On-line dating favors men
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The multiple thing is the bit that irks me the most, I couldn't be bothered let alone wanting to actually double or triple up on the dates. I'd rather be spending the time getting to know the one person than splitting up so much, energy, time and money to date 3 ladies.
I think the "shortest and easiest" route to sex becomes calling your FWB then...
Fwb are easy to find, someone to date and be in a loving relationship is harder.
FWB: A lot less hassle and juggling with more focus on sex.0 -
Seriously, this has got to be a joke. Online dating favors women.
First off, an average looking woman or better is sitting on an inbox with hundreds of messages. Most men have to send about 10 messages out to receive one response. And not every response leads to a date. On average, I think most men have to send around 20 messages just to get one date. And a guy has to weed through many profiles just to send one message.
Most sites have more men than women.
Online favors women. The end.
Wow, my ego has admittedly been a little fragile lately, but d@mn, I feel like I just took a beating with a wake up stick. I don't consider myself that far below average but clearly not getting any emails for a three weeks on Match tells me otherwise.
So maybe we revise the earlier statements.... online dating favors players, average and above women (and men)... and the rest of us need to not waste our time and money?! As hard as it is to hear, I guess I'm starting to see the reality of it. Ugh, well, I'd rather know that now than waste another $50!0 -
4 - Men get serious when the time is right in their lives. Timing is everything. Men don't typically meet a woman and think: she's the one, just based on her wonderful features. Until men hit a point in their lives when they are ready to get serious, they prefer to maximize their sexual partners at minimal effort. Ergo, on-line dating is perfect for this.
However, this point is fairly true. A friend and I always discuss the taxi theory from Sex and the City because I've known it to be true on multiple occasions:
"Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up, boom! they marry."
I would still disagree and expect it is just how men and women are different.
Most ladies here confess to dreaming of marriage in general all their lives and some say as soon as they are asked out they are fantasizing about it with the guy.
Men simply for the most part don`t do that...we don`t think about marriage until a person we want to marry enters our lives and that could be at any given age or time.
I really don`t think there is a marriage on/off switch as suggested here.
"it works like this:
meet interesting woman --> decide it's time to get married --> marriage
But rather, this:
decide it's time to get married --> meet interesting woman --> marriage"
And consider it "noticeable"...
Does that mean women do the following then?
meet interesting man --> decide it's time to get married --> marriage
(I kind of agree and disagree with this. I think this is true at an early age, when women still "buy before they think", before their first failed marriage. Ultimately, I think men are more mature in relationships, because ultimately women end up acting like men at the later stages of their life! AH!)
So anyway, how could it possibly NOT go wrong for our woman if she is not at a stage in her life when she wants to get serious?!
(This is what I was asking, does that mean women aren't ready to be serious when they get married? And in this case, who cares if the marriage fails...)
I don't understand why all women are suddenly jumping in saying "OMG Yes all the guy are doing this!". Well isn't it how it should be anyway? Why do something when you're not ready to do it, to fail?0 -
Seriously, this has got to be a joke. Online dating favors women.
First off, an average looking woman or better is sitting on an inbox with hundreds of messages. Most men have to send about 10 messages out to receive one response. And not every response leads to a date. On average, I think most men have to send around 20 messages just to get one date. And a guy has to weed through many profiles just to send one message.
Most sites have more men than women.
Online favors women. The end.
Wow, my ego has admittedly been a little fragile lately, but d@mn, I feel like I just took a beating with a wake up stick. I don't consider myself that far below average but clearly not getting any emails for a three weeks on Match tells me otherwise.
So maybe we revise the earlier statements.... online dating favors players, average and above women (and men)... and the rest of us need to not waste our time and money?! As hard as it is to hear, I guess I'm starting to see the reality of it. Ugh, well, I'd rather know that now than waste another $50!
Keep in mind too location,as I said a few weeks ago a Match search of women 35-48 within 25 miles of my zipcode turned up 4 pages with the last page only having 3 women on it.
The same around a city may turn up 70 pages.0 -
Generally speaking I'm not sure how I feel about this thread yet... hmmm4 - Men get serious when the time is right in their lives. Timing is everything. Men don't typically meet a woman and think: she's the one, just based on her wonderful features. Until men hit a point in their lives when they are ready to get serious, they prefer to maximize their sexual partners at minimal effort. Ergo, on-line dating is perfect for this.
