Steroids, Pro-hormones etc - What's the general consensus?
jayb0ne
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Ok so I know what my opinion of it is... I cast no judgement on anyone who does at all, it just aint for me.
Just wondered what the consensus of opinion on them is on here. Useful training tool? Cheating? Messing with your body too much? Handy help along with nature?
Honestly interested in your opinions.
Jay
Just wondered what the consensus of opinion on them is on here. Useful training tool? Cheating? Messing with your body too much? Handy help along with nature?
Honestly interested in your opinions.
Jay
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If your not competing in a sport? I say its up to you. If you are in a sport, I look at it as an unfair advantage. I do not compete in any sport so Honestly I might if not for the possible negative side effects. Plus I would assume once you start using them you pretty much have to cycle for the rest of your life to maintain your gains, but I have not researched them so I don't know if this is true,.0
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yeah it's cheating if you play a competitive sport. not cheating if you're a pro BB'er though i wouldnt think, as there would not be one guy on that circuit who is natural.
There is never a need to use any of that stuff for the average trainee. especially one with anything less than 5 years SOLID years of training and total understanding of nutrition.
i've read up alot on this stuff and have come to the conclusion that:
sure they have their place, but for 99% of people, they will never be required.
nothing beats hard work and dedication.
that's basically my take on it.0 -
the main issue is impatient people who jump on them straight away with hardly any training experience. They will help get you beyond you're genetic potential but not necessary until you actually get there. I know nothing of prohormones but read up a bit on steroids.0
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What is sad, is all the guys in my gym, who are clearly younger than me, juicing who cant hit intermediate lifts, they probably havent researched lifting, or hormones. Its like the guys say above, its impatient people who want everything now, sadly, it'll only get worse as the information age shortens attention spans0
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the main issue is impatient people who jump on them straight away with hardly any training experience. They will help get you beyond you're genetic potential but not necessary until you actually get there. I know nothing of prohormones but read up a bit on steroids.
this.
i get a little pissed when I see a 150 pound kid taking them after training for 6 months.
Prohormones seem more dangerous than real gear, because you take them orally, and the methylated compounds are a bit harsh on the liver.
If/when I do cycle, it will probably be real gear.0 -
if it don't get you high then why bother?0
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Ill eat them all....0
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There are definitely safe doses, but again, not a substitute for diet, hard work, consistency, and time
I think it is more fun and challenging to struggle though...keeps me motivated0 -
They're a cool supplement just like anything else. You need solid training and a good base diet/sleep/lifestyle before using them will have any real positive effect.
And then theres the use vs abuse discussion.
Tell ya what tho, prohormones are few and far between, most stuff out there is just a DS.0 -
I don't use them (obviously) but if someone uses them for recreational reasons (as opposed to a professional athlete who is breaking rules by using them) I don't take issue with it.
I DO take issue with people who use steroids and then use their physique to indicate that they have a clue what they're talking about, but that's another issue.0 -
The biggest problem I see with beginners taking gear is that they don't have enough training under their belt before they start. You get incredibly strong on them, and while your strength increases in your muscle, your tendons don't. So it's very easy to tear tendons, and it happens a lot more than people think.
We'll not even get into the side effects of these drugs.0 -
This is called "Bro-Science", I'm not a fan either...it just spreads ignorance and normal (non-enhanced) people buy into itI don't use them (obviously) but if someone uses them for recreational reasons (as opposed to a professional athlete who is breaking rules by using them) I don't take issue with it.
I DO take issue with people who use steroids and then use their physique to indicate that they have a clue what they're talking about, but that's another issue.0 -
the main issue is impatient people who jump on them straight away with hardly any training experience. They will help get you beyond you're genetic potential but not necessary until you actually get there. I know nothing of prohormones but read up a bit on steroids.
This!
I don't care what other people take or don't take, it's their own body, own choice, but IMO it just seems like laziness when they start them straight away. I don't know, do they think they'll just get huge / insanely strong straight off without much effort? You still have to work damn hard while taking them. It's just there as a tool for when you've reached your natural limit, if you wish to go further.
Obviously I don't take them, but I've known several guys who have done / do currently. If I was to say anything to someone thinking about it it'd just be, see what you can do natural first, and if you still want to go further, do your research and don't go crazy, as in, take the recommended amount, not as much as you can handle, because the majority of the health problems / sdie effects that start in previously healthy people are usually from people taking *kitten* loads and never cycling off!
Also, I have an issue with:
1) People who try to compete in drug tested / natural sports when they take or have previously taken steroids. It just gives an unfair advantage!
2) People who deny taking steroids, when they do, and then go on about how another person can get to where they are with "just hard work" Again, fine if you don't want to admit it, but don't go round giving people false hope!0 -
Sometimes I read things that make me say "what the hell".
