Patterns emerging for hunger, satiety, energy and fatigue

YepLilly

Interesting!

I've gone through 1, 2, 3, and 4! I feel very active (and still hungry). Not sure if I've reached 5 (I was tired for a while but I'm sure it was related to something else).

quie618

Today is day 3 and I'm definitely over the hump of feeling overly full.

CinJay

I think I'm going through #5 now, end of week 2... I just took a "nap" and woke up 3 hours later! Unusual for me... Right off the bat I experienced the ravenous hunger when I upped my cals, even at the end of the day and I could just eat, eat, eat! I'm not as "hungry" anymore, my body must be adjusting (hopefully)... I've also upped my water intake to about 3 litres a day (12 cups) and that helps with the hunger.

Also since I'm fairly new at this, I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced a loss right away (for me I lost 2.6 lbs the first week) and then gain (gained 2.0 the second week)? After eating what MFP "told me to" (at 195 lbs I was eating 1470 plus exercise cals) and plateauing at 195 for several weeks, I decided to try EM2WL and see where this takes me. I'm scared because all my life I'm told to eat less not more, taught that food is "the enemy" and that's how I got fat, etc... I'm sure I'm not alone in this! It doesn't help that when I set my new goals in MFP, it tells me that I'm going to gain 0.4 lbs a week!! :noway: Anyway, I'm not sure if I'm doing it right or if what I'm experiencing is normal... here are my stats, any input is welcome! Feel free to message or add me as well

SW: 207.4
CW: 195-ish (fluctuates daily!)
GW: a healthy 155-160
H: 5'7"
Age: 41

TDEE: 2510
BMR: 1620
Cut: 2133 (TDEE - 15%)
I workout 4-5 days a week for minimum 30 (treadmill w/ incline intervals; Jillian Michaels DVD's, exercise bike, other DVD's and stability ball) I am going to start lifting as soon as I figure out how to do it properly

knowak82

BAM! I think I'm in the thick of #5 right now. Going on about a week of feeling pretty tired and just generally lazy. I have been going to bed a little later than usual the past few weeks, but I don't think that's why I'm feeling the way I do right now. I could literally put my head down on my desk and PASS OUT! :yawn:

Hopefully this will pass soon and I will be out of my rut and back on track! :ohwell:

littlepinkhearts

Those findings are also very similar to what was discovered during the Minnesota Experiment. It was a study where the men ate under BMR for an extended period of time, went into starvation mode, and then were documented throughout their refeed process as they rebuilt their metabolism. They had to OVER eat for an extended period of time (months) before their body stabilized.

I always try to encourage all EM2WL members to read this, to really understand the process, and why I recommend doing metabolism resets, but one of the last paragraphs was especially important.

an excerpt from the end (which is pretty much picking up at stage 2 mentioned above, though stage 1 was documented as well):

"Upon returning to their normal eating habits, the men seemed to have out of control eating, feeling like they could never get enough. It took many of them five months or more before things finally begin to level out (metabolism/energy levels) and they started to regain normalcy to their eating (though some continued to have an eating disorder frame of mind when it came to the food, for even longer). Strength levels took more than three months to return to normal. The studies found that the men needed to over eat in order for this rehabilitation to take place, because the body had been in such short supply of nutrients needed, it essentially needed an "over-dose" for months, in order to get it back to normal. In lieu of the over eating then men had to gain 10% more than their original weight back, but the weight came back in different proportions. The regained weight was mostly fat, and their lean body mass recovered at an extremely slower pace. With unlimited food and unrestricted eating, their weights plateaued and finally, about 9 months later, most had naturally returned to their initial ("healthy") weights without trying.


Dr Keys (who performed the study) concluded this regarding why the "over-eating" was a necessary evil in BMR rehabilitation:


"Our experiments have shown that in an adult man, no appreciable rehabilitation can take place on a diet of 2,000 calories a day. The proper level is more like 4,000 kcal daily for some months. The character of the rehabilitation diet is important also, but unless calories are abundant, then extra proteins, vitamins and minerals are of little value."



So essentially, these men had to eat double the amount of food to make up for the newly deemed "starvation mode" that they'd just subjected their bodies to. And note that they needed FOOD, supplementation alone, without the extra calories, was not enough to rebuild their BMR. "


As I said before, I encourage all to read that post, in its entirety...
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/31prvrbs/view/the-starvation-experiment-208077



~Kiki

Wowww I just wanna thank you so much for postiing this and the link to the starvation experiment. I'm still reading it but it's just sooooo informative and interesting. Thanks so much!!!!:flowerforyou:

quie618

When will I stop wanting to eat everything in site?! Although not looking forward to stage 5.

JadeRabbit08

When will I stop wanting to eat everything in site?! Although not looking forward to stage 5.

Not everyone reports tiredness and I am still giving it some thought. I went straight to 15% TDEE and didnt start with a reset when I upped. So maybe its just the non reset people ? Its one of those things that people mention if they are tired but dont tend to post that they didnt go through a stage of tiredness if you get what I mean.

jamk1446

Okay this MAY be off topic BUT it's worth thinking about. Do any of you ladies have Endometriosis? I have a VERY severe case. The past year I have been close to pain free b/c I cut out soy completely and most wheat and most dairy out of my diet. WELLLLL, I have been exhausted for the past 2 weeks and THOUGHT I was experiencing number 5. BUT, I have also been in a lot of pain throughout the past few weeks, too. Yesterday I limited my wheat (only brown rice) and only dairy I had was 1 c in my shakeology and 2/3 c cottage cheese. My pain wasn't AS bad and I feel like I have a bit more energy today. ? Just my observations. I know upping cals is affecting my hormones, so this could also be the culprit. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who suffers from this awful disease.

GOTTA add, when My endo flares up, it drains me and I'm left pretty exhausted. I'm hoping I can get a handle on this soon.

I do. The first thing I discovered was that I can do some dairy as long as it is r-BST free, this was the most important piece for managing mine. Just switching to hormone-free dairy cut my pain down 80% within 3 months. After that, I cut grains except for rice and really reduced dairy (really more to resolve some other health issues but I think it's helped here too) and I'm fairly low carb overall, about 15-20% of calories. I take 800mg magnesium every day too. I really haven't had much in the way of pain or flare ups in a couple of years. I'm in week 12 of a metabolism reset and fortunately, I didn't experience any problems in regards to the endo. Hopefully yours stabilizes soon.