However, this point is fairly true. A friend and I always discuss the taxi theory from Sex and the City because I've known it to be true on multiple occasions:
"Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up, boom! they marry."
this makes complete and total sense! men have a switch. sorry carl, u are the exception to many generalizations about men lol
I'm against the switch theory. As someone who you could say has hit that stage... it isn't an overnight deal. In fact about 3 years ago my brother got married and it all started from there, suddenly a few more friends got married and it went like dominos. Some married the wrong person, others had been dating people for years and it suddenly felt right. However the settling down bug didn't hit me until my brother had a kid a little more than a year ago. Suddenly I saw a diff. slice of life than going out and drinking, sports, and dating and I liked what I saw, and I feel ready for that. I agree with Carl that we don't think about marriage like women, where it's a dream since childhood. But it's a little more complex than waking up one day and picking the first gal we see.0 -
Keep in mind too location,as I said a few weeks ago a Match search of women 35-48 within 25 miles of my zipcode turned up 4 pages with the last page only having 3 women on it.
The same around a city may turn up 70 pages.
Agreed completely, Carl, but I can't use that reason for myself.... I live 15 minutes north of metro Charlotte :grumble:
I searched my area for women my age to "scope out the competition". I can be honest enough to say that while I know I'm awesome... there are far too many hot women in my age range in my area for me to get any traffic. I'm sure those 30-40 women within the 35-40 age range I checked get a TON of emails, but I can't expect it. Sucks, but it's reality!
I really do think you have to fit a certain specific profile to be successful online. The majority of the guys I get messaged from are stretching UP to message me... so 300 lbs and sitting on the couch doing nothing about it. Just not a good fit and too easy for me to go back to bad habits rather than expecting them to join in my activities. My subscription will be up in 5 more weeks... I'm ending the torture honestly. Not something I can be successful with unfortunately :sad:0 -
Generally speaking I'm not sure how I feel about this thread yet... hmmm4 - Men get serious when the time is right in their lives. Timing is everything. Men don't typically meet a woman and think: she's the one, just based on her wonderful features. Until men hit a point in their lives when they are ready to get serious, they prefer to maximize their sexual partners at minimal effort. Ergo, on-line dating is perfect for this.
However, this point is fairly true. A friend and I always discuss the taxi theory from Sex and the City because I've known it to be true on multiple occasions:
"Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up, boom! they marry."
this makes complete and total sense! men have a switch. sorry carl, u are the exception to many generalizations about men lol
I'm against the switch theory. As someone who you could say has hit that stage... it isn't an overnight deal. In fact about 3 years ago my brother got married and it all started from there, suddenly a few more friends got married and it went like dominos. Some married the wrong person, others had been dating people for years and it suddenly felt right. However the settling down bug didn't hit me until my brother had a kid a little more than a year ago. Suddenly I saw a diff. slice of life than going out and drinking, sports, and dating and I liked what I saw, and I feel ready for that. I agree with Carl that we don't think about marriage like women, where it's a dream since childhood. But it's a little more complex than waking up one day and picking the first gal we see.
Many guys (including you it seems) may have a dimmer switch instead of a flip switch, but it's still the same concept. You weren't ready before, but now you are (or closer to ready at least) if you find the right person.0 -
Generally speaking I'm not sure how I feel about this thread yet... hmmm4 - Men get serious when the time is right in their lives. Timing is everything. Men don't typically meet a woman and think: she's the one, just based on her wonderful features. Until men hit a point in their lives when they are ready to get serious, they prefer to maximize their sexual partners at minimal effort. Ergo, on-line dating is perfect for this.
However, this point is fairly true. A friend and I always discuss the taxi theory from Sex and the City because I've known it to be true on multiple occasions:
"Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up, boom! they marry."
this makes complete and total sense! men have a switch. sorry carl, u are the exception to many generalizations about men lol
I'm against the switch theory. As someone who you could say has hit that stage... it isn't an overnight deal. In fact about 3 years ago my brother got married and it all started from there, suddenly a few more friends got married and it went like dominos. Some married the wrong person, others had been dating people for years and it suddenly felt right. However the settling down bug didn't hit me until my brother had a kid a little more than a year ago. Suddenly I saw a diff. slice of life than going out and drinking, sports, and dating and I liked what I saw, and I feel ready for that. I agree with Carl that we don't think about marriage like women, where it's a dream since childhood. But it's a little more complex than waking up one day and picking the first gal we see.