First of all, waiting to run a "cycle" until you max out naturally is dumb. If you run a "cycle", meaning you take the drugs, then you stop, after you've reached your genetic max (which takes ~8 years of training/dieting or so I've read) you will flat out lose any gains you made while on cycle. It's the same thing as being drunk, once you remove the alcohol, you sober up. So unless you plan on blasting and cruising once you hit your max, there's no point.
Running a PH/DS/AAS allows you simply to train harder, longer, or more frequently. In 6 weeks you can get 6 months of "work" done, providing diet is on point as well as you're training. Regardless of how flawless what you do is, you're going to lose some of it. The upside, is that you can get closer to your genetic max in less time. And for 99% of the people training in gyms, who aren't sponsored to be bodybuilders, there's this thing called life, work, and family that will always prevent you from "maxing out" naturally. Unless your entire day revolves around nutrition and training, you'll never "max out".
Second of all, I wish people would stop crediting anabolics for the physique SOME users own. Strongman competitors run the same, often times heavier cycles than pro bodybuilders, yet they have absolutely no physique. Physique is earned through hard, methodical work in the gym, hard methodical work in the kitchen, and plenty of rest. Drugs may enhance what you already have, but your average joe running a cycle of test e and dianabol will not suddenly look like Phil Heath. Either you do the work to get the body, or you don't and you won't.0 -
Amen to the above post. most people don't really uderstand what al;l goes into it. AAS is only about 30% of the equation, the majority is diet and the rest is training. Ignorance leads people to beleive you just run a cycle and BAM your big....well try it and see what happens. Nothing will happen because diet is the key to success wether you use AAS or not. Like anything else in this world you can abuse anything, but done the right way it actually has health benefits. Negative side effects have been overhyped throughout the years, more people die falling off ladders every year than AAS....should we ban ladders?0
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more people die falling off ladders every year than AAS....should we ban ladders?
People need ladders to reach things. The general (healthy) public does not "need" steroids, they just want them.0 -
more people die falling off ladders every year than AAS....should we ban ladders?
People need ladders to reach things. The general (healthy) public does not "need" steroids, they just want them.
So you're saying because there is not a "need" those who "want" should be stopped? Nobody "needs" to work out at all, let's just go close the doors on all the gyms.0 -
Nice strawman argument. Not biting0
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Nice strawman argument. Not biting
Just saying, where's the anti stance on anabolics rooted?0 -
Just saying, where's the anti stance on anabolics rooted?
The majority of the people against anabolics aren't athletes.
They're people who:
1. Don't understand steroids
2. Watch sports on tv and think steroids ruin the sport, again, they don't understand that a large portion of their favorite athletes have used or are currently using.
3. Are lazy people who want to discredit other peoples achievements by saying they cheated and used steroids.
I come into contact with all of those people pretty often.0 -
Just saying, where's the anti stance on anabolics rooted?
The majority of the people against anabolics aren't athletes.
They're people who:
1. Don't understand steroids
2. Watch sports on tv and think steroids ruin the sport, again, they don't understand that a large portion of their favorite athletes have used or are currently using.
3. Are lazy people who want to discredit other peoples achievements by saying they cheated and used steroids.
I come into contact with all of those people pretty often.
Agreed. The media has put out so much misinformation it's sickening. Watching the US Senate/Congressional hearings on steroids was possibly the most sorry display of stupid ever lol.0 -
Just saying, where's the anti stance on anabolics rooted?
The majority of the people against anabolics aren't athletes.
They're people who:
1. Don't understand steroids
2. Watch sports on tv and think steroids ruin the sport, again, they don't understand that a large portion of their favorite athletes have used or are currently using.
3. Are lazy people who want to discredit other peoples achievements by saying they cheated and used steroids.
I come into contact with all of those people pretty often.
Totally agree. I have never used but I spent 2 years educating myself before deciding not to. I have NOTHING against anyone who decides to use them. On one hand I don't think they should be legalized in theory because there are risks and to get the desired effect that MOST people are after we are talking about abusive levels AS. On the other hand I'm a proponent of legalizing certain recreational drugs because I feel that is a lost war and we might as well tax the shyt out of it. So really what's the difference right? I don't know... my main beef is with people who abuse their bodies and then we the public end up footing the bill when they end up in hospital.0 -
When I first started lifting at 19, I was enamored with all the meatheads who were on gear and their physiques. I was encouraged to take them, but problem was I had no money. As the years passed, the less and less I desired to add gear to my regimen. So to this very day, I am still a natural.
But I have been slowly declining in strength, yet I still haven't lost much in physique at all. There may be a time in the future when I considered gear seriously again, but as of now, I'm content with the fact that I'll never be as strong as I previously was without enhancement.
That said, if people want to use gear, I say let 'em.
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