20 Tips to Mass Gains
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steroids? 5"9 208lbs and shredded...no other way
Not true, It's very Possible. Maybe not 3.6% BG but at least 6-8% BF at 5'9 or even 5'10 is very possible and has been done many times.0 -
Ha.. Broscience. Yes, I'm 6"4'/6'5".. I'm trying to dennis wolf my way into some amateur shows but it's tough as a tall guy.. Looks damn cool when a tall guy finally gets big though. I was 280lbs still showing abs last year. Cut to 230, now building close to 250lbs.. (for the sincere inquiries)
I'm a certified and insured trainer with a nice client base, this should lead whoever was mocking me teaching many of these basic bodybuilding guidelines to understand this is not a representation of my comprehensive knowledge or teaching. I said I agree with most and teach it as well. Be more concerned with you career, I do well for myself.
Cheers to little guys like "trojanbb" and guys who have been 35%bf their whole lives like "cessna784".. everyone is tough on the internet.
At barely 200lbs you are not a big guy unless you're 5'2'.. And then you're still 5'2"..
I just prepped my friend for a Chicago NPC show. He is 5'9' and weighed in at 208.. they gave him the 199 and under assuming he'd keep dropping water. Caliper test bf @ 3.6%. At my weight all my measurements are bigger than his, and you at 200lbs..
It's hard to show full muscle bellies at 6'5" but i'm trying! (and doing well so far) Many of these basic tips are valuable..
It's unfortunate there can't be more comradery in the bb world.. I guess ego. ?? Discussions are good, but not when it's just people talking ****. The only reason I talked about myself at all is bc of the old school sounding guy was talking like a power lifter. He was discrediting the OP without the correct perspective. Beyond scenarios like that I have no desire to bs about being bigger than anyone, so you guys can all pretend to be bigger than the 6'5" guy if it makes for better discussions.. ?? Let's keep it more friendly.
I just posted a picture of Vernon Davis and he is 6"3 250 lbs and looks twice as big as you. For the record, I competed before when I was 17, 20, 22 here in FL and the highest my bf has been 25 percent not 35. After marriage, and college there were better priorities for me that required my attention as well as raising a child. Other than that I stood next to guys who were 265 lbs at 6'5 in events with minimal water (if you ever been in an event then you'll know what I'm talking about) in their body and they looked way bigger. Either how right now I'm working my way down dropping 2 lbs a week that is non-water, thanks for the hating. As as you trying to downsize Trojan, he is working his way up and you don't need to hate. His size right now is perfect for building muscle and he is on his way up, guy has been gaining some solid muscle. Either how, you carry yourself like an idiot yet you expect these conversations to stay friendly.
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i did not know that was possible. can u tell me some names of natural bodybuilders at drug tested events came in at around 208 at around 5 ft 9. thx. i was under the impression that a shredded natural bodybuilder(5% bf) at 5 ft 9 couldnt be more than 185. thx in advancesteroids? 5"9 208lbs and shredded...no other way
Not true, It's very Possible. Maybe not 3.6% BG but at least 6-8% BF at 5'9 or even 5'10 is very possible and has been done many times.0 -
5"9 200 lbs I seen hundreds of football players who weight that much with low body fat and that I known to be natural.0
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Some people can push the limits of what everyone thinks is possible.. They are called genetic freaks. The guy i referenced is a freak and maintains a real 5%bf all year round, with or without hormone manipulation. We can make a new topic about freaks and personal stats if you guys want.. Let me know.
Cessna, pm me if you want any nutrition tips or anything, you may be able to learn something from an idiot.
If this keeps getting bb.com-like, I'll leave the message board. If you guys are here to discuss something we all love and maybe even be productive, i'm in.. I won't waste any more time with the **** measuring ****, however..
Good post OP, fail for not acknowledging me backing u up when the guy discredited your post tho..0 -
Some people can push the limits of what everyone thinks is possible.. They are called genetic freaks. The guy i referenced is a freak and maintains a real 5%bf all year round, with or without hormone manipulation. We can make a new topic about freaks and personal stats if you guys want.. Let me know.
Cessna, pm me if you want any nutrition tips or anything, you may be able to learn something from an idiot.