Many guys (including you it seems) may have a dimmer switch instead of a flip switch, but it's still the same concept. You weren't ready before, but now you are (or closer to ready at least) if you find the right person.
haha, well maybe... I like to think you ladies would give us a bit more credit than being simpletons!! I think age has a lot to do with it too, there is a reason 25-35 seems to be the big marriage age range.0 -
Keep in mind too location,as I said a few weeks ago a Match search of women 35-48 within 25 miles of my zipcode turned up 4 pages with the last page only having 3 women on it.
The same around a city may turn up 70 pages.
Agreed completely, Carl, but I can't use that reason for myself.... I live 15 minutes north of metro Charlotte :grumble:
I searched my area for women my age to "scope out the competition". I can be honest enough to say that while I know I'm awesome... there are far too many hot women in my age range in my area for me to get any traffic. I'm sure those 30-40 women within the 35-40 age range I checked get a TON of emails, but I can't expect it. Sucks, but it's reality!
I really do think you have to fit a certain specific profile to be successful online. The majority of the guys I get messaged from are stretching UP to message me... so 300 lbs and sitting on the couch doing nothing about it. Just not a good fit and too easy for me to go back to bad habits rather than expecting them to join in my activities. My subscription will be up in 5 more weeks... I'm ending the torture honestly. Not something I can be successful with unfortunately :sad:
NC, I hate to see you be so hard on yourself. Personally, I don't think any of the pay dating sites are worth it and for some reason people assume that because they are paying they should be more picky and wait for someone to come to them (as a general rule). I think you've tried PoF, but stick to it. I've been on there since April and just recently things have picked up for me. It's all about timing and numbers, so especially if it's free, just keep it going. And maybe think about re-doing your profile if that is a concern? :flowerforyou:0 -
Generally speaking I'm not sure how I feel about this thread yet... hmmm4 - Men get serious when the time is right in their lives. Timing is everything. Men don't typically meet a woman and think: she's the one, just based on her wonderful features. Until men hit a point in their lives when they are ready to get serious, they prefer to maximize their sexual partners at minimal effort. Ergo, on-line dating is perfect for this.
However, this point is fairly true. A friend and I always discuss the taxi theory from Sex and the City because I've known it to be true on multiple occasions:
"Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up, boom! they marry."
this makes complete and total sense! men have a switch. sorry carl, u are the exception to many generalizations about men lol
I'm against the switch theory. As someone who you could say has hit that stage... it isn't an overnight deal. In fact about 3 years ago my brother got married and it all started from there, suddenly a few more friends got married and it went like dominos. Some married the wrong person, others had been dating people for years and it suddenly felt right. However the settling down bug didn't hit me until my brother had a kid a little more than a year ago. Suddenly I saw a diff. slice of life than going out and drinking, sports, and dating and I liked what I saw, and I feel ready for that. I agree with Carl that we don't think about marriage like women, where it's a dream since childhood. But it's a little more complex than waking up one day and picking the first gal we see.
Many guys (including you it seems) may have a dimmer switch instead of a flip switch, but it's still the same concept. You weren't ready before, but now you are (or closer to ready at least) if you find the right person.
haha, well maybe... I like to think you ladies would give us a bit more credit than being simpletons!! I think age has a lot to do with it too, there is a reason 25-35 seems to be the big marriage age range.
I definitely don't think it means men are simpletons at all. It's just basic biology that there comes a point when the switch goes. We've all agreed on other threads that women may have more say in the dating pool, but guys usually determine where the relationship goes. This is just a variation on that.0 -
NC, I hate to see you be so hard on yourself. Personally, I don't think any of the pay dating sites are worth it and for some reason people assume that because they are paying they should be more picky and wait for someone to come to them (as a general rule). I think you've tried PoF, but stick to it. I've been on there since April and just recently things have picked up for me. It's all about timing and numbers, so especially if it's free, just keep it going. And maybe think about re-doing your profile if that is a concern? :flowerforyou:
I really appreciate that PJ! I don't necessarily think of it as being hard on myself though. We've talked on these threads a lot about needing to be honest about who is attainable for you and vice versa. I actually think my personal odds go down online because in person, I am a bubbly, sarcastic, fun, low maintenance woman to hang around, but online, all people go with looks first and the fact that my profiles say "Plus a few pounds" disqualifies me from many men's searches. It's the reality we must all admit! The fact that I could find so many hot women in my age range within a 15 mile radius means they get the attention... they may be CRAZY?! but they'll get attention first.
