Amendment 1 in North Carolina
kapeluza
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It passed.
Your thoughts?
http://www.freedomtomarry.org/blog/entry/anti-gay-constitutional-amendment-passes-in-north-carolina
Your thoughts?
http://www.freedomtomarry.org/blog/entry/anti-gay-constitutional-amendment-passes-in-north-carolina
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I might go all Hulk-like on the state of NC.
Love is love. Period. End of story.
This is going to be a heated topic. *pops popcorn*0 -
It's sad and sickening that this is what is important to some people, in the wake of all that needs to be fixed in America this is what people choose to waste their time and money on. I have never been one to not want other upstanding citizens to have the same rights I have. It's pathetic and ignorant, hopefully someday we can evolve out of this way of thinking. In a perfect world the Gays should strike in NC lol and all the gays should move out of that state, why should they pay the same state taxes as everyone else but not have the same rights. F.U. NC0
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I dont even have words.
But I am not suprised0 -
After the time I lived in NC, it doesn't surprise me one bit. All I can say was that it was very interesting to live there, and I would not move back. I would vacation there, but that is as far as it goes.0
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Without clicking the link I'm guessing no gay marriage in NC?
Not surprised, they're fairly backwards there (no offense to any who might live there). Nice vacation spot for tourists, but certainly not a forward thinking part of the country.
I try to stay positive. I like to think it's all just delay tactics. It will eventually be accepted everywhere. It may take longer than it should (it already has) but nothing can stop a good and just idea.
Some day our children will look on us in shame that there was ever even a debate about this. At least I'll know what side I was on.0 -
No surprise there....
Way to go NC, will you also bring back slavery at some point? ....*Marks off one more state to never move too*0 -
I find it interesting that polls show movement toward the acceptance of gay marriage, but when it's actually put to the vote is a completely different story.
This may be an expected result for NC, but if I'm not mistaken, California did the same thing in '08.0 -
This actually made me very very sad.0
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makes me sick. who "you" marry has no baring on my marriage, so there is no need for concern over who someone else marries. I truly don't understand any argument against it.
It's times like this that I'm pretty proud to be an Iowan. (and yes, those times are rare!)0 -
It still boggles my mind that in the year 2012, marriage is still dictated by religious standards (man and wife). I am pretty conservative on political issues, but the libertarian in me cannot figure out how the government has a say in who marries who.0
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You're all invited to come to Canada lol0
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Way to beat a dead horse NC! Un-f[img][/img]ucking-believable.0
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It's rather frustrating no? When will this crap stop?0
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It's rather frustrating no? When will this crap stop?
When the ignorant uppity A-holes die off...............................but it will take generations and generations to kill off this tumor on American society0 -
It's an abomination of justice. There has never been a single convincing argument that gay marriage effects anyone other than the gays who get married. Statistically they have shown to be just as good as parents as straight couples. North Carolina and most of our citizens are confused and thing we live in a mob ruled democracy and we don't. We are a contitutional Republic that democratically elects our officials.
I'm only 34 years old, but I can already see the genius of having a Bill of Rights because everytime I turn around, some a-hole group of citizens is meddling in affairs not of their own, and often hiding behind their children or their bible. The weakness of our nation is no longer our debt, unbalanced budget, or enless wars...it's the simple fact that so many of our citiizens don't realize freedom only works when you support the rights of people you don't agree with.0 -
it's the simple fact that so many of our citizens don't realize freedom only works when you support the rights of people you don't agree with.
Basically what I wanted to say in the 50 Shades of Gray thread. Living in a free society means some people are going to do things you may not personally enjoy or approve of. If they're not personally harming anyone it's none of your business and they have every right to live their lives as they see fit.
I've never like busybodies anyway.0 -
Makes me ashamed to live in the this bass-ackwards state.
Such a beautiful place with such ugly souls that live here.
Sign this so we can at least attempt to repeal it.
http://www.change.org/petitions/1-million-against-amendment-10 -
certainly not a forward thinking part of the country.
like California, where we are much more progressive and...................oh ****.0 -
When Cali banned gay marriage, I was actually embarrassed to be a Californian.
I may be pretty conservative when it comes to financial matters, but I am against any and all forms of discrimination. It's hard to believe that it's 2012, and we are STILL passing new laws segregating people. It's gross.0 -
Every argument against gay marriage would also negate my courthouse atheist marriage. I'm not in a holy and sacred union. I'm just crazy in love with someone and wanted a legal and public declaration and celebration of that love. And that's something everyone should be able to have.0
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Absolutely daft. I thought this was on track to be defeated??? What happened? Presumably there will be legal challenges on the basis of constitutionality as in California et al.? Of course, it would be much simpler if Gay Marriage was legalised on a federal rather than state level, but I'm guessing that's too much to hope for, since we Brits can't even get around to doing that, and we're much less anti- on the whole than the US appears to be!0
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It makes me sad that there are so very many people more concerned about running other people's lives, and using other people's choices as an excuse for the craphole they've made out of their own life.0
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Man looking at this same thread in the chit chat section makes me love our little debate group even more.
