"...doesn't mean everyone agrees and that boobs are now outlawed in movies.
    OK. I don't have time to cite the hundreds of peer-reviewed journals that prove dong unattractiveness when flaccid. But you have to at least admit that if we are looking at these body parts sexually (and that's why they are censored, right?), only the man's equipment changes in the context of sex. It's not like boobs inflate when it's go time (nipple respone to arousal notwithstanding).

    Thanks for providing means for me to type that last sentence.

    I don't think flaccid dongs are unattractive. I don't think they're attractive, either. I think they are just...there.

    Also, why do we have to only see nudity in the contexts of sex? Nudity can be portrayed in films without it being in a sexual manner. Are you having sex every single time you're naked? :laugh:



    ^^^^^ Dont I wish LOL
  • kit_katty
    kit_katty Posts: 994 Member
    Because men cannot focus when boobies are out.

    Not true. Take your top off and watch me focus.

    Snicker!
  • mikajoanow
    mikajoanow Posts: 584 Member
    This is kind of a joking response and a serious response: as a gay man, I wouldn't mind seeing more mainstream male full frontal. I find the inequity both annoying and slightly disturbing.

    ME TOO! Well, I find the inequity both annoying and slightly disturbing, I mean. I'm a woman, so I can't be a gay man. :tongue:

    I like what Elizabeth said in regards to nudity being more "open" in other places than the United States. I know a friend of mine is Spanish, and topless beaches aren't anything weird for her. I also used to live with a bunch of Germans who found it highly amusing that nudity is so "ewww" and taboo here. I have friends who don't try to hide nudity from their children. Don't get me wrong, they're not showing their kids XXX porn movies or anything, but they don't ingrain in their children that nudity is something bad or to be ashamed of.


    I never did with mine either. But *part* of that comes naturally. One day I was going to hop in the shower with my then 2 1/2 year old (closer to 3) like we usually did. And for the first time ever, he looked at me, and covered his eyes with his hands. He became aware at that very moment that I was different and was clearly embarrassed. I have three boys and all of them at some point figured out that I was different than they were. Now I always try not to freak out when they walk in on me when I am getting dressed, but I don't make it a habit of being naked in front of them at all. Especially now my teenagers, who would pretty much die if they saw me naked lol

    I don't want to walk around topless for myself anyway. I have fake boobs and they are heavy. I don't think its comfortable at all to walk around with them out and about. Even when I go to bed I wear a bra.