I just don't think online dating is for everyone! Doesn't mean it can't work for everyone, but it depends on your standards and patience...I'm not sure which one of mine need adjusted (probably both) but right now, it's not matching up!0 -
Keep in mind too location,as I said a few weeks ago a Match search of women 35-48 within 25 miles of my zipcode turned up 4 pages with the last page only having 3 women on it.
The same around a city may turn up 70 pages.
Agreed completely, Carl, but I can't use that reason for myself.... I live 15 minutes north of metro Charlotte :grumble:
I searched my area for women my age to "scope out the competition". I can be honest enough to say that while I know I'm awesome... there are far too many hot women in my age range in my area for me to get any traffic. I'm sure those 30-40 women within the 35-40 age range I checked get a TON of emails, but I can't expect it. Sucks, but it's reality!
I really do think you have to fit a certain specific profile to be successful online. The majority of the guys I get messaged from are stretching UP to message me... so 300 lbs and sitting on the couch doing nothing about it. Just not a good fit and too easy for me to go back to bad habits rather than expecting them to join in my activities. My subscription will be up in 5 more weeks... I'm ending the torture honestly. Not something I can be successful with unfortunately :sad:
Maybe yes,maybe no but so what,at this point it has been a growing process for you so take all you have gained as far as being able to reach out,not take rejection as the end of you etc and build on it.
In the meantime,try to modify your profile,maybe change up pictures,what have you.
True story...a year or more ago when I had a subscription on Match there was a lady that was appealing and nearby.
I think I did the stupid "wink" thing or maybe sent a short message.
Got no response and then didn`t see her on there after that
One day was modifying my search and accidentally changed it to woman seeking woman when I clicked the wrong place and surprise surprise guess who was there.
Most guys don`t have that kind of ability.:laugh:
Obviously she had not changed but wanted to be able to lurk while not be searched easily.0 -
NC, I hate to see you be so hard on yourself.
I actually think my personal odds go down online because in person, I am a bubbly, sarcastic, fun, low maintenance woman to hang around, but online, all people go with looks first and the fact that my profiles say "Plus a few pounds" disqualifies me from many men's searches.
I hate to hear you being so hard on yourself too!!!
I've seen your profile, and you are NOTHING like what guys expect they're gonna see when you check "plus a few pounds." "Plus a few pounds" on a dating site pretty much means 300lbs sitting on the couch. That's not you!! You might feel like you look too heavy to select "average" but from what I've seen of your pictures, I think you really ARE in online dating body type. Since you're gonna stop when your subscription runs out anyway, would you try un-checking that and selecting "average?"
I think you're selling yourself short! You have a lot to offer! Walk, think, act like it! When a great guy comes along, you don't want him to observe low confidence... cuz he'll keep on walking. Let that bubbly personality shine through in your photos and your writing.
Blessings!
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NC,
I agree with both Carl & Janie. Try changing some of your parameters when you search (age, height, religion, ethnicity, etc). And instead of "plus a few pounds" is there a "curvy" option, it just sounds much nicer? There's being realistic and then there's just pigeonholing yourself.0 -
Generally speaking I'm not sure how I feel about this thread yet... hmmm4 - Men get serious when the time is right in their lives. Timing is everything. Men don't typically meet a woman and think: she's the one, just based on her wonderful features. Until men hit a point in their lives when they are ready to get serious, they prefer to maximize their sexual partners at minimal effort. Ergo, on-line dating is perfect for this.