Not NC but related:
The Missouri House of Representatives after several times rejecting "sexual orientation" as one of the legally prohibited categories of discrimation, managed to find another category in March (to join race, religion, etc.) that IS deserving of specila protection. Licensed concealed-weapons-carriers.
So it's cool to discriminate against gays, "it's their choice after all". But I guess in Missouri they're born with those guns they need to carry around.
Democracy, sometimes it sucks.0 -
I just read that thread in the chit-chat section. I'm embarrassed by some of the comments from the "religious" people. What I'd like to do is direct this statement to other Christians who want to condemn people wanting same sex marriages:
"Politics divide. Love doesn't. Sad for the division and loss this unnecessary political move has caused and will cause. Sad for the message it sends. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's and don't get them tangled up...."
I'm just not sure how anyone can say which civil unions deserve the financial and legal rights and which ones don't. To me, this issue isn't about the act of homosexuality. It's about the benefits that we get in this country by being in a civil union. It makes me sad to think that two women, for example, can decide to spend their lives together in a loving commited relationship, but one cannot cover the other under insurance plans, they get no break in tax laws, and they cannot speak for each other when one becomes unable to. Sorry, but that breaks my heart.0 -
Man looking at this same thread in the chit chat section makes me love our little debate group even more.
Not NC but related:
The Missouri House of Representatives after several times rejecting "sexual orientation" as one of the legally prohibited categories of discrimation, managed to find another category in March (to join race, religion, etc.) that IS deserving of specila protection. Licensed concealed-weapons-carriers.
So it's cool to discriminate against gays, "it's their choice after all". But I guess in Missouri they're born with those guns they need to carry around.
Democracy, sometimes it sucks.
I agree completely Brett.0 -
I just read that thread in the chit-chat section. I'm embarrassed by some of the comments from the "religious" people. What I'd like to do is direct this statement to other Christians who want to condemn people wanting same sex marriages:
"Politics divide. Love doesn't. Sad for the division and loss this unnecessary political move has caused and will cause. Sad for the message it sends. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's and don't get them tangled up...."
I'm just not sure how anyone can say which civil unions deserve the financial and legal rights and which ones don't. To me, this issue isn't about the act of homosexuality. It's about the benefits that we get in this country by being in a civil union. It makes me sad to think that two women, for example, can decide to spend their lives together in a loving commited relationship, but one cannot cover the other under insurance plans, they get no break in tax laws, and they cannot speak for each other when one becomes unable to. Sorry, but that breaks my heart.
Oh Patti if only they all were like you...
You're exactly right. It's about the rights that marriage entails. I don't really care if people want to call what they have a marriage or civil union or domestic partnership.. that's window dressing. But the fact that married couples are allowed certain privileges that are not extended to others is discrimination.
This is one of those times I'm very libertarian. The state has no business in the area of love. If two people, same sex or different, three people or what the heck ever decide they love each other and want to be a unit best of luck to them. No one under 18 and no animals as neither can give consent. Other than that it's none of my damn business, much less the governments. Married people don't need tax breaks, no one gets married for that reason anyway. So this whole "the state wants to encourage marriage and families" business is hogwash. People marry and have kids regardless of what the government says.
It's about being able to visit your partner in a hospital and not have some nurse tell you you're not allowed to see the person you've shared your life with for decades because you're not allowed to have the same useless piece of paper that straight people are.0 -
Have you ever got into a debate with some who is strongly against gay marriage? It's quite funny. Just keep asking them 'Why', and see what happens.0
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I lived in NC for quite a few years and loved it. BUT I was surprised when I was talking to co-workers that almost 80% of them had never even been out of their state. Many never out of their county. So this does not surprise me any. They need to leap forward in times in so many ways.
Love is love is love, I don't know why people have such a hard time with this. It isn't right for the government to tell you who you can love and get married to. but then again, the great government is horning in everywhere else - but that is another discussion.0 -
Have you ever got into a debate with some who is strongly against gay marriage? It's quite funny. Just keep asking them 'Why', and see what happens.
After 45 minutes....
Because it's gross damnit!0 -
Top ten reasons given to ban same-sex marriages :
1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester and air conditioning.
2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn’t changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can’t marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears’ 55 hour marriage would be destroyed.
6) The only valid marriages are those which produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren’t full yet, and the world needs more children.
7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That’s why we have only one religion in America.
9) Children can never succeed without both a male and a female role model at home. That’s why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven’t adapted to cars, the service-sector economy or longer life spans.0
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