If this keeps getting bb.com-like, I'll leave the message board. If you guys are here to discuss something we all love and maybe even be productive, i'm in.. I won't waste any more time with the **** measuring ****, however..
Good post OP, fail for not acknowledging me backing u up when the guy discredited your post tho..
Well Pro BBers use a combination of Cytomel, clen, and other things that I would rather not discuss here to stay in the 5%-8% range. Even the biggest mass monster in the end are not genetically able to maintain a low bf physique like Frank Zane all year round. Ronny Coleman, and Jay Cutler look like pigs during the off season for example. Shawn Ray would stay lean all year round pretty much. Quite honestly, the hardest thing to do even when using Hormones is gaining solid muscle. Kudos to you for being able to look lean the way you do, as I'm sure that you don't need stimulants to get really low in body fat.
As far as your offer, thanks for the offer dude, you are not an idiot nor am I implying you are. Everything that I know personally is a blueprint of what has worked for me always but i'll keep it in mind. Next year will be a good year for me to get back to what I use to love doing. I am cleaning up this year first and I am eating clean as hell. Dropping 2 lbs a week consistently and it is not water since I lower my sodium before my weight in every week and drink crap loads of water.
Nice upper body, where is your back shot son? Back is what wins the shows almost 90 percent of the time lol. I'm not sure how long you competed but if you need help for pre-contest preparation then let me know, obviously you probably know what you are doing but I helped a few people in that aspect before.0 -
^^Gotta agree.
The bodybuilders who hold 5% bodyfat are able to do so by staying on a cycle.
I'm not saying your friend doesn't stay at the level year around, but he doesn't do it naturally.0 -
Some people can push the limits of what everyone thinks is possible.. They are called genetic freaks. The guy i referenced is a freak and maintains a real 5%bf all year round, with or without hormone manipulation. We can make a new topic about freaks and personal stats if you guys want.. Let me know.
Cessna, pm me if you want any nutrition tips or anything, you may be able to learn something from an idiot.
If this keeps getting bb.com-like, I'll leave the message board. If you guys are here to discuss something we all love and maybe even be productive, i'm in.. I won't waste any more time with the **** measuring ****, however..
Good post OP, fail for not acknowledging me backing u up when the guy discredited your post tho..
Well Pro BBers use a combination of Cytomel, clen, and other things that I would rather not discuss here to stay in the 5%-8% range. Even the biggest mass monster in the end are not genetically able to maintain a low bf physique like Frank Zane all year round. Ronny Coleman, and Jay Cutler look like pigs during the off season for example. Shawn Ray would stay lean all year round pretty much. Quite honestly, the hardest thing to do even when using Hormones is gaining solid muscle. Kudos to you for being able to look lean the way you do, as I'm sure that you don't need stimulants to get really low in body fat.
As far as your offer, thanks for the offer dude, you are not an idiot nor am I implying you are. Everything that I know personally is a blueprint of what has worked for me always but i'll keep it in mind. Next year will be a good year for me to get back to what I use to love doing. I am cleaning up this year first and I am eating clean as hell. Dropping 2 lbs a week consistently and it is not water since I lower my sodium before my weight in every week and drink crap loads of water.
Nice upper body, where is your back shot son? Back is what wins the shows almost 90 percent of the time lol. I'm not sure how long you competed but if you need help for pre-contest preparation then let me know, obviously you probably know what you are doing but I helped a few people in that aspect before.
And Shawn Ray was small. He looked huge, but he was 5'7" 215 in contest. Granted, he is very short, but there are PLENTY of short guys today who looking nothing like him and are 20+ lbs heavier.0 -
I have seen many fat bodybuilders in person. Ronnie Coleman fat look pretty horrendous. It wasn't because of all the weight but probably all that insulin abuse that made his gut really big. Shawn Ray for most of the year was pretty lean. His offseason weight was probably no more than 20 lbs his weight. Ronnie and Cutler are usually 60 lbs overweight in the offseason or something crazy like that. So anyways, my point is that some guys are able to naturally stay lean with no problems but the rest of the bodybuilders to stay down in a really low percentage use a really nice cocktail. Heck they eat like pigs while on T3 and still lose fat. Some other bodybuilders use a more deadly fat loss aid that is found in explosives and has been the cause of death of many bodybuilders :sad: .