However, this point is fairly true. A friend and I always discuss the taxi theory from Sex and the City because I've known it to be true on multiple occasions:
"Men are like cabs. When they're ready to get married, they turn their light on. The next woman they pick up, boom! they marry."
this makes complete and total sense! men have a switch. sorry carl, u are the exception to many generalizations about men lol
I'm against the switch theory. As someone who you could say has hit that stage... it isn't an overnight deal. In fact about 3 years ago my brother got married and it all started from there, suddenly a few more friends got married and it went like dominos. Some married the wrong person, others had been dating people for years and it suddenly felt right. However the settling down bug didn't hit me until my brother had a kid a little more than a year ago. Suddenly I saw a diff. slice of life than going out and drinking, sports, and dating and I liked what I saw, and I feel ready for that. I agree with Carl that we don't think about marriage like women, where it's a dream since childhood. But it's a little more complex than waking up one day and picking the first gal we see.0 -
And instead of "plus a few pounds" is there a "curvy" option, it just sounds much nicer?
I thought "Curvy" meant the same thing online... VERY overweight...? Guys please chime in!0 -
And instead of "plus a few pounds" is there a "curvy" option, it just sounds much nicer?
I thought "Curvy" meant the same thing online... VERY overweight...? Guys please chime in!
I take it to mean full figured,not obese.0 -
Haha, I appreciate all the suggestions. Not meaning to hijack a thread !! I've had far too many friends (smaller than myself) with horror stories of meeting men online who told them they weren't average for me to have enough confidence to put average. Jerks for sure, but it is the reality of who's online! Let's be honest that anything above average, gets filtered out... curvy or otherwise.
It's only felt like work, and I found myself willing to settle for less than I deserve. That's not who I want to be... so I have to ask myself is it worth it?! I was very happy, active, always learning, and travelling, etc...without all this effort so why the need to change it, other than perhaps being a powder keg of hormones, haha?!
Online dating really does favor players and hot people. I'm still a little too trusting to be out there because I will get played (again). More power to those out there willing to dig through the muck to find the gems at the bottom. I have no doubt they are out there... at this point, I'm willing to settle for puppy kisses only :ohwell:0 -
Haha, I appreciate all the suggestions. Not meaning to hijack a thread !! I've had far too many friends (smaller than myself) with horror stories of meeting men online who told them they weren't average for me to have enough confidence to put average. Jerks for sure, but it is the reality of who's online! Let's be honest that anything above average, gets filtered out... curvy or otherwise.
I put average on all of my profiles and make sure I have a few full body shots. I've never had anyone complain or tell me that I'm too fat for them. I really have no idea where some of these jerks come from that people talk about. I'm pretty sure I would punch a guy in the face if he actually came out and told me I was fat :laugh:0 -
And instead of "plus a few pounds" is there a "curvy" option, it just sounds much nicer?
I thought "Curvy" meant the same thing online... VERY overweight...? Guys please chime in!
Kim Kardashian or Beyonce, J-lo, they are what I would think curvy means.0 -
I put average on all of my profiles and make sure I have a few full body shots. I've never had anyone complain or tell me that I'm too fat for them. I really have no idea where some of these jerks come from that people talk about. I'm pretty sure I would punch a guy in the face if he actually came out and told me I was fat :laugh:
It's happened REPEATEDLY to my friends. I'm sure it goes through people's mind, but I'm stunned at how many times people actually say something. One guy told a friend (a full size smaller than me) that there was no way she was average and should have put plus a few pounds. Depending on my mood and confidence, I'd either punch him or run crying.0 -
I put average on all of my profiles and make sure I have a few full body shots. I've never had anyone complain or tell me that I'm too fat for them.
I HAVE had guys say I'm too fat or look WAY bigger than my pix, but I have enough full body shots (and even warn them I'm hourglass but built like a linebacker) so that's THEIR problem. I'm awesome. And so are you NC!0 -
I put average on all of my profiles and make sure I have a few full body shots. I've never had anyone complain or tell me that I'm too fat for them. I really have no idea where some of these jerks come from that people talk about. I'm pretty sure I would punch a guy in the face if he actually came out and told me I was fat :laugh:
It's happened REPEATEDLY to my friends. I'm sure it goes through people's mind, but I'm stunned at how many times people actually say something. One guy told a friend (a full size smaller than me) that there was no way she was average and should have put plus a few pounds. Depending on my mood and confidence, I'd either punch him or run crying.