I included a picture of Lee Priest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3GB0zkU5Kw&feature=endscreen They both look really lean right?
This is a job for these guys so they don't have a problem cutting down weight obviously.0 -
^^You wouldn't think his chest was that big when you see him at his offseason weight.
Amazing what an illusion the leanness creates.0 -
^^You wouldn't think his chest was that big when you see him at his offseason weight.
Amazing what an illusion the leanness creates.
Wouldn't say an illusion but the purpose of the off-season is to add as many pounds of muscle as you can. Then take 12 weeks to lean out or depending on when the show is. So in theory if you do everything properly and take the proper stimulants then you can get lean really quickly. The gut is usually associated with the Insulin they take usually, and contrary to believe, it is not directly caused by HGH. Lee Priest is usually the leanest of the bodybuilders you would see during a contest but look at him in that picture hehe. I don't think I seen people as lean as him in the floor. Ronnie Coleman at around 1999-2003 was the best physique I ever seen at the time. Then his gut got worse over time.0 -
I like the posts cessna, and thanks for the compliments. I am running 0 stimulants outside of caffeine.. Also, my back is my best bodypart. It's my one part that I never have to stress about. I'll post some pics..
You're absolutely right with what you're saying about bb, but it applies more for the old days I think. I was at this past olympia, and the past few arnold classics. I have seen and talked to pros there and local shows.. (including Kai at the airport in Vegas, then he got distracted by pretzels) Because of the need for more photoshoots and guest appearances, we are seeing pros staying leaner off season now.. There really is no off season. Phil and Kai specifically this year are both still lean.. As well as Branch!
It is all about insulin though, that's why us guys that don't use it must be able to manipulate natural insulin levels well by keeping insulin sensitivity high like I do.
I will talk to u about show prep, I have worked with my fiance and friends a bit, but haven't competed yet myself. There is a NABBA show I may do 16 weeks from now. I'll PM you at some point.
Shawn Ray is a fantastic bodybuilder. Kai is my favorite of all time though. I think Kai is so uniquely athletic and gifted. BIG props to Phil for coming up so quickly though.. He was 31 when he took 1st last olympia!0 -
^^^^ Look at the new Jay Cutler. He had his surgery a while back, but he is staying LEAN this year! I havent seen any pics of him in 2 months though.0
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I like the posts cessna, and thanks for the compliments. I am running 0 stimulants outside of caffeine.. Also, my back is my best bodypart. It's my one part that I never have to stress about. I'll post some pics..
You're absolutely right with what you're saying about bb, but it applies more for the old days I think. I was at this past olympia, and the past few arnold classics. I have seen and talked to pros there and local shows.. (including Kai at the airport in Vegas, then he got distracted by pretzels) Because of the need for more photoshoots and guest appearances, we are seeing pros staying leaner off season now.. There really is no off season. Phil and Kai specifically this year are both still lean.. As well as Branch!
It is all about insulin though, that's why us guys that don't use it must be able to manipulate natural insulin levels well by keeping insulin sensitivity high like I do.
I will talk to u about show prep, I have worked with my fiance and friends a bit, but haven't competed yet myself. There is a NABBA show I may do 16 weeks from now. I'll PM you at some point.
Shawn Ray is a fantastic bodybuilder. Kai is my favorite of all time though. I think Kai is so uniquely athletic and gifted. BIG props to Phil for coming up so quickly though.. He was 31 when he took 1st last olympia!
Nabba is a great show, guys like Frank Zane made their career there. Frank Zane probably the best bodybuilder of all time in my opinion. Guy won multiple Mr. Universe (5), Multiple Mr America (3, beating Arnold in 68), Multiple Olympias (3 times, robbed in 76, 80). Reminds me where the days of BB landed. After Lee Haney it was all about Mass, insulin guts, and massive backs. Kai Green has an awesome back, and legs. Maybe his chest is preventing him from placing first. Phil Hearth right now is pretty much the complete package. Phil just has everything going for him. His Deltoids are just amazing.0
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