Well, then those guys are *kitten*. There is absolutely no excuse to be that rude to someone. I know how you feel though. I would punch him then go home crying :laugh:
Still, we really can't let the jerks of the world hold us back. This is super hard IMO, but I've been starting to realize that my worth does not come from being in a relationship or how "valuable" sexually I am to men. It would be nice to have someone, but I've managed to survive almost 28 years without a guy. I think I'll be ok :flowerforyou:0 -
I thought "Curvy" meant the same thing online... VERY overweight...? Guys please chime in!
Once again, here's what female body type means to many men online, at least from my own experience and the experiences of many guys I have talked to about this process.
Thin = Usually thin, but no worse than average
Athletic = Either Athletic or Average
Average = More than likely overweight, but possibly average
Curvy= Significantly overweight
A few extra pounds = Obese, possibly morbidly obese.
Due to this guide, a lot of guys will go for just thin and athletic to assure themselves they are getting no worse than an average body type.0 -
You're right, they are a**holes (those that would say that, as Kate already said) ! BUT, I'm seriously not here to man-bash because I know that not all men think or act like that. I'm just finally admitting to myself that online isn't the way to go (for me) and that I'm not sure I'm willing to put myself out there for no purpose. I've led a very fun filled life on my own that just doesn't happen to put me around men that interest me or vice versa.
It's all good...my mother says it to me all the time, "Angie, not everyone is meant to be married. Some people are just independent enough that they don't need anyone else." I'm not sure if she's saying it to make me feel better or because she's given up on grandchilden, but either way, she's right!0 -
I thought "Curvy" meant the same thing online... VERY overweight...? Guys please chime in!
Once again, here's what female body type means to many men online, at least from my own experience and the experiences of many guys I have talked to about this process.
Thin = Usually thin, but no worse than average
Athletic = Either Athletic or Average
Average = More than likely overweight, but possibly average
Curvy= Significantly overweight
A few extra pounds = Obese, possibly morbidly obese.
Due to this guide, a lot of guys will go for just thin and athletic to assure themselves they are getting no worse than an average body type.
I guess I am really odd or out of sync because my definition automatically is that the words mean just what they say and if the picture doesn`t match then would just move on but never try to automatically assume they are disingenuous.
I have seen a few extra pounds mean just that to what the? but mostly folks are pretty honest.
Besides if they don`t have pictures then I would not pay attention to them nor would I expect them to me if I didn`t.0 -
Lol my comment was not aimed at all men. I was saying that men who would tell a woman she's fat are *kitten*.0
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Lol my comment was not aimed at all men. I was saying that men who would tell a woman she's fat are *kitten*.
I corrected my statement a bit to make sure everyone knew that's what we were both meaning, haha... no need to start another battle of the sexes :laugh:0 -
I guess I am really odd or out of sync because my definition automatically is that the words mean just what they say and if the picture doesn`t match then would just move on but never try to automatically assume they are disingenuous.
One of the downsides of online dating is here. Sometimes the online pictures don't match the words, the combination of online pics and words may not match the real life human being.0 -
I thought "Curvy" meant the same thing online... VERY overweight...? Guys please chime in!
Once again, here's what female body type means to many men online, at least from my own experience and the experiences of many guys I have talked to about this process.
Thin = Usually thin, but no worse than average
Athletic = Either Athletic or Average
Average = More than likely overweight, but possibly average
Curvy= Significantly overweight
A few extra pounds = Obese, possibly morbidly obese.
Due to this guide, a lot of guys will go for just thin and athletic to assure themselves they are getting no worse than an average body type.
I guess I am really odd or out of sync because my definition automatically is that the words mean just what they say and if the picture doesn`t match then would just move on but never try to automatically assume they are disingenuous.
I have seen a few extra pounds mean just that to what the? but mostly folks are pretty honest.
Besides if they don`t have pictures then I would not pay attention to them nor would I expect them to me if I didn`t.
Hi Carl, I'm glad you take the words at face value, but my brief experience online has been more in line with the list posted above. A lot of men that would be lifestyle-appropriate for women on this board won't even LOOK at someone curvy or a few extra pounds. AND a lot of people have old pictures, so you can't always trust that. I just called a guy out the other day for having a picture date-stamped 2008.
FWIW, before I knew about those "translations," I used to put "athletic" since I'm VERY athletic and have a great shape. That's when I used to get most of the "you're so fat" comments. I don't get those as much now that I just put "average